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Here are some notes about where some publications have Bosa and Lynch ranked:
CBSports; Bosa #1, Lynch #4
Draftek: Bosa #1, Lynch #52 (Goff, Cook, Jone ahead)
Sports Ilustrated: Bosa #1, Lynch N/A (believe this was preseason ranking)
SB Nation: Bosa #1, Lynch, not top 50 (again, preseason)
ESPN: Rankings by position, not overall, Bosa and Lynch both #1 at position
Washington Post: Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss #1 Bosa #2, Lynch #8
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Uh Flugel they most certainly did not run right at him all night. And they most certainly put more than one blocker on him. And give that entire defense some credit, the offense was going 3's and out all night long....by 4th quarter some runs were starting to spring a bit yes, but that was a great defensive game for the most part by the Bucks.
Uh Flugel they most certainly did not run right at him all night. And they most certainly put more than one blocker on him. And give that entire defense some credit, the offense was going 3's and out all night long....by 4th quarter some runs were starting to spring a bit yes, but that was a great defensive game for the most part by the Bucks.
I specified the 2nd half when they chose to run at him with success. And no they didn't put more than 1 blocker on him in that 2nd half. They adjusted to shed light on how the LBer was just as sealed as Bosa was getting. I saw the entire game plus the replays, which means I saw everything more than once while you're claiming double and tripled teams all second half? Let me guess, you missed all 3 offsides penalties he had as well right?
There's people that watch games with a lot of people and see 1 play, leave the room, grab some chow, drop a plop, socialize and return to see another play as if they could summarize the entire game inclusive all the adjustments taking place as it unfolds. It sounds like you were really distracted if you didn't see any of Michigan State's last 2 scoring drives plus the FG attempt they also missed.
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Bosa is a solid player, but this year I haven't seen max effort. In the Indiana game, he slept walked the entire 1st half, but when it was close at the end he turned it on and was very disruptive.
When he is giving it 100%, he's scary good, but I didnt see him doing that early this season. His tape will show a solid Dlineman most the time with a nasty streak, particularly in the most clutch times...
Top 5?...
This year probably because I'm not sure this is a very good draft, especially at the top... He is certainly the best looking rush defender of all the D-lineman I've seen...
Bosa is a solid player, but this year I haven't seen max effort. In the Indiana game, he slept walked the entire 1st half, but when it was close at the end he turned it on and was very disruptive.
Thanks for this.... just prior to the post when I asked Cleve for a game to watch, I watched the first half of the IN game. After seeing only two decent contributions in that half, I gave up. ANd for each of those efforts, there were at least three plays where Bosa was handle by a TE.
I'll go back and watch the second half.
Again Cleve, if you have other games I need to look at, please let me know.
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Bosa is a solid player, but this year I haven't seen max effort. In the Indiana game, he slept walked the entire 1st half, but when it was close at the end he turned it on and was very disruptive.
Thanks for this.... just prior to the post when I asked Cleve for a game to watch, I watched the first half of the IN game. After seeing only two decent contributions in that half, I gave up. ANd for each of those efforts, there were at least three plays where Bosa was handle by a TE.
I'll go back and watch the second half.
Again Cleve, if you have other games I need to look at, please let me know.
Thanks for this.... just prior to the post when I asked Cleve for a game to watch, I watched the first half of the IN game. After seeing only two decent contributions in that half, I gave up. ANd for each of those efforts, there were at least three plays where Bosa was handle by a TE.
I'll go back and watch the second half.
Again Cleve, if you have other games I need to look at, please let me know.
This is what I posted the day after in the "2016 DRAFT who's your boy?" thread when Clev thought he saw Bosa getting off blocks and stopping everything that came his way while your reply to me gave me the impression we saw the same game. The irony is MSU also had a play where the TE down blocked him and drove him halfway to Cincy by himself free of charge:
Come on with this stuff. This guy could take a smelly shit right now and I'd be hearing it smells like the top selling cologne. Games aren't played on paper especially when it's windy and raining.The biggest effect Bosa had all day was when they kicked him inside to line up against a cup protection for Michigan State's 2nd or 3rd string QB (they rotated the 2). I know this is hard to believe but cup protections often require a double team somewhere inside closer to where the ball is snapped. Consequently, Bosa drew it and the guy (#6) who lined up outside at Bosa's normal spot made a big play getting to the QB. As the game unfolded, Sparty realized they were a lot better than Illinois so they decided to adjust how many guys they needed to waste on Bosa to the extent LBers were getting more attention. And it worked regardless of the Dial-A-QB situation MSU had to overcome.
