Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Johnny needs to start. Pettine needs to go. I didn't realize we had all sober bible thumpers in the Browns board.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
He shouldn't of lied, and i understand why they benched him, but Pettine handled the presser like a fucking pussy as well.
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You guys are being soooo ridiculous. We are talking about some bullshit, we aren't even talking about PRACTICE. We are not talking about Playing. We are debating whether or not Johnny can have a life outside of football. As long as he's not breaking the law or getting suspended by the NFL, as long as he produces on the field, you can't tell him how to spend his FREE TIME. It's ridiculous. Some of you should go and watch, days of our lives or some shit to get your drama fix.
They need to fire Pettine for mishandling of the team, Gilbert, Manziel, Erving, Bowe, The FB position, Housler, the Defense and the DC. He's so far removed from reality that he's a detriment to this team, the franchise and the fanbase. This micromanaging of a QB's personal life when Pettine's team plays like shit, plays undisciplined, without heart and in essence, plays just like the coach coaches. He's too wrapped up in his jealousy for Manziel's attention that he can't focus on his job, it is showing a clear and decisive indicator that the Head Coaching job is just too big for him. He's a bum. He's not Paul Brown. This is not the 1950's. Pettine is a hypocrite. Benching Johnny made almost made Pettine giggle, you could see it in his presser... could barely stop himself from smiling about the situation.
All you Pettine apologists need to check your priorities. Last time I checked, the NFL was about winning football games. If we are not winning the Superbowl this year then we need to see how Manziel handles the starting QB job. Drink, party or whatever, if he fucks up ON THE FIELD then ship his ass out. BUT! Benching him because of reasons that have nothing to do with playing on the football field or reasons beyond the x's and o's is childish and a worse crime than whatever Manziel did or said.
Drink, party or whatever, if he fucks up ON THE FIELD
So his debut against Cincy wasn't bad enough last year? How about the Carolina game? No? Cincy this year perhaps?
Self admittedly not being anywhere near as prepared his rookie year. Promising to improve upon that his sophomore season. Saying he would put his nose to the grindstone when named the starter, getting in extra reps with his receivers and possibly his center. Film time off hours. Was the Hasselbeck reference above not enough for you? Kid was in rehab before before he was in his first pro bowl, for Christ sake.
Sit down, adults are talking.
edit: Basically the same for DieHard, as well.
double edit: ONE game. He's had one good game. It wasn't even a win. You don't go out and party when you're 2 and fucking 8. Some of you have never played team sports before on bad teams, that's for damn certain.
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The guys that are defending all this based on hypocrisy are exactly the kinds of people Johnny has been associating himself with. The folks who will make excuses for him, and won't tell him "no" or set any kind of boundaries. It doesn't help him...at all. I've been really, really hard on him. I didn't want to draft him. I knew from the start that the Johnny Football persona is bigger than the team. And I still feel he's his own worst enemy, but I am beginning to have some sympathy for him. This dude has been allowed to manipulate and do whatever he wants his whole life because he could ply football. Of course he's going to push the boundaries as far as he can until someone stops him. That simple. He needs someone around him that doesn't have a financial reason to be around him. Someone he can't control or fire. Haslam has given Johnny more power than his head coach. It's really too late, IMO, to change that now with any kind of credibility. I've heard the Eddie Haskell comparison and I do think its applicable, but what I see moreso is an out of control child star that's never been reigned in. And the sad part of it is the exploitation of him in the process.
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He shouldn't of lied, and i understand why they benched him, but Pettine handled the presser like a fucking pussy as well.
He shouldn't of lied, and i understand why they benched him, but Pettine handled the presser like a fucking pussy as well.
Fucking pussy? How so?
I will admit honestly, I'm a little upset at the situation.
I was actually rather excited to see Johnny play. He showed some good things against the Steelers and my hope is that perhaps I may have been wrong about him.
Substitute "saddened by" for "upset at" and pretty much nails my sentiments.
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He shouldn't of lied, and i understand why they benched him, but Pettine handled the presser like a fucking pussy as well.
Fucking pussy? How so?
I will admit honestly, I'm a little upset at the situation.
I was actually rather excited to see Johnny play. He showed some good things against the Steelers and my hope is that perhaps I may have been wrong about him.
Substitute "saddened by" for "upset at" and pretty much nails my sentiments.
Fucking pussy? How so?
Substitute "saddened by" for "upset at" and pretty much nails my sentiments.
John Belushi was a huge talent that often rendered himself too impossible to work with. Johnny Manziel is the football version of this. The only person he can blame for his own actions is himself.
The only question left to answer is how much rope is Jerry Jones going to give him?
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Fucking pussy? How so?
