Pryor is back Baby!
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Yes, you're right. Trading up to take a back in the third round screams of "I don't want a runningback".
I'm glad you can point out these "can't miss" Alabama runningbacks - because there are so few of them recently.
Traded up, and got West- who moved East to Baltimore. I don't mind so much that he busted- but we gave away a pick in the process that just maybe wouldn't have.
Who's doing the research for Farmer on character issues? Should be fired.
Traded up, and got West- who moved East to Baltimore. I don't mind so much that he busted- but we gave away a pick in the process that just maybe wouldn't have.
Who's doing the research for Farmer on character issues? Should be fired.
I'm more of the mindset that I'd rather rid myself of a guy who probably won't do anything immediately, rather than have him waste a roster spot for a while.
It would be different if West and Mayle went on to do something somewhere, but they haven't thus far.
West was worth a look, we didn't like what we saw, we moved on. Mayle was a decent value and had potential, but was either an asshole or just Greg Little 2.0, so we moved on.
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Traded up, and got West- who moved East to Baltimore. I don't mind so much that he busted- but we gave away a pick in the process that just maybe wouldn't have.
Who's doing the research for Farmer on character issues? Should be fired.
I'm more of the mindset that I'd rather rid myself of a guy who probably won't do anything immediately, rather than have him waste a roster spot for a while.
It would be different if West and Mayle went on to do something somewhere, but they haven't thus far.
West was worth a look, we didn't like what we saw, we moved on. Mayle was a decent value and had potential, but was either an asshole or just Greg Little 2.0, so we moved on.
I'm more of the mindset that I'd rather rid myself of a guy who probably won't do anything immediately, rather than have him waste a roster spot for a while.
It would be different if West and Mayle went on to do something somewhere, but they haven't thus far.
West was worth a look, we didn't like what we saw, we moved on. Mayle was a decent value and had potential, but was either an asshole or just Greg Little 2.0, so we moved on.
& this is the crazy thing TC. Then WHY are we wasting a roster spot on Bowe? Just to soothe Farmer's ego that he made a monumental f**kup? We brought back Pryor. Hell, I'd even bring back Josh Lenz- who would at least give a damn how he plays.
There has to be some disconnect between Pettine and Farmer. Mike is seeing these guys every day in practice, and breaks down every play they're involved in. He's obviously determined (backed up by Gruden) that Bowe is a worthless, overpaid POS. At least the argument can be made Gilbert "can be coached up".
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I'm more of the mindset that I'd rather rid myself of a guy who probably won't do anything immediately, rather than have him waste a roster spot for a while.
It would be different if West and Mayle went on to do something somewhere, but they haven't thus far.
West was worth a look, we didn't like what we saw, we moved on. Mayle was a decent value and had potential, but was either an asshole or just Greg Little 2.0, so we moved on.
& this is the crazy thing TC. Then WHY are we wasting a roster spot on Bowe? Just to soothe Farmer's ego that he made a monumental f**kup? We brought back Pryor. Hell, I'd even bring back Josh Lenz- who would at least give a damn how he plays.
There has to be some disconnect between Pettine and Farmer. Mike is seeing these guys every day in practice, and breaks down every play they're involved in. He's obviously determined (backed up by Gruden) that Bowe is a worthless, overpaid POS. At least the argument can be made Gilbert "can be coached up".
& this is the crazy thing TC. Then WHY are we wasting a roster spot on Bowe? Just to soothe Farmer's ego that he made a monumental f**kup? We brought back Pryor. Hell, I'd even bring back Josh Lenz- who would at least give a damn how he plays.
Good question. He was only on a 1 year deal anyway right? I say suck up the loss and give a few game reps to some prospects - it's not like we're playing for anything...or have any serious talent at WR where we have no room for a prospect (especially with Hawkins and Gabriel out)
I mean if Bowe isn't getting reps with a wide receiver squad of Travis Benjamin, Brian Hartline, and Marlon Moore - just suck it up and cut the guy
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I'm more of the mindset that I'd rather rid myself of a guy who probably won't do anything immediately, rather than have him waste a roster spot for a while.
It would be different if West and Mayle went on to do something somewhere, but they haven't thus far.
