Rush Defense
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I like your analysis.
The only thing that sticks out is the Shitsburgh game. They really didn't have to run the ball, as they could pass at will.
Overall, I agree that the run D is improving.
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They suck and will give up 24 points to baltimores backup qb
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I think a lot of teams ran well against us early but went away from the run when they got up, almost to let up on us...try something different. I think those run stats could be a lot worse cause I remember multiple games were I was like what is this OC thinking not running on us when they get 5 yds without even trying hard.
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Man in the Titans game we allows McCluster to run for 98 yards he only has 137 yards in the other 10 games he has played. The Chargers only ran it 21 times.
The Cardinals game stands out as probably the best but Palmer did pass for 374 yards. Like you said are we selling out just a bit to much now to stop the run that teams have no problems passing on us.
Even in the Steelers game when we scored early in the 4th to make it 24 to 9 the Steelers promptly started running the ball on us.
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Good stuff gftChris. Once again it gets back to what we all thought what could have been & its just not good. Finally in the Shitburg game we started to see Shelton & the shift changes stop on 3rd down as a good adjustment. But then the boneheaded adjustments soon followed by only blitzing Ben 3 times & letting him pick our banged up secondary apart. The absolute biggest problem with this run defense that shows up in every game for the last 2 seasons is the big run gash that we give up to any RB that could have been stopped if only the first guy would have tackled him.. But I do agree, if we give our best unit time to gell without all the subbing guessing situations things may change..
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All the numbers aside what will help the d the most is an offense that will keep them on the side line or let them play with a lead
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All the numbers aside what will help the d the most is an offense that will keep them on the side line or let them play with a lead
All the numbers aside what will help the d the most is an offense that will keep them on the side line or let them play with a lead
How about the defense stop someone once in awhile? The offense scored plenty in several games only to have the defense give the lead right back to the other team.
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Except we're giving up the most yards from scrimmage to opposing running backs.
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Good stuff gftChris. Once again it gets back to what we all thought what could have been & its just not good. Finally in the Shitburg game we started to see Shelton & the shift changes stop on 3rd down as a good adjustment. But then the boneheaded adjustments soon followed by only blitzing Ben 3 times & letting him pick our banged up secondary apart. The absolute biggest problem with this run defense that shows up in every game for the last 2 seasons is the big run gash that we give up to any RB that could have been stopped if only the first guy would have tackled him.. But I do agree, if we give our best unit time to gell without all the subbing guessing situations things may change..
the big run gash that we give up to any RB that could have been stopped if only the first guy would have tackled him.
Of all of the Browns problems, the most infuriating is all of the missed tackles. There are many aspects of any given Browns game that piss me off, but nothing gets me yelling at the TV like defenders bouncing off of the ball carrier.
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Getting blown out in the second half makes me think about coaching.
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Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
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Statistics can be misleading, and as ever in the NFL the sample size isn't really big enough to be definitive. That's why I'm hoping that this is the start of a new trend of being competent run defenders, rather than a blip caused by bad luck of opponents and selling out against the run.
What prompted this all, btw, was reading about Nate Orchard becoming our best run stuffing OLB. Sack leader in college last year and he's being asked to set the edge. The mind boggles. Can someone with PFF - Mud? - have a look and see how he's grading out, if he's actually good or just best of a bad bunch?
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Statistics can be misleading, and as ever in the NFL the sample size isn't really big enough to be definitive. That's why I'm hoping that this is the start of a new trend of being competent run defenders, rather than a blip caused by bad luck of opponents and selling out against the run.
What prompted this all, btw, was reading about Nate Orchard becoming our best run stuffing OLB. Sack leader in college last year and he's being asked to set the edge. The mind boggles. Can someone with PFF - Mud? - have a look and see how he's grading out, if he's actually good or just best of a bad bunch?
Statistics can be misleading, and as ever in the NFL the sample size isn't really big enough to be definitive. That's why I'm hoping that this is the start of a new trend of being competent run defenders, rather than a blip caused by bad luck of opponents and selling out against the run.
What prompted this all, btw, was reading about Nate Orchard becoming our best run stuffing OLB. Sack leader in college last year and he's being asked to set the edge. The mind boggles. Can someone with PFF - Mud? - have a look and see how he's grading out, if he's actually good or just best of a bad bunch?
He's been average overall. Positive marks against the run and just over negative as a pass rusher. His awareness off the edge was impressive. Two batted passes were nice.
I put quite a bit of stock into Orchard before the draft. While he hasn't exploded as a pass rusher yet (not that I expected him too) he's been improving as a perimeter run defender each week.
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Statistics can be misleading, and as ever in the NFL the sample size isn't really big enough to be definitive. That's why I'm hoping that this is the start of a new trend of being competent run defenders, rather than a blip caused by bad luck of opponents and selling out against the run.