Substitute "saddened by" for "upset at" and pretty much nails my sentiments.
John Belushi was a huge talent that often rendered himself too impossible to work with. Johnny Manziel is the football version of this. The only person he can blame for his own actions is himself.
The only question left to answer is how much rope is Jerry Jones going to give him?
Absolutely Retard comparisonJohn Belushi was a huge talent that often rendered himself too impossible to work with. Johnny Manziel is the football version of this. The only person he can blame for his own actions is himself.
The only question left to answer is how much rope is Jerry Jones going to give him?
LOL Retard
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
Seriously, come this off season the team needs to finally cut their losses with these fuck ups like Josh and Johnny and actually start doing something about changing the culture instead of just talking about it every year. Get rid of these bad apples and set the bar high. Make sure the players know that only a 100% commitment to excellence will be tolerated and we might actually start seeing things improve... Or we can keep going down the same road waiting for these same players to fuck the team over once again. Does anyone actually think JM is going to not fuck up again?
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Johnny needs to start. Pettine needs to go. I didn't realize we had all sober bible thumpers in the Browns board.
Johnny needs to start. Pettine needs to go. I didn't realize we had all sober bible thumpers in the Browns board.
Far from a Bible thumper, but when I see someone going off the rails- I'm talking from personal experience. Three relatives wound up in AA, and a Fourth died from Cirrhosis.
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Drink, party or whatever, if he fucks up ON THE FIELD
So his debut against Cincy wasn't bad enough last year? How about the Carolina game? No? Cincy this year perhaps?
Self admittedly not being anywhere near as prepared his rookie year. Promising to improve upon that his sophomore season. Saying he would put his nose to the grindstone when named the starter, getting in extra reps with his receivers and possibly his center. Film time off hours. Was the Hasselbeck reference above not enough for you? Kid was in rehab before before he was in his first pro bowl, for Christ sake.
Sit down, adults are talking.
edit: Basically the same for DieHard, as well.
double edit: ONE game. He's had one good game. It wasn't even a win. You don't go out and party when you're 2 and fucking 8. Some of you have never played team sports before on bad teams, that's for damn certain.
.So his debut against Cincy wasn't bad enough last year? How about the Carolina game? No? Cincy this year perhaps?
Self admittedly not being anywhere near as prepared his rookie year. Promising to improve upon that his sophomore season. Saying he would put his nose to the grindstone when named the starter, getting in extra reps with his receivers and possibly his center. Film time off hours. Was the Hasselbeck reference above not enough for you? Kid was in rehab before before he was in his first pro bowl, for Christ sake.
Sit down, adults are talking.
edit: Basically the same for DieHard, as well.
double edit: ONE game. He's had one good game. It wasn't even a win. You don't go out and party when you're 2 and fucking 8. Some of you have never played team sports before on bad teams, that's for damn certain.
I've played for more than one bad team in my life - at more than one level - and the worse the team did, the more the players partied. It's easy to not give a shit when you're losing. It's much harder to not give a shit when you're winning.
What this has to do with Johnny? No idea - because the Browns won't post a winning record for at least another four years - long after Johnny is gone.
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Johnny needs to start. Pettine needs to go. I didn't realize we had all sober bible thumpers in the Browns board.
Far from a Bible thumper, but when I see someone going off the rails- I'm talking from personal experience. Three relatives wound up in AA, and a Fourth died from Cirrhosis.
Far from a Bible thumper, but when I see someone going off the rails- I'm talking from personal experience. Three relatives wound up in AA, and a Fourth died from Cirrhosis.
Wasn't referring to you. The personal lives of these players I don't care about. All I care about is their performance on the field. Period.
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Far from a Bible thumper, but when I see someone going off the rails- I'm talking from personal experience. Three relatives wound up in AA, and a Fourth died from Cirrhosis.
Wasn't referring to you. The personal lives of these players I don't care about. All I care about is their performance on the field. Period.
Wasn't referring to you. The personal lives of these players I don't care about. All I care about is their performance on the field. Period.
Well, Johnny's personal life has affected his ability to perform on the field- because he couldn't lay off the party circuit for one stinking week. When you tell the coach (and the media) one thing, do another, and then lie about it- draw your own conclusions.
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Just to inject a little humor, how funny would it be if McCown and Davis got hurt somehow and Manziel had to come in? That would be such a Cleveland Browns event to occur.
If they deactivate him for MNF, Hartline is the qb in that scenario.
hey stupid, He admits he is an alcoholic. Hey stupid, he was in rehab that you the taxpayer paid for. Hey dumbo, when you get out of rehab, not only are you not supposed to drink anymore, you are not supposed to hang out with people that do drink, go to bars that you once attended while still drinking and you are supposed to get a sponsor..I'll bet he has no sponsor and hangs with folks that party and goes to the same bars and nightclubs prior to his rehab.