West was worth a look, we didn't like what we saw, we moved on. Mayle was a decent value and had potential, but was either an asshole or just Greg Little 2.0, so we moved on.
& this is the crazy thing TC. Then WHY are we wasting a roster spot on Bowe? Just to soothe Farmer's ego that he made a monumental f**kup? We brought back Pryor. Hell, I'd even bring back Josh Lenz- who would at least give a damn how he plays.
There has to be some disconnect between Pettine and Farmer. Mike is seeing these guys every day in practice, and breaks down every play they're involved in. He's obviously determined (backed up by Gruden) that Bowe is a worthless, overpaid POS. At least the argument can be made Gilbert "can be coached up".
& this is the crazy thing TC. Then WHY are we wasting a roster spot on Bowe? Just to soothe Farmer's ego that he made a monumental f**kup? We brought back Pryor. Hell, I'd even bring back Josh Lenz- who would at least give a damn how he plays.
There has to be some disconnect between Pettine and Farmer. Mike is seeing these guys every day in practice, and breaks down every play they're involved in. He's obviously determined (backed up by Gruden) that Bowe is a worthless, overpaid POS. At least the argument can be made Gilbert "can be coached up".
The Bowe acquisition made sense. He filled a void, he was a proven veteran talent, and we HAD to spend the money. Why we're hanging on to him? No idea.
I agree that there is a giant disconnect between Pettine and Farmer, I think it's very apparent. The fact that it's in Pettine's contract that he has final say on game day rosters is very telling of what is happening with Manziel, Gilbert, Bowe, etc.
Manziel, Gilbert and Bowe are in Pettine's dog house and won't get any playing time as long as Pettine is coach. This was pointed out in an OBR article not too long ago about how Pettine treats players.
Problem is...Manziel (and probably Gilbert) are FO guys. No doubt Haslam wants to see Manziel on the field, and Gilbert on the sideline is doing nobody any good. Pettine won't play them, and isn't contractually obliged to listen to Farmer et al on his roster.
I think the TP fiasco is the same - TP was a Farmer acquisition. Farmer goes on suspension and TP is cut, replaced by Turbin. Farmer comes back, cuts Turbin, and now we have TP again.
It's a power struggle, and it's one that Pettine isn't going to win. Because say what you will of Farmer - he's done his portion of the job better than Pettine has.
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I have to agree with TCPO on this one. Browns fans believe this mess can be fixed in 2-3 years. Well guess what it cant. I would die to have the browns be an "average" looking football team. Everyone keeps beating their chest demanding we find a qb that is going to lead us to the super bowl. Meanwhile we haven't had a RB that has tallied more than 40 yards in 6 straight games. Manziel fags kept calling McCown and Hoyer average like we are so sick and tired of all the "average" qbs walking into Berea.
I have to agree with TCPO on this one. Browns fans believe this mess can be fixed in 2-3 years. Well guess what it cant.
Yes, it can. Easily. It would take only at most 3-4 players....and better coaching....which is the main key.
I would die to have the browns be an "average" looking football team. Everyone keeps beating their chest demanding we find a qb that is going to lead us to the super bowl. Meanwhile we haven't had a RB that has tallied more than 40 yards in 6 straight games. Manziel fags kept calling McCown and Hoyer average like we are so sick and tired of all the "average" qbs walking into Berea.
And....of course one of those player must be a quality QB.
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Derrick Henry is Brandon Jacobs v2. Not an elite RB prospect.
This guy is a tool but I agree with him: https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/665716844628590592?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Matt Miller@nfldraftscoutDerrick Henry is Marcel Reese, or Brandon Jacobs, in the NFL. Lacks agility/wiggle to ever break free vs pros. Could be good short-yard guy -
Derrick Henry is Brandon Jacobs v2. Not an elite RB prospect.
This guy is a tool but I agree with him: https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/665716844628590592?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Matt Miller@nfldraftscoutDerrick Henry is Marcel Reese, or Brandon Jacobs, in the NFL. Lacks agility/wiggle to ever break free vs pros. Could be good short-yard guyDerrick Henry is Brandon Jacobs v2. Not an elite RB prospect.
This guy is a tool but I agree with him: https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/665716844628590592?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Brandon Jones 6'1" 210 lbs.
Henry 6'3" 238 lbs.