What prompted this all, btw, was reading about Nate Orchard becoming our best run stuffing OLB. Sack leader in college last year and he's being asked to set the edge. The mind boggles. Can someone with PFF - Mud? - have a look and see how he's grading out, if he's actually good or just best of a bad bunch?
He's been average overall. Positive marks against the run and just over negative as a pass rusher. His awareness off the edge was impressive. Two batted passes were nice.
I put quite a bit of stock into Orchard before the draft. While he hasn't exploded as a pass rusher yet (not that I expected him too) he's been improving as a perimeter run defender each week.
He's been average overall. Positive marks against the run and just over negative as a pass rusher. His awareness off the edge was impressive. Two batted passes were nice.
I put quite a bit of stock into Orchard before the draft. While he hasn't exploded as a pass rusher yet (not that I expected him too) he's been improving as a perimeter run defender each week.
Thanks, I was curious. So he's basically an average OLB? I mean, that's got to be a big upgrade on how Kruger's played this year.
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Orchard has flashed at times, very hopeful he can be a good player long term.
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Supposing we draft Bosa - I know I'm getting ahead of myself there - he's a 4-3 DE; Orchard was a 4-3 DE before we drafted him also. So a switch to a base 4-3 might get the best out of both of those guys, but what about Danny Shelton? Can he be a 4-3 DT? He'd presumably have to shed some weight, maybe 30-40lbs. Desmond Bryant could go back inside where he was at Oakland, I think with no problem, and Jamie Meder would be ok I guess. Armonty and Kruger both look more like 4-3 DEs than 3-4 OLBs. Then you have Dansby as your Mike, flanked by any two of Kirksey, Robertson and Mingo.
Just ruminating, nothing I say or think will ever have an impact of course.
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Supposing we draft Bosa - I know I'm getting ahead of myself there - he's a 4-3 DE; Orchard was a 4-3 DE before we drafted him also. So a switch to a base 4-3 might get the best out of both of those guys, but what about Danny Shelton? Can he be a 4-3 DT? He'd presumably have to shed some weight, maybe 30-40lbs. Desmond Bryant could go back inside where he was at Oakland, I think with no problem, and Jamie Meder would be ok I guess. Armonty and Kruger both look more like 4-3 DEs than 3-4 OLBs. Then you have Dansby as your Mike, flanked by any two of Kirksey, Robertson and Mingo.
Just ruminating, nothing I say or think will ever have an impact of course.
Supposing we draft Bosa - I know I'm getting ahead of myself there - he's a 4-3 DE; Orchard was a 4-3 DE before we drafted him also. So a switch to a base 4-3 might get the best out of both of those guys, but what about Danny Shelton? Can he be a 4-3 DT? He'd presumably have to shed some weight, maybe 30-40lbs. Desmond Bryant could go back inside where he was at Oakland, I think with no problem, and Jamie Meder would be ok I guess. Armonty and Kruger both look more like 4-3 DEs than 3-4 OLBs. Then you have Dansby as your Mike, flanked by any two of Kirksey, Robertson and Mingo.
Just ruminating, nothing I say or think will ever have an impact of course.
I think this coaching staff....which is supposed to be defense oriented, would be too stuck in its ways.....to insistent to employ their "system" to be flexible enough to actually let their players play at what they are best at.
Our quickest pass rusher is never allowed to rush the passer......so what does that tell you?
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Statistics can be misleading, and as ever in the NFL the sample size isn't really big enough to be definitive. That's why I'm hoping that this is the start of a new trend of being competent run defenders, rather than a blip caused by bad luck of opponents and selling out against the run.
What prompted this all, btw, was reading about Nate Orchard becoming our best run stuffing OLB. Sack leader in college last year and he's being asked to set the edge. The mind boggles. Can someone with PFF - Mud? - have a look and see how he's grading out, if he's actually good or just best of a bad bunch?
He's been average overall. Positive marks against the run and just over negative as a pass rusher. His awareness off the edge was impressive. Two batted passes were nice.
I put quite a bit of stock into Orchard before the draft. While he hasn't exploded as a pass rusher yet (not that I expected him too) he's been improving as a perimeter run defender each week.
He's been average overall. Positive marks against the run and just over negative as a pass rusher. His awareness off the edge was impressive. Two batted passes were nice.
I put quite a bit of stock into Orchard before the draft. While he hasn't exploded as a pass rusher yet (not that I expected him too) he's been improving as a perimeter run defender each week.
Thanks, I was curious. So he's basically an average OLB? I mean, that's got to be a big upgrade on how Kruger's played this year.
Isn't the bigger point that in Orchard we have a real example of drafted talent developing under our current staff?
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Orchard has flashed at times, very hopeful he can be a good player long term.
Orchard has flashed at times, very hopeful he can be a good player long term.
Agree, he just might be a keeper.
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