Other than the taxpayer thing, Largely correct. Alcoholics have a big problem admitting to being one, and Johnny has never done so publicly. It takes many, many years for anyone who's in AA to safely hang out at a party where alcohol is being used- some avoid those situations like the plague, because they know they can't control themselves in that situation. BTW, NFL players probably have the best and most comprehensive health insurance in the country.
One of the things that I heard most from many former clients who were also substance abusers is that the entire thing was just totally baffling to them They could never understand that promises they made were absolutely sincere when they made them, but were broken by them at almost the first opportunity no matter what the personal cost or the loss of trust in them by persons they so wanted to have trust in them. It's a baffling, self destructive disease which the abuser himself cannot understand other than that it continues to destroy what they want the most despite all desire to the contrary. JM is in this trap. It has nothing to do whatsoever with whether he wants to be a Brown or a good NFL QB. It has to do with something that right now he has no control of nor understanding of why it is happening. It would be easy to just call him stupid. But that isn't it at all. He is in fine company with many highly intelligent and highly talented people who have traveled this exact same path.
And yes, he is still totally responsible for the outcome. This one is on him, not Pettine or anyone else. Pettine is doing exactly what he should. It's called tough love. You reluctantly and sadly follow through with exactly what you said you would do if he could not control his off the field behavior. Have a seat JM and get professional help again. It didn't take.
By the way my definition of an alcohol problem is that if alcohol is causing you a problem, then you have an alcohol problem. Using that well known definition to AA members, if you lose your starting job as an NFL QB to a video of yourself gone viral with a bottle in your hand, then you have an alcohol problem because it just caused you to lose your dream in less than a minute. Find a sponsor and lose all those enablers including the "friends" in Austin and the drunk girlfriend. That is just the first step. Not one of them has your best interest at heart JM. Not one!
@BenVolin: Jay Glazer says on Fox that Manziel was demoted to No. 3 QB not just bc of that video but bc he lied to #Browns and said it was an old video
I can't add much to what AG said- he's preaching the Gospel truth. But that he lied is telling. I'm sure AG will ditto that's routine with guys who have a serious drinking problem and want to cover it up. And this is serious, guys. PG- anyone that still wants to say he went to rehab for anything but booze has their head in the sand. His heavy drinking since high school is well documented. It took him around 2 months out of rehab to fall back into the same bad habits. The rumors he was spotted in Cleveland bars on numerous occasions. The the admission he had been drinking with drunk GF. EDIT: Recent report he was spotted in a Columbus Nightclub until really late after the OSU- MSU game. The the latest in Texas. Reports it wasn't just "a few" over two days. I haven't seen the video, but the one picture I saw of him- he looks pretty shit faced. If he's thinking "I can control my drinking"- you're already out of control.
A guy on another board made an excellent comment. 50 years ago quarterbacks like Namath, Stabler and Meredith could get away with partying their asses off, and still compete. The league has changed, and those days are long gone.
That the Browns have been willing to work with him given the circumstances is pretty amazing. Fer sure, either Johnny gets his act together, or he's going to be out of football in a year or two. Chris Carter said way back the Browns should have cut him- for a real serious wake up call.
I'll paraphrase a post of mine from Summer 2014 when JM was partying in Vegas and all the back and forth of "he's a grown man and can do what he wants" was going on. JM already had a rep as a party animal when he was drafted. He assured everyone he had grown up and matured and that all of that was in the rear-view mirror. This was well before the swan and the rolled up bill, etc., etc. etc. And now in November 2015 NOTHING has changed. It's the same fucking thing all over again. Even if you accept the argument that he is a grown ass man and can do what he wants in his spare time, it still goes back to the fact that this was all self-inflicted. He knew going in how this would be perceived and he said "Fuck it, I'm going to party in Austin." Even if he didn't have a drop to drink and was just acting like an idiot, he FUCKING KNEW how it would be perceived. By a large portion of the fans, and certainly by the coaches and front office. And he said "Fuck it" and did it anyway. Self-inflicted. I'm certainly not a religious, holier-than-thou with a stick up my ass. This was simple common sense and entirely avoidable.
If they deactivate him for MNF, Hartline is the qb in that scenario.
Other than the taxpayer thing, Largely correct. Alcoholics have a big problem admitting to being one, and Johnny has never done so publicly. It takes many, many years for anyone who's in AA to safely hang out at a party where alcohol is being used- some avoid those situations like the plague, because they know they can't control themselves in that situation. BTW, NFL players probably have the best and most comprehensive health insurance in the country.