Bosa had 3 offsides penalties and 1 was brutal enough to change 3rd and 8 to a very doable 3rd and 3. In Sparty's second half scoring drives, they ran right where Bosa lined up. 1 time, a very skinny #83 was isolated on Bosa driving him from the right side of the television screen all the way to the left of the screen until he was off the screen altogether. They also showed the replay just so I could confirm only 1 guy was doing that. When such a luxury was taking place, someone else playside was able to block the OSU LBer. Some of you guys are acting like Bosa is the only DE you've ever seen necessitating an occasional chip from the TE. And when you see a RB in to help out - it's the first time you've ever seen that too?
FWIW, when Reggie White was leading the NFL in sacks and frequenting Pro Bowls - there were always TEs chipping with a RB in the backfield helping out. If they were indeed tripling/quadrupling Bosa eating up blockers like Pez - why was the LBer help nowhere to be found late in the game? Maybe, just maybe, they weren't using all their blockers on Bosa? I think the kid is talented and he can get up under guys to remove their entire base to win position and leverage; but first overall picks are supposed to be football messiahs in terms of impact. Yesterday was an ideal stage in the rain to prove he's that guy and all I'm gonna hear is a bunch of excuses and explanations of why he was not that guy. When his neighborhood got picked on - why were all his neighbors getting blocked? Sparty figured something out; and the minute they did - they owned the day.
FWIW, backside clampdowns got Courtney Brown drafted first overall because he had an adorable tackles for loss resume to go with a Mike Mamula-esque workout summed up as "gonna hurt people." Here's the thing, the Michigan matchup vrs Penn State back in 99 said don't feed the back side clamp down - just run right AT him. They did with a long sustained scoring drives that beat Penn State. They also learned they didn't even have to double Courtney Brown in the process, which was exactly how NFL life ahead became. The pertinence of that is where did Michigan State run when they needed to knot the score and get into FG position twice? Right AT Bosa and he played exactly like a Brown. When he did make tackles late in the game - they were about 10 yards downfield.
I know everybody loves Ohio State; but I'm not seeing the next Reggie White or JJ Watt. JJ Watt single-handedly closed down Ohio State ranging from whipping an All Conference Center's ass to kicking tail on the edge. He owned the day and the stage against the best opponent on his schedule. There were no "yeah, but they double teamed him" excuses required. He dominated the best offensive line in the conference. The weather dictated that the best trench warriors would own the day and you saw the outcome. Get the meaningless Illinois matchup out of your head because that wasn't an NFL measuring stick like yesterday was.
I LIKE Bosa so I don't want to see him setup to be somebody's major disappointment, which could easily happen if he went to a clusterphuck like Cleveland. Our 5 techniques never need to be doubled or quickly chipped and they still don't get the LBer help Ohio State usually offers Bosa (outside of yesterday). As Hoorta said elsewhere, Big Daddy Wilkinson once got played up as a sure thing ready to dominate at the NFL level and it never happened. He did actually have a decent career but because of how high he got drafted - many labelled him a bad pick when he wasn't. He just didn't dominate like his draft slot required him to. I've been wrong before so it's possible I'm wrong again but let's not pretend yesterday was exactly what you wanted to see from Bosa. I tooted Elliott as my guy and I'm disappointed in the way he played and conducted himself afterward.
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And what game were you watching? Bosa was around the ball all game. They did not shut that dude down at all, and you could see they clearly gameplanned specifically for him. So for one guy to sometimes see 3 guys on him, and still impact plays on a down to down basis.....I saw nothing that said hey maybe this guy isn't top 5 material. If anything it proved he was if what the commentators said about the MI St O line was true.
And what game were you watching? Bosa was around the ball all game. They did not shut that dude down at all, and you could see they clearly gameplanned specifically for him. So for one guy to sometimes see 3 guys on him, and still impact plays on a down to down basis.....I saw nothing that said hey maybe this guy isn't top 5 material. If anything it proved he was if what the commentators said about the MI St O line was true.
For the most part, both the assessments of players from Tour and myself have been similar. Obviously we have our disagreements on Joey.
However because of the respect I have for him and Flugs, it deserves a lot more than 'bruh, what are YOU watching' to form an argument with them.
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This is a tricky one. Until yesterday I was assuming we'd get a chance to see Manziel make a case to be the QB of the future. The party-vid/demotion has convoluted everything. Will Johnny regain trust with enough games left to display what he's capable of?
