Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@twithersAP: Joe Thomas says #Browns players support Pettine's decision to bench Manziel.
@RuiterWrongFAN: "The QB position is not the reason we're 2-8" - Brian Hartline
Let's not forget this. McCown played well. And is under contract for next year.
Zombo
--If we trade Manziel and he wins three super bowls in Dallas, please come back to haunt me ... otherwise ... what am I missing here?
Zombo said:
Let's not forget this. McCown played well. And is under contract for next year.
Zombo
--If we trade Manziel and he wins three super bowls in Dallas, please come back to haunt me ... otherwise ... what am I missing here?
Does that quote not seem like more of an indictment on our coaching staff?
To me it sounds like "who the fuck cares who starts, that's not the reason we're losing".
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I'll make this brief as the issue is so black and white its not even funny. Johnny is named the starter but with certain conditions.
-Bury yourself completely in the playbook and practice. Even on days off, go work on your drop backs and release, get in a good workout.
Johnny has had ONE good game in his career. He has a chance to build upon that. Go look up the twitters for Bortles, Winston, Mariota. Young QB's.
You won't find that they've flown half way across the country to go clubbing.
-Stay away from booze because you're a recovering addict plus you can't tell me alcohol in the season is good for ANY athlete. For all the partying Gronk does you don't hear much about it during the season or post season.
-Don't draw media attention to yourself in a negative light and stay focused.
Johnny did NOT adhere to the ground rules established by Pettine and I presume Farmer as well. Therefore if he cannot hold to his word off the field, he simply won't play on the field. QB is held to a higher standard in this league. You're the most important piece on the field, you have the most responsibility and weight to carry. Dedication to your craft for 16 weeks straight is a MUST. Especially when you're a young QB and you've experienced the setbacks and limitations Manziel has and has brought upon himself.
It's that fucking simple. In our world, the world of the every day working man, there is nothing wrong with what Johnny did. I agree. But Johnny isn't the every day working man. He's an NFL QB. It's not like a normal 'job' because it isn't a 'job'. Sure you'll hear the phrase " We all have a job to do" thrown around often, but these players and we as fans know damn well that being a professional athlete is the furthest thing from a typical career.
Anyone defending Johnny 'he did nothing wrong'... "but, but but OTHER guys etc etc' ' Look what xx player did' - get bent. That's a typical deflection and has NOTHING to do with Manziel. But have a happy Thanksgiving while you're at it.
I'll make this brief as the issue is so black and white its not even funny. Johnny is named the starter but with certain conditions.
-Bury yourself completely in the playbook and practice. Even on days off, go work on your drop backs and release, get in a good workout.
Johnny has had ONE good game in his career. He has a chance to build upon that. Go look up the twitters for Bortles, Winston, Mariota. Young QB's.
You won't find that they've flown half way across the country to go clubbing.
-Stay away from booze because you're a recovering addict plus you can't tell me alcohol in the season is good for ANY athlete. For all the partying Gronk does you don't hear much about it during the season or post season.
-Don't draw media attention to yourself in a negative light and stay focused.
Johnny did NOT adhere to the ground rules established by Pettine and I presume Farmer as well. Therefore if he cannot hold to his word off the field, he simply won't play on the field. QB is held to a higher standard in this league. You're the most important piece on the field, you have the most responsibility and weight to carry. Dedication to your craft for 16 weeks straight is a MUST. Especially when you're a young QB and you've experienced the setbacks and limitations Manziel has and has brought upon himself.
It's that fucking simple. In our world, the world of the every day working man, there is nothing wrong with what Johnny did. I agree. But Johnny isn't the every day working man. He's an NFL QB. It's not like a normal 'job' because it isn't a 'job'. Sure you'll hear the phrase " We all have a job to do" thrown around often, but these players and we as fans know damn well that being a professional athlete is the furthest thing from a typical career.
Anyone defending Johnny 'he did nothing wrong'... "but, but but OTHER guys etc etc' ' Look what xx player did' - get bent. That's a typical deflection and has NOTHING to do with Manziel. But have a happy Thanksgiving while you're at it.
I wasn't aware that you were privy to the verbal agreement between the two parties.
We should have consulted with you all along.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Zombo said:
Let's not forget this. McCown played well. And is under contract for next year.
Zombo
--If we trade Manziel and he wins three super bowls in Dallas, please come back to haunt me ... otherwise ... what am I missing here?