I can't add much to what AG said- he's preaching the Gospel truth. But that he lied is telling. I'm sure AG will ditto that's routine with guys who have a serious drinking problem and want to cover it up. And this is serious, guys. PG- anyone that still wants to say he went to rehab for anything but booze has their head in the sand. His heavy drinking since high school is well documented. It took him around 2 months out of rehab to fall back into the same bad habits. The rumors he was spotted in Cleveland bars on numerous occasions. The the admission he had been drinking with drunk GF. EDIT: Recent report he was spotted in a Columbus Nightclub until really late after the OSU- MSU game. The the latest in Texas. Reports it wasn't just "a few" over two days. I haven't seen the video, but the one picture I saw of him- he looks pretty shit faced. If he's thinking "I can control my drinking"- you're already out of control.
A guy on another board made an excellent comment. 50 years ago quarterbacks like Namath, Stabler and Meredith could get away with partying their asses off, and still compete. The league has changed, and those days are long gone.
That the Browns have been willing to work with him given the circumstances is pretty amazing. Fer sure, either Johnny gets his act together, or he's going to be out of football in a year or two. Chris Carter said way back the Browns should have cut him- for a real serious wake up call.
Exactly.
And, for the love of god, will people please stop using Namath, Stabler, Kilmer, and Mickey Mantle, among others, as a comparison for why we should be cutting Johnny some slack. If the difference between Namath/Mantle, etc. and JM really needs to be explained, then I can't help you.
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Wasn't referring to you. The personal lives of these players I don't care about. All I care about is their performance on the field. Period.
Well, Johnny's personal life has affected his ability to perform on the field- because he couldn't lay off the party circuit for one stinking week. When you tell the coach (and the media) one thing, do another, and then lie about it- draw your own conclusions.
Well, Johnny's personal life has affected his ability to perform on the field- because he couldn't lay off the party circuit for one stinking week. When you tell the coach (and the media) one thing, do another, and then lie about it- draw your own conclusions.
His performance has improved dramatically over last year, last game as an example.
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Well, Johnny's personal life has affected his ability to perform on the field- because he couldn't lay off the party circuit for one stinking week. When you tell the coach (and the media) one thing, do another, and then lie about it- draw your own conclusions.
His performance has improved dramatically over last year, last game as an example.
His performance has improved dramatically over last year, last game as an example.
That's the only frickin' reason he's still around. That and being a first round pick. If he was a no-name low rounder, he'd already be long gone.
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Bible thumpers. First time in my entire life I hve bee associated with that group. My concern comes from a lifetime of work watching people wreck their lives and spend years trying to recover. I don't want to see the same happen to a very talented player with a very bright future if he learns now, not tomorrow, is the time to address this before he loses everything. I've seen it first hand way too many times and it's not drama I can tell you, it's devastating.
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Screw the soap opera of how 'devastating' it is. If he performs he should play. Not like he held up a bank after drinking 2 quarts of MD20-20 and smoking crack.
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Screw the soap opera of how 'devastating' it is. If he performs he should play. Not like he held up a bank after drinking 2 quarts of MD20-20 and smoking crack.
Screw the soap opera of how 'devastating' it is. If he performs he should play. Not like he held up a bank after drinking 2 quarts of MD20-20 and smoking crack.
His off field actions have previously lead to him NOT being able to perform on the field to the degree capable.
The coaching staff feels he might be slipping back into that pattern. Honestly, how in the fuck is that so hard to understand?
If he isn't preparing as much as humanly possible, as much as your backup QB (McCown) then he clearly isn't the best option for this team.
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Screw the soap opera of how 'devastating' it is. If he performs he should play. Not like he held up a bank after drinking 2 quarts of MD20-20 and smoking crack.
His off field actions have previously lead to him NOT being able to perform on the field to the degree capable.
The coaching staff feels he might be slipping back into that pattern. Honestly, how in the fuck is that so hard to understand?
If he isn't preparing as much as humanly possible, as much as your backup QB (McCown) then he clearly isn't the best option for this team.
His off field actions have previously lead to him NOT being able to perform on the field to the degree capable.
The coaching staff feels he might be slipping back into that pattern. Honestly, how in the fuck is that so hard to understand?
If he isn't preparing as much as humanly possible, as much as your backup QB (McCown) then he clearly isn't the best option for this team.
Previously has nothing to do with currently. He has improved according to Pettine himself.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
OK, just saw this one- from the Guy who did the "Factory of Sadness Video- funny stuff.
http://fox8.com/2015/11/25/watch-mike-polk-returns-for-a-very-special-edition-of-browns-hangover/
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