Maybe JFF's demotion is a wake-up call that will last a week or two, maybe it means the FO will go into the off season as if they don't have their QB.
I've started looking at tape of the QB prospects, and will form an opinion in the upcoming weeks. Ideally, Manziel will still be able to find his way onto the field and put together an impressive body of work in the remainder of the season. Having an answer at the QB position would allow us to target a beastly defender like Bosa, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves or Smith.
This is a tricky one. Until yesterday I was assuming we'd get a chance to see Manziel make a case to be the QB of the future. The party-vid/demotion has convoluted everything. Will Johnny regain trust with enough games left to display what he's capable of?
Maybe JFF's demotion is a wake-up call that will last a week or two, maybe it means the FO will go into the off season as if they don't have their QB.
I've started looking at tape of the QB prospects, and will form an opinion in the upcoming weeks. Ideally, Manziel will still be able to find his way onto the field and put together an impressive body of work in the remainder of the season. Having an answer at the QB position would allow us to target a beastly defender like Bosa, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves or Smith.
The events of the past week made it abundantly clear the Browns don't trust Manziel- at all. They thought they could control his off field antics- but it's probably too late in the game, and would take too much time to get that situation rectified. I'll put the odds at 70% Johnny Juicer is gone after the season. The NFL could actually do the Browns a favor if they suspended him for a year. It would painlessly give the Browns a chance to see if he's rehabbed for good. BTW, whoever mentioned Connor Shaw has a point.
Now regarding the WR conundrum- I sure hope & pray Josh Gordon can keep his act together. I've seen a qb as great as Aaron Rodgers come back to earth if he doesn't have anyone to throw to. OTOH, Megatron made Matt Stafford look mighty good on Turkey Day.
Are you listening Mr. Farmer? No more Maybe Mayles in the fourth round please.
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I would draft 3 centers again, Draft all OL. That has really worked well so far.
Of course Tom. We have two first round and two second round guys on that o-line, (and another first rounder on the bench) it's not working, so we need to draft a couple more.
Bosa worth a top five?
Not sure. I think Zeke Elliot is a more sure thing than Bosa. Unless you think he's another Adrian Peterson, you don't draft him in the top 10. And the Browns WILL draft in the top 10.
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So I just watched JJ Watts highlight from the OH St game, and it's impressive although Wisconsin in general beat the crap out of OH St. But what I said about Bosa's game vs Watts game "at this stage in their career holds'. Watt was uphill all game. Let a lot of runs go up inside of him cause he was doing what he did best, swim upfield and try to make the play high. His technique just isn't as good as Bosa's at that point. Bosa is way more fundamentally sound. Watt was a much purer pass rusher although his run stopping stats weren't bad. But when OSU ran right at him they handled him. Bosa holds up at the point better, i'm sorry that's just what I see when I watch both their tapes....although I've only watched the one game against OSU from Watt.
I don't want Bosa on the Browns cause he's a Buckeye, I don't give a fuck if he was a Wolverine. He just has fundamentals that if he keeps getting coached up he's going to be one of the greats. I don't know what you guys watched during the MSU game but I'm very sure I would have noticed a WR taking Bosa where he didn't want to go. I think one of the first plays of the game was a running play away from Bosa where he popped the tackle up, read the play and slid to his right and made the tackle on the other side of the line for maybe 1 yd gain if that.
The kids tackle stats speak for themselves. Are there other defensive players the Browns would do well to pick up? Of course, he's not the only guy for the Browns. But we'd be stupid to not take him if he's there when we pick. I like a WR like everybody else, I was honking on Watkins the other year, but our offense wasn't the biggest problem on this team by far. Taking a 3rd round DE/OLB isn't going to do shit for this defense.
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And what game were you watching? Bosa was around the ball all game. They did not shut that dude down at all, and you could see they clearly gameplanned specifically for him. So for one guy to sometimes see 3 guys on him, and still impact plays on a down to down basis.....I saw nothing that said hey maybe this guy isn't top 5 material. If anything it proved he was if what the commentators said about the MI St O line was true.
For the most part, both the assessments of players from Tour and myself have been similar. Obviously we have our disagreements on Joey.
However because of the respect I have for him and Flugs, it deserves a lot more than 'bruh, what are YOU watching' to form an argument with them.
For the most part, both the assessments of players from Tour and myself have been similar. Obviously we have our disagreements on Joey.