Does that quote not seem like more of an indictment on our coaching staff?
To me it sounds like "who the fuck cares who starts, that's not the reason we're losing".
Does that quote not seem like more of an indictment on our coaching staff?
To me it sounds like "who the fuck cares who starts, that's not the reason we're losing".
Ok ...
Still OK with the Manziel benching.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Let's not forget this. McCown played well. And is under contract for next year.
Zombo
--If we trade Manziel and he wins three super bowls in Dallas, please come back to haunt me ... otherwise ... what am I missing here?
Does that quote not seem like more of an indictment on our coaching staff?
To me it sounds like "who the fuck cares who starts, that's not the reason we're losing".
Does that quote not seem like more of an indictment on our coaching staff?
To me it sounds like "who the fuck cares who starts, that's not the reason we're losing".
That's exactly what most of us have said all season long. The defense is the problem with this team....since..well...they can't seem to stop anyone. McCown was putting up good numbers and we were still losing every week. Johnny played a good game against pissburgh and we still got our asses beat.
It really doesn't matter who plays QB. The defense sucks.
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Does that quote not seem like more of an indictment on our coaching staff?
To me it sounds like "who the fuck cares who starts, that's not the reason we're losing".
That's exactly what most of us have said all season long. The defense is the problem with this team....since..well...they can't seem to stop anyone. McCown was putting up good numbers and we were still losing every week. Johnny played a good game against pissburgh and we still got our asses beat.
It really doesn't matter who plays QB. The defense sucks.
That's exactly what most of us have said all season long. The defense is the problem with this team....since..well...they can't seem to stop anyone. McCown was putting up good numbers and we were still losing every week. Johnny played a good game against pissburgh and we still got our asses beat.
It really doesn't matter who plays QB. The defense sucks.
. Because Pettine is a piece of shit garbage coach. He's stomping around enforcing lame rules to take the focus away from his dumpster fire defense and useless best friend DC.
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That's exactly what most of us have said all season long. The defense is the problem with this team....since..well...they can't seem to stop anyone. McCown was putting up good numbers and we were still losing every week. Johnny played a good game against pissburgh and we still got our asses beat.
It really doesn't matter who plays QB. The defense sucks.
. Because Pettine is a piece of shit garbage coach. He's stomping around enforcing lame rules to take the focus away from his dumpster fire defense and useless best friend DC.
. Because Pettine is a piece of shit garbage coach. He's stomping around enforcing lame rules to take the focus away from his dumpster fire defense and useless best friend DC.
Take a breath.
Pettine has 15 years experience coaching in the NFL. He has the support of his QB Coach, Offensive Coordinator, GM and Owner.
Manziel is a 22 year old addict.
Who do you really want to fix your wagon to?
Zombo
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I'll make this brief as the issue is so black and white its not even funny. Johnny is named the starter but with certain conditions.
-Bury yourself completely in the playbook and practice. Even on days off, go work on your drop backs and release, get in a good workout.
Johnny has had ONE good game in his career. He has a chance to build upon that. Go look up the twitters for Bortles, Winston, Mariota. Young QB's.
You won't find that they've flown half way across the country to go clubbing.
-Stay away from booze because you're a recovering addict plus you can't tell me alcohol in the season is good for ANY athlete. For all the partying Gronk does you don't hear much about it during the season or post season.
-Don't draw media attention to yourself in a negative light and stay focused.
Johnny did NOT adhere to the ground rules established by Pettine and I presume Farmer as well. Therefore if he cannot hold to his word off the field, he simply won't play on the field. QB is held to a higher standard in this league. You're the most important piece on the field, you have the most responsibility and weight to carry. Dedication to your craft for 16 weeks straight is a MUST. Especially when you're a young QB and you've experienced the setbacks and limitations Manziel has and has brought upon himself.
It's that fucking simple. In our world, the world of the every day working man, there is nothing wrong with what Johnny did. I agree. But Johnny isn't the every day working man. He's an NFL QB. It's not like a normal 'job' because it isn't a 'job'. Sure you'll hear the phrase " We all have a job to do" thrown around often, but these players and we as fans know damn well that being a professional athlete is the furthest thing from a typical career.
Anyone defending Johnny 'he did nothing wrong'... "but, but but OTHER guys etc etc' ' Look what xx player did' - get bent. That's a typical deflection and has NOTHING to do with Manziel. But have a happy Thanksgiving while you're at it.