There is no comparison when the Browns need a power back to move the ball 3-4 yards regularly compared to the pathetic output we see now. And those that compare him to Richardson are similarly mistaken. Henry goes where the play is designed, might make a small move or two and then runs through arm tackles or powers over LBs. when needed. When he does clear them he turns on the speed. He also is there for the second half unlike what we see now.
Form your own opinion by watching him this Saturday in the SEC championship game. Then come back and say what you saw. Watch the entire game. He plays better the more carries he gets.
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& this is the crazy thing TC. Then WHY are we wasting a roster spot on Bowe? Just to soothe Farmer's ego that he made a monumental f**kup? We brought back Pryor. Hell, I'd even bring back Josh Lenz- who would at least give a damn how he plays.
There has to be some disconnect between Pettine and Farmer. Mike is seeing these guys every day in practice, and breaks down every play they're involved in. He's obviously determined (backed up by Gruden) that Bowe is a worthless, overpaid POS. At least the argument can be made Gilbert "can be coached up".
The Bowe acquisition made sense. He filled a void, he was a proven veteran talent, and we HAD to spend the money. Why we're hanging on to him? No idea.
I agree that there is a giant disconnect between Pettine and Farmer, I think it's very apparent. The fact that it's in Pettine's contract that he has final say on game day rosters is very telling of what is happening with Manziel, Gilbert, Bowe, etc.
Manziel, Gilbert and Bowe are in Pettine's dog house and won't get any playing time as long as Pettine is coach. This was pointed out in an OBR article not too long ago about how Pettine treats players.
Problem is...Manziel (and probably Gilbert) are FO guys. No doubt Haslam wants to see Manziel on the field, and Gilbert on the sideline is doing nobody any good. Pettine won't play them, and isn't contractually obliged to listen to Farmer et al on his roster.
I think the TP fiasco is the same - TP was a Farmer acquisition. Farmer goes on suspension and TP is cut, replaced by Turbin. Farmer comes back, cuts Turbin, and now we have TP again.
It's a power struggle, and it's one that Pettine isn't going to win. Because say what you will of Farmer - he's done his portion of the job better than Pettine has.
It's a power struggle, and it's one that Pettine isn't going to win. Because say what you will of Farmer - he's done his portion of the job better than Pettine has.
you're an ass.
you just said how all these farmer acquisitions suck but then say that farmer has done his job better than pettine. then go on to say pettine sees these players perform in practice everyday and decides who plays given their performance...
WTF??
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Just on my way to verifying when we picked Little, when I saw that in 2014 Farmer made two draft day trades on Day 1.
I remembered the trade-up for JM at #22, but forgot it cost us #26 and a 3rd round.
But I completely forgot we traded up from #9 to #8 for Gilbert and that cost us a 5th.
I think I'll go lie down a while...
Actually, three. We traded out of four, picked up a 2015 first and fourth.
Then moved up from 9 to 8 and sacrificed a fifth.
Then moved up again from 26 to 22 and forfeited a third.
So we turned #4 and #26 into Gilbert, Manziel and Erving.
Actually, three. We traded out of four, picked up a 2015 first and fourth.
Yes... I was fixated on bad trades...
Go watch his Auburn tape. 46 carries and he never slowed down. The last was a 25 yd. TD where he left 2nd and 3rd levels in the dust. He's a warrior.
Beastliness is not among my concerns.
The Bowe acquisition made sense. He filled a void, he was a proven veteran talent, and we HAD to spend the money. Why we're hanging on to him? No idea.
I agree that there is a giant disconnect between Pettine and Farmer, I think it's very apparent. The fact that it's in Pettine's contract that he has final say on game day rosters is very telling of what is happening with Manziel, Gilbert, Bowe, etc.
Manziel, Gilbert and Bowe are in Pettine's dog house and won't get any playing time as long as Pettine is coach. This was pointed out in an OBR article not too long ago about how Pettine treats players.
"Proven, veteran talent..." maybe, but also proven to be in decline from whatever talent was once displayed. As for why Bowe is still here... can't say for sure, but has the look of a Farmer move meant to stick a finger in Pet's eye.
Still not buying the dog house argument at least not in general. Possibly has some validity when it comes to JM, but JM has done his damned best to earn the pine. Absolutely no sale here when it comes to Gilbert and Bowe.