However because of the respect I have for him and Flugs, it deserves a lot more than 'bruh, what are YOU watching' to form an argument with them.
Thanks Tiam - backatchya!
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Thanks for this.... just prior to the post when I asked Cleve for a game to watch, I watched the first half of the IN game. After seeing only two decent contributions in that half, I gave up. ANd for each of those efforts, there were at least three plays where Bosa was handle by a TE.
I'll go back and watch the second half.
Again Cleve, if you have other games I need to look at, please let me know.
This is what I posted the day after in the "2016 DRAFT who's your boy?" thread when Clev thought he saw Bosa getting off blocks and stopping everything that came his way while your reply to me gave me the impression we saw the same game. The irony is MSU also had a play where the TE down blocked him and drove him halfway to Cincy by himself free of charge:
Come on with this stuff. This guy could take a smelly shit right now and I'd be hearing it smells like the top selling cologne. Games aren't played on paper especially when it's windy and raining.The biggest effect Bosa had all day was when they kicked him inside to line up against a cup protection for Michigan State's 2nd or 3rd string QB (they rotated the 2). I know this is hard to believe but cup protections often require a double team somewhere inside closer to where the ball is snapped. Consequently, Bosa drew it and the guy (#6) who lined up outside at Bosa's normal spot made a big play getting to the QB. As the game unfolded, Sparty realized they were a lot better than Illinois so they decided to adjust how many guys they needed to waste on Bosa to the extent LBers were getting more attention. And it worked regardless of the Dial-A-QB situation MSU had to overcome.
Bosa had 3 offsides penalties and 1 was brutal enough to change 3rd and 8 to a very doable 3rd and 3. In Sparty's second half scoring drives, they ran right where Bosa lined up. 1 time, a very skinny #83 was isolated on Bosa driving him from the right side of the television screen all the way to the left of the screen until he was off the screen altogether. They also showed the replay just so I could confirm only 1 guy was doing that. When such a luxury was taking place, someone else playside was able to block the OSU LBer. Some of you guys are acting like Bosa is the only DE you've ever seen necessitating an occasional chip from the TE. And when you see a RB in to help out - it's the first time you've ever seen that too?
FWIW, when Reggie White was leading the NFL in sacks and frequenting Pro Bowls - there were always TEs chipping with a RB in the backfield helping out. If they were indeed tripling/quadrupling Bosa eating up blockers like Pez - why was the LBer help nowhere to be found late in the game? Maybe, just maybe, they weren't using all their blockers on Bosa? I think the kid is talented and he can get up under guys to remove their entire base to win position and leverage; but first overall picks are supposed to be football messiahs in terms of impact. Yesterday was an ideal stage in the rain to prove he's that guy and all I'm gonna hear is a bunch of excuses and explanations of why he was not that guy. When his neighborhood got picked on - why were all his neighbors getting blocked? Sparty figured something out; and the minute they did - they owned the day.
FWIW, backside clampdowns got Courtney Brown drafted first overall because he had an adorable tackles for loss resume to go with a Mike Mamula-esque workout summed up as "gonna hurt people." Here's the thing, the Michigan matchup vrs Penn State back in 99 said don't feed the back side clamp down - just run right AT him. They did with a long sustained scoring drives that beat Penn State. They also learned they didn't even have to double Courtney Brown in the process, which was exactly how NFL life ahead became. The pertinence of that is where did Michigan State run when they needed to knot the score and get into FG position twice? Right AT Bosa and he played exactly like a Brown. When he did make tackles late in the game - they were about 10 yards downfield.
I know everybody loves Ohio State; but I'm not seeing the next Reggie White or JJ Watt. JJ Watt single-handedly closed down Ohio State ranging from whipping an All Conference Center's ass to kicking tail on the edge. He owned the day and the stage against the best opponent on his schedule. There were no "yeah, but they double teamed him" excuses required. He dominated the best offensive line in the conference. The weather dictated that the best trench warriors would own the day and you saw the outcome. Get the meaningless Illinois matchup out of your head because that wasn't an NFL measuring stick like yesterday was.
I LIKE Bosa so I don't want to see him setup to be somebody's major disappointment, which could easily happen if he went to a clusterphuck like Cleveland. Our 5 techniques never need to be doubled or quickly chipped and they still don't get the LBer help Ohio State usually offers Bosa (outside of yesterday). As Hoorta said elsewhere, Big Daddy Wilkinson once got played up as a sure thing ready to dominate at the NFL level and it never happened. He did actually have a decent career but because of how high he got drafted - many labelled him a bad pick when he wasn't. He just didn't dominate like his draft slot required him to. I've been wrong before so it's possible I'm wrong again but let's not pretend yesterday was exactly what you wanted to see from Bosa. I tooted Elliott as my guy and I'm disappointed in the way he played and conducted himself afterward.