I wasn't aware that you were privy to the verbal agreement between the two parties.
We should have consulted with you all along.
I wasn't aware that you were privy to the verbal agreement between the two parties.
We should have consulted with you all along.
And you talk about Logic?.. your dumber than rock...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
. Because Pettine is a piece of shit garbage coach. He's stomping around enforcing lame rules to take the focus away from his dumpster fire defense and useless best friend DC.
Take a breath.
Pettine has 15 years experience coaching in the NFL. He has the support of his QB Coach, Offensive Coordinator, GM and Owner.
Manziel is a 22 year old addict.
Who do you really want to fix your wagon to?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Take a breath.
Pettine has 15 years experience coaching in the NFL. He has the support of his QB Coach, Offensive Coordinator, GM and Owner.
Manziel is a 22 year old addict.
Who do you really want to fix your wagon to?
Zombo
Neither of them. It's not one or the other.
It's Pettine is shit, this season is fucked, and not knowing what we have in Johnny is going to set us back another year when there are two probable, three possible franchise QBs in this draft.
The reading comprehension on this board is lacking.
It's not a fucking personal agenda for some people. Some of us actually just want to see us win and understand that there are bigger things than "oh this guy lied to me this week, boo the fuck hoo."
Manziel's trade value has never been lower, we still have no idea what he could become, he showed just enough against Pittsburgh for us to still have faith in him, and every game we possibly win with McCown at the helm does nothing to make us a better franchise moving forward. They are purely moral victories and nothing else.
Of all the reasonable scenarios you could have laid out only two days ago - this is certainly the worst.
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I wasn't aware that you were privy to the verbal agreement between the two parties.
We should have consulted with you all along.
And you talk about Logic?.. your dumber than rock...
And you talk about Logic?.. your dumber than rock...
You're a fucking ancient idiot. Fuck off into the nether already, you literally have never contributed a single thing to this board since the dawn of time.
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You're a fucking ancient idiot. Fuck off into the nether already, you literally have never contributed a single thing to this board since the dawn of time.
LOL.. Oh and all you do is whine like a pussy.. be a man you gurl..
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You're a fucking ancient idiot. Fuck off into the nether already, you literally have never contributed a single thing to this board since the dawn of time.
LOL.. Oh and all you do is whine like a pussy.. be a man you gurl..
LOL.. Oh and all you do is whine like a pussy.. be a man you gurl..
The manliest thing I've ever seen a man do is type LOL and follow it up with "gurl".
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The manliest thing I've ever seen a man do is type LOL and follow it up with "gurl".
Well.. you're not even a Man...Go drink some more ya fat alcohlic.
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The manliest thing I've ever seen a man do is type LOL and follow it up with "gurl".
Well.. you're not even a Man...Go drink some more ya fat alcohlic.
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One of the things that I heard most from many former clients who were also substance abusers is that the entire thing was just totally baffling to them They could never understand that promises they made were absolutely sincere when they made them, but were broken by them at almost the first opportunity no matter what the personal cost or the loss of trust in them by persons they so wanted to have trust in them. It's a baffling, self destructive disease which the abuser himself cannot understand other than that it continues to destroy what they want the most despite all desire to the contrary. JM is in this trap. It has nothing to do whatsoever with whether he wants to be a Brown or a good NFL QB. It has to do with something that right now he has no control of nor understanding of why it is happening. It would be easy to just call him stupid. But that isn't it at all. He is in fine company with many highly intelligent and highly talented people who have traveled this exact same path.
And yes, he is still totally responsible for the outcome. This one is on him, not Pettine or anyone else. Pettine is doing exactly what he should. It's called tough love. You reluctantly and sadly follow through with exactly what you said you would do if he could not control his off the field behavior. Have a seat JM and get professional help again. It didn't take.
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One of the things that I heard most from many former clients who were also substance abusers is that the entire thing was just totally baffling to them They could never understand that promises they made were absolutely sincere when they made them, but were broken by them at almost the first opportunity no matter what the personal cost or the loss of trust in them by persons they so wanted to have trust in them. It's a baffling, self destructive disease which the abuser himself cannot understand other than that it continues to destroy what they want the most despite all desire to the contrary. JM is in this trap. It has nothing to do whatsoever with whether he wants to be a Brown or a good NFL QB. It has to do with something that right now he has no control of nor understanding of why it is happening. It would be easy to just call him stupid. But that isn't it at all. He is in fine company with many highly intelligent and highly talented people who have traveled this exact same path.