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It's a power struggle, and it's one that Pettine isn't going to win. Because say what you will of Farmer - he's done his portion of the job better than Pettine has.
you're an ass.
you just said how all these farmer acquisitions suck but then say that farmer has done his job better than pettine. then go on to say pettine sees these players perform in practice everyday and decides who plays given their performance...
WTF??
you're an ass.
you just said how all these farmer acquisitions suck but then say that farmer has done his job better than pettine. then go on to say pettine sees these players perform in practice everyday and decides who plays given their performance...
WTF??
I think your reading comprehension is slipping in your old age.
I like Farmer's acquisitions. They were made to support the plan Pettine wanted to implement, and Pettine dropped the ball by being ill prepared and playing favorites.
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Actually, three. We traded out of four, picked up a 2015 first and fourth.
Yes... I was fixated on bad trades...
Go watch his Auburn tape. 46 carries and he never slowed down. The last was a 25 yd. TD where he left 2nd and 3rd levels in the dust. He's a warrior.
Beastliness is not among my concerns.
The Bowe acquisition made sense. He filled a void, he was a proven veteran talent, and we HAD to spend the money. Why we're hanging on to him? No idea.
I agree that there is a giant disconnect between Pettine and Farmer, I think it's very apparent. The fact that it's in Pettine's contract that he has final say on game day rosters is very telling of what is happening with Manziel, Gilbert, Bowe, etc.
Manziel, Gilbert and Bowe are in Pettine's dog house and won't get any playing time as long as Pettine is coach. This was pointed out in an OBR article not too long ago about how Pettine treats players.
"Proven, veteran talent..." maybe, but also proven to be in decline from whatever talent was once displayed. As for why Bowe is still here... can't say for sure, but has the look of a Farmer move meant to stick a finger in Pet's eye.
Still not buying the dog house argument at least not in general. Possibly has some validity when it comes to JM, but JM has done his damned best to earn the pine. Absolutely no sale here when it comes to Gilbert and Bowe.
Yes... I was fixated on bad trades...
Beastliness is not among my concerns.
"Proven, veteran talent..." maybe, but also proven to be in decline from whatever talent was once displayed. As for why Bowe is still here... can't say for sure, but has the look of a Farmer move meant to stick a finger in Pet's eye.
Still not buying the dog house argument at least not in general. Possibly has some validity when it comes to JM, but JM has done his damned best to earn the pine. Absolutely no sale here when it comes to Gilbert and Bowe.
I wouldn't be continuing to harp on it if I didn't get some validation from the article on OBR.
Here's a link to some of the content: http://www.fans247.com/showthread.php?63561-A-Cleveland-Browns-Confidant-Speaks-on-Front-Office-Coaching-Tensions
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Derrick Henry is Brandon Jacobs v2. Not an elite RB prospect.
This guy is a tool but I agree with him: https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/665716844628590592?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Brandon Jones 6'1" 210 lbs.
Henry 6'3" 238 lbs.
There is no comparison when the Browns need a power back to move the ball 3-4 yards regularly compared to the pathetic output we see now. And those that compare him to Richardson are similarly mistaken. Henry goes where the play is designed, might make a small move or two and then runs through arm tackles or powers over LBs. when needed. When he does clear them he turns on the speed. He also is there for the second half unlike what we see now.
Form your own opinion by watching him this Saturday in the SEC championship game. Then come back and say what you saw. Watch the entire game. He plays better the more carries he gets.
Brandon Jones 6'1" 210 lbs.
Henry 6'3" 238 lbs.
There is no comparison when the Browns need a power back to move the ball 3-4 yards regularly compared to the pathetic output we see now. And those that compare him to Richardson are similarly mistaken. Henry goes where the play is designed, might make a small move or two and then runs through arm tackles or powers over LBs. when needed. When he does clear them he turns on the speed. He also is there for the second half unlike what we see now.
Form your own opinion by watching him this Saturday in the SEC championship game. Then come back and say what you saw. Watch the entire game. He plays better the more carries he gets.
Jacobs =/= Jones
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you're an ass.
you just said how all these farmer acquisitions suck but then say that farmer has done his job better than pettine. then go on to say pettine sees these players perform in practice everyday and decides who plays given their performance...