This is what I posted the day after in the "2016 DRAFT who's your boy?"...
I did see and read the post before.
For the most part, both the assessments of players from Tour and myself have been similar. Obviously we have our disagreements on Joey.
However because of the respect I have for him and Flugs, it deserves a lot more than 'bruh, what are YOU watching' to form an argument with them.
Thanks... In my case, and I suspect Flug's as well, it is not like the memory of a dominant Bosa is not there. It is just that there is no recent memory of that player. That is why I am asking for a game to look at.
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So I just watched JJ Watts highlight from the OH St game, and it's impressive although Wisconsin in general beat the crap out of OH St. But what I said about Bosa's game vs Watts game "at this stage in their career holds'. Watt was uphill all game. Let a lot of runs go up inside of him cause he was doing what he did best, swim upfield and try to make the play high. His technique just isn't as good as Bosa's at that point. Bosa is way more fundamentally sound. Watt was a much purer pass rusher although his run stopping stats weren't bad. But when OSU ran right at him they handled him. Bosa holds up at the point better, i'm sorry that's just what I see when I watch both their tapes....although I've only watched the one game against OSU from Watt.
I don't want Bosa on the Browns cause he's a Buckeye, I don't give a fuck if he was a Wolverine. He just has fundamentals that if he keeps getting coached up he's going to be one of the greats. I don't know what you guys watched during the MSU game but I'm very sure I would have noticed a WR taking Bosa where he didn't want to go. I think one of the first plays of the game was a running play away from Bosa where he popped the tackle up, read the play and slid to his right and made the tackle on the other side of the line for maybe 1 yd gain if that.
The kids tackle stats speak for themselves. Are there other defensive players the Browns would do well to pick up? Of course, he's not the only guy for the Browns. But we'd be stupid to not take him if he's there when we pick. I like a WR like everybody else, I was honking on Watkins the other year, but our offense wasn't the biggest problem on this team by far. Taking a 3rd round DE/OLB isn't going to do shit for this defense.
So I just watched JJ Watts highlight from the OH St game, and it's impressive although Wisconsin in general beat the crap out of OH St. But what I said about Bosa's game vs Watts game "at this stage in their career holds'. Watt was uphill all game. Let a lot of runs go up inside of him cause he was doing what he did best, swim upfield and try to make the play high. His technique just isn't as good as Bosa's at that point. Bosa is way more fundamentally sound. Watt was a much purer pass rusher although his run stopping stats weren't bad. But when OSU ran right at him they handled him. Bosa holds up at the point better, i'm sorry that's just what I see when I watch both their tapes....although I've only watched the one game against OSU from Watt.
I don't want Bosa on the Browns cause he's a Buckeye, I don't give a fuck if he was a Wolverine. He just has fundamentals that if he keeps getting coached up he's going to be one of the greats. I don't know what you guys watched during the MSU game but I'm very sure I would have noticed a WR taking Bosa where he didn't want to go. I think one of the first plays of the game was a running play away from Bosa where he popped the tackle up, read the play and slid to his right and made the tackle on the other side of the line for maybe 1 yd gain if that.
The kids tackle stats speak for themselves. Are there other defensive players the Browns would do well to pick up? Of course, he's not the only guy for the Browns. But we'd be stupid to not take him if he's there when we pick. I like a WR like everybody else, I was honking on Watkins the other year, but our offense wasn't the biggest problem on this team by far. Taking a 3rd round DE/OLB isn't going to do shit for this defense.
Valid points/good observations but try to read what people are saying to you about the Michigan State game and others Clev. Nobody thinks there's a talent issue with Bosa. Having said that, Gipper is showing where he is projected to be drafted by many sources so the ideal time for Bosa to validate the hype should have been the closest matchup he had to the type of talent he'll see on Sundays (Michigan State). What should have made his job even easier was the reality it was a terrible day to throw the football weather-wise on top of knowing how deep into the depth chart Sparty was going at the QB position. FWIW, #83 wasn't a WR isolated on him, he was a TE blocking down on Bosa giving the tackle the responsibility of sealing off the LBer, which he did. I'm thinking it was a fold block where 83 led and the tackle crossed behind him to seal off the first guy in the next tier (LB) but 83 stole 100% my attention. Doesn't matter they got A+ on the execution.