And yes, he is still totally responsible for the outcome. This one is on him, not Pettine or anyone else. Pettine is doing exactly what he should. It's called tough love. You reluctantly and sadly follow through with exactly what you said you would do if he could not control his off the field behavior. Have a seat JM and get professional help again. It didn't take.
One of the things that I heard most from many former clients who were also substance abusers is that the entire thing was just totally baffling to them They could never understand that promises they made were absolutely sincere when they made them, but were broken by them at almost the first opportunity no matter what the personal cost or the loss of trust in them by persons they so wanted to have trust in them. It's a baffling, self destructive disease which the abuser himself cannot understand other than that it continues to destroy what they want the most despite all desire to the contrary. JM is in this trap. It has nothing to do whatsoever with whether he wants to be a Brown or a good NFL QB. It has to do with something that right now he has no control of nor understanding of why it is happening. It would be easy to just call him stupid. But that isn't it at all. He is in fine company with many highly intelligent and highly talented people who have traveled this exact same path.
And yes, he is still totally responsible for the outcome. This one is on him, not Pettine or anyone else. Pettine is doing exactly what he should. It's called tough love. You reluctantly and sadly follow through with exactly what you said you would do if he could not control his off the field behavior. Have a seat JM and get professional help again. It didn't take.
Thanks AG for telling it like it is.
Red flag was when he called it "possibly an old video" when it wasn't.
Fucking man up.
This weeks' depth chart: Got a feeling that third QB will be a healthy scratch.
http://www.brownsmedia.com/images/9003/11_30_15_depth_chart.pdf
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One of the things that I heard most from many former clients who were also substance abusers is that the entire thing was just totally baffling to them They could never understand that promises they made were absolutely sincere when they made them, but were broken by them at almost the first opportunity no matter what the personal cost or the loss of trust in them by persons they so wanted to have trust in them. It's a baffling, self destructive disease which the abuser himself cannot understand other than that it continues to destroy what they want the most despite all desire to the contrary. JM is in this trap. It has nothing to do whatsoever with whether he wants to be a Brown or a good NFL QB. It has to do with something that right now he has no control of nor understanding of why it is happening. It would be easy to just call him stupid. But that isn't it at all. He is in fine company with many highly intelligent and highly talented people who have traveled this exact same path.
And yes, he is still totally responsible for the outcome. This one is on him, not Pettine or anyone else. Pettine is doing exactly what he should. It's called tough love. You reluctantly and sadly follow through with exactly what you said you would do if he could not control his off the field behavior. Have a seat JM and get professional help again. It didn't take.
Thanks AG for telling it like it is.
Red flag was when he called it "possibly an old video" when it wasn't.
Fucking man up.
This weeks' depth chart: Got a feeling that third QB will be a healthy scratch.
http://www.brownsmedia.com/images/9003/11_30_15_depth_chart.pdf
Zombo said:
Thanks AG for telling it like it is.
Red flag was when he called it "possibly an old video" when it wasn't.
Fucking man up.
This weeks' depth chart: Got a feeling that third QB will be a healthy scratch.
http://www.brownsmedia.com/images/9003/11_30_15_depth_chart.pdf
Yep-and it also explains why Farmer was watching some QB play this weekend. They cannot afford otherwise. I would not either because there is no guarantee he will ever "get it".
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Sit him this week. Maybe one more. Let him play the rest if he doesn't screw up in the interim.
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Justin Gilbert still buried behind the likes of Johnson Bademosi ... THAT I don't get.
Gilbert passes the eye test. No hint of off-the field problems since last year ... what am I missing?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Justin Gilbert still buried behind the likes of Johnson Bademosi ... THAT I don't get.
Gilbert passes the eye test. No hint of off-the field problems since last year ... what am I missing?
Zombo
Gasp.
You mean there's a questionable coaching decision?
Oh my!
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Sit him this week. Maybe one more. Let him play the rest if he doesn't screw up in the interim.
Sit him this week. Maybe one more. Let him play the rest if he doesn't screw up in the interim.
Depends on what they told him before this screwup. If they said they would never trust him again and be done with him, then so be it.
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