WTF??
I think your reading comprehension is slipping in your old age.
I like Farmer's acquisitions. They were made to support the plan Pettine wanted to implement, and Pettine dropped the ball by being ill prepared and playing favorites.
I think your reading comprehension is slipping in your old age.
I like Farmer's acquisitions. They were made to support the plan Pettine wanted to implement, and Pettine dropped the ball by being ill prepared and playing favorites.
so we'll give the players more time to learn to execute the coach's plan than the coach himself?
great biz plan!
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I think your reading comprehension is slipping in your old age.
I like Farmer's acquisitions. They were made to support the plan Pettine wanted to implement, and Pettine dropped the ball by being ill prepared and playing favorites.
so we'll give the players more time to learn to execute the coach's plan than the coach himself?
great biz plan!
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Brandon Jones 6'1" 210 lbs.
Henry 6'3" 238 lbs.
There is no comparison when the Browns need a power back to move the ball 3-4 yards regularly compared to the pathetic output we see now. And those that compare him to Richardson are similarly mistaken. Henry goes where the play is designed, might make a small move or two and then runs through arm tackles or powers over LBs. when needed. When he does clear them he turns on the speed. He also is there for the second half unlike what we see now.
Form your own opinion by watching him this Saturday in the SEC championship game. Then come back and say what you saw. Watch the entire game. He plays better the more carries he gets.
Jacobs =/= Jones
Height: 6′ 4″40 yard dash time: 4.56 secondsWeight: 264 lbsMy bad. Misread the last name. Better clean my reading glasses. Anyway it's worth watching him this Sat. to see what you think. He's a gamer.
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Henry has slow feet which is a must in the backfield. Yes, he's got tremendous endurance and he makes 3 yards out of 1 and 1 out of -2. That's a good quality in the NFL, but it's not "take me in the first round." EZE is better than him for the NFL.
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Yes... I was fixated on bad trades...
Beastliness is not among my concerns.
"Proven, veteran talent..." maybe, but also proven to be in decline from whatever talent was once displayed. As for why Bowe is still here... can't say for sure, but has the look of a Farmer move meant to stick a finger in Pet's eye.
Still not buying the dog house argument at least not in general. Possibly has some validity when it comes to JM, but JM has done his damned best to earn the pine. Absolutely no sale here when it comes to Gilbert and Bowe.
I wouldn't be continuing to harp on it if I didn't get some validation from the article on OBR.
Here's a link to some of the content: http://www.fans247.com/showthread.php?63561-A-Cleveland-Browns-Confidant-Speaks-on-Front-Office-Coaching-Tensions
Kinda where I am, war... but still looking.
I wouldn't be continuing to harp on it if I didn't get some validation from the article on OBR.
Here's a link to some of the content: http://www.fans247.com/showthread.php?63561-A-Cleveland-Browns-Confidant-Speaks-on-Front-Office-Coaching-Tensions
And that's fine, TC. Just an honest disagreement of opinions... and I respect yours and give it more weight on more topics than most here. Whereas OBR means nothing to me.
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I'm not sure why anyone thinks the FO can either evaluate and/or develop talent.
They cut Charles Johnson and Dion Lewis and continue to start Malcom Johnson at FB..
So the Pryor saga is just more of the same inconsistent approach
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Henry has slow feet which is a must in the backfield. Yes, he's got tremendous endurance and he makes 3 yards out of 1 and 1 out of -2. That's a good quality in the NFL, but it's not "take me in the first round." EZE is better than him for the NFL.
Henry has slow feet which is a must in the backfield. Yes, he's got tremendous endurance and he makes 3 yards out of 1 and 1 out of -2. That's a good quality in the NFL, but it's not "take me in the first round." EZE is better than him for the NFL.
I don't disagree with where he goes in the draft (we have greater needs), but since we pick high in the second then we need to get him. If that means moving up a few spots into the 1st then that also would be a decent move. We need a player who can get the tough yards inside but also has the breakaway speed when he clears the LB's to score from 30-40 yds out. He reminds me of Eric Dickerson in that I think they share a long stride that accelerates the further the run goes.
PS-Elliott will be long gone by the time late 1st round comes up.
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