Many of us would rather be high 5ing you about Bosa than pointing out things they want you to see. Let's hope he has a huge day against Michigan! Last year against Penn State, Bosa came up huge when his team needed him most or there would have never been a National Championship Game to celebrate. That's the guy I want to see and set my expectations on.
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Spot on here...not only was he the man that carried the team last year once Cardale (I can't hit a receiver in stride) Jones had to start. He pretty much carried the team this whole damn year with his 2nd half running and your only going to give him the ball twice in the 2nd half against MSU.Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
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Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Jerrah Jones is gonna have to go qb shopping come 2016. Doesn't surprise me (watched the game & the way he was holding his arm was telling) Romo is done for the year with a busted collarbone- again. Don't know if him or Bradford take the China Doll award.
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Romo is 35, if Bradford hangs around as a starter until he's 35 I'll buy ice cream for everyone.
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Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Jerry is willing to employ a brand new cast for the Longest Yard (Hardy & Dez) so I can see him ponying up a trade for Manziel especially since he wanted him in the first place.
There's a lot of people in your corner about Bosa and many aren't even Ohio State fans fwiw. Some of us are just coming at it from a different angle and trying to show you why we're hesitant/reluctant. Since 99, we've seen first round picks like Courtney Brown, Gerrard Warren, and Phil Taylor never play up to the promise of what their talent projected. Even before injuries compounded situations - what was holding sic em hostage? Inner chest especially when 2 of them always reported to camp out of shape. When we gave up a chance to draft the talent and work ethic of Julio Jones - I didn't want to hear any excuses about Taylor. There were times he showed promise but a team like us can't afford another first round investment that is satisfied with all football in the rear view mirror after the signing bonus. It's up to our scouts to research the work ethics we're betting on moving forward.
I don't think there was any lack of effort vrs Michigan State last week. The miserable weather favored Michigan State in the sense of how much it handcuffed the sense of balance Ohio State is capable of. It also looked like Michigan State's staff did a better job of identifying vulnerabilities and exploiting them while the game was in progress, which is high praise considering how infrequently that can be said vrs Urban Meyer's staffs.
As with any prospect, their fate is in the hands of who drafts them. Tampa used to be willing to let their entire fan base think guys like Steve Young and Vinny Testaverde were evil gypsies that just wanted to rob their payroll/salary cap. Their next teams knew what to surround them with so success was inevitable. The coaching staffs also knew how to tap their strengths. What if a guy like Rich Kotite drafted Montana or the New Orleans staff that once wasted Archie Manning? That story could have played out way different. Where I'm going with this is would our current defensive staff tap Bosa's assets out in our 5 technique? Truth is - we don't even have a good read on what a promising prospect like Xavier Cooper offers us in this fire drill in a chicken coop.
After round 1 - I like Canton Mike's idea of upgrading our play making ability on the perimeter with Braxton Miller. Now I'm sounding like the OSU homer but I think this guy can be everything Jarvis Landry is and more. Similar build, hands and big play ability. As much as I want more size outside - this is a pretty good exception to that rule (he still outweighs Gabriel by about 20-25 lbs).
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Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Jerrah Jones is gonna have to go qb shopping come 2016. Doesn't surprise me (watched the game & the way he was holding his arm was telling) Romo is done for the year with a busted collarbone- again. Don't know if him or Bradford take the China Doll award.
Jerrah Jones is gonna have to go qb shopping come 2016. Doesn't surprise me (watched the game & the way he was holding his arm was telling) Romo is done for the year with a busted collarbone- again. Don't know if him or Bradford take the China Doll award.
That's gotta feel real good in the palace knowing the recent contract extensions/raises to Dez Bryant and Tony Romo are paying for all the football behind them. Thatta boy Jerry. We have the perfect WR for you - Dwayne Bowe has 3 receptions at the exchange value of over 9 million $.
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DeForest Buckner would be my choice over Bosa. PFF ranks him number 1 in all of college football
I've watched all but one of the Duck's games and this guy just pops off the screen. He is the best 5-Tech in the draft.
DeForest Buckner would be my choice over Bosa. PFF ranks him number 1 in all of college football
I've watched all but one of the Duck's games and this guy just pops off the screen. He is the best 5-Tech in the draft.
I gotta start watching some Pac 12 football this year so I can at least have some degree of familiarity with the names we'll be talking about in the off-season.. Thanks for the heads-up!
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