The Dysphoric Empire
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Remember this one: A Boy and his Dog. Don Johnson, pre Miami Vice
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They call the Browns Stadium the "Factory of Sadness".....but lets give a new moniker to the entire organization....especially the front office: I come up with "The Dysphoric Empire"
Here listed are the architects of that Empire. By year, these are the people that have been running this inept show...since 1999. Each year I will list the Owner/Team President/GM/HC:
Year...Owner................Team President............General Manager.....Head Coach
1999...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2000...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2001...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2002...Al/Randy Lerner..Carmen Policy...........Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2003...Randy Lerner....Carmen Policy.............Butch Davis...............Butch Davis
2004...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Butch Davis/ vacant..Butch Davis/Terry Robiskie
2005...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2006...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2007...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2008...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2009...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................George Kokinis..........Eric Mangini
2010...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Eric Mangini
2011...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2012...Lerner/Haslam...Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2013...Jimmy Haslam...Joe Banner..................Mike Lombardi............Rob Chudzinski
2014..Jimmy Haslam....Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
2015...Jimmy Haslam...Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
They call the Browns Stadium the "Factory of Sadness".....but lets give a new moniker to the entire organization....especially the front office: I come up with "The Dysphoric Empire"
Here listed are the architects of that Empire. By year, these are the people that have been running this inept show...since 1999. Each year I will list the Owner/Team President/GM/HC:
Year...Owner................Team President............General Manager.....Head Coach
1999...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2000...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2001...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2002...Al/Randy Lerner..Carmen Policy...........Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2003...Randy Lerner....Carmen Policy.............Butch Davis...............Butch Davis
2004...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Butch Davis/ vacant..Butch Davis/Terry Robiskie
2005...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2006...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2007...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2008...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2009...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................George Kokinis..........Eric Mangini
2010...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Eric Mangini
2011...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2012...Lerner/Haslam...Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2013...Jimmy Haslam...Joe Banner..................Mike Lombardi............Rob Chudzinski
2014..Jimmy Haslam....Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
2015...Jimmy Haslam...Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
ugly, very very ugly...
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Couple random thoughts...
I remember thinking Lerner/Policy/Clark looked like a dream team.
If we had to pick a GM since '99 to go forward with, who better than Heckert?
IMO, Heckert has been the best since '99.If we had to pick a GM since '99 to go forward with, who better than Heckert?
Mangini the worst.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Remember this one: A Boy and his Dog. Don Johnson, pre Miami Vice
They eat the girlRemember this one: A Boy and his Dog. Don Johnson, pre Miami Vice
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They call the Browns Stadium the "Factory of Sadness".....but lets give a new moniker to the entire organization....especially the front office: I come up with "The Dysphoric Empire"
Here listed are the architects of that Empire. By year, these are the people that have been running this inept show...since 1999. Each year I will list the Owner/Team President/GM/HC:
Year...Owner................Team President............General Manager.....Head Coach
1999...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2000...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2001...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2002...Al/Randy Lerner..Carmen Policy...........Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2003...Randy Lerner....Carmen Policy.............Butch Davis...............Butch Davis
2004...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Butch Davis/ vacant..Butch Davis/Terry Robiskie
2005...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2006...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2007...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2008...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2009...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................George Kokinis..........Eric Mangini
2010...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Eric Mangini
2011...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2012...Lerner/Haslam...Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2013...Jimmy Haslam...Joe Banner..................Mike Lombardi............Rob Chudzinski
2014..Jimmy Haslam....Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
2015...Jimmy Haslam...Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
They call the Browns Stadium the "Factory of Sadness".....but lets give a new moniker to the entire organization....especially the front office: I come up with "The Dysphoric Empire"
Here listed are the architects of that Empire. By year, these are the people that have been running this inept show...since 1999. Each year I will list the Owner/Team President/GM/HC:
Year...Owner................Team President............General Manager.....Head Coach
1999...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2000...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2001...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2002...Al/Randy Lerner..Carmen Policy...........Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2003...Randy Lerner....Carmen Policy.............Butch Davis...............Butch Davis
2004...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Butch Davis/ vacant..Butch Davis/Terry Robiskie
2005...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2006...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2007...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2008...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2009...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................George Kokinis..........Eric Mangini
2010...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Eric Mangini
2011...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2012...Lerner/Haslam...Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2013...Jimmy Haslam...Joe Banner..................Mike Lombardi............Rob Chudzinski
2014..Jimmy Haslam....Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
2015...Jimmy Haslam...Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
and some board memebers complain about continuity. Would you want continuity with any of these gems. Chris carter on mike and mike today. Multiple problems exist. First of all they stink. Why he said. He answers lack of talent, poor coaching. gm's are a disaster. To me this all points to the owner. golic in response says yes lack of talent. He says, "do you see any of these players, coaches, etc that go to other teams flourish?". They all shook their heads no. There is the proof. You can have continuity if the participants know what they are doing and are going in the right direction, but we have participants that have no clue whatsoever. Good analogy is matt millen. Look what he did with the lions. He firmly admits, he did not know what he was doing. We have had many matt millens and still have them today....
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They call the Browns Stadium the "Factory of Sadness".....but lets give a new moniker to the entire organization....especially the front office: I come up with "The Dysphoric Empire"
Here listed are the architects of that Empire. By year, these are the people that have been running this inept show...since 1999. Each year I will list the Owner/Team President/GM/HC:
Year...Owner................Team President............General Manager.....Head Coach
1999...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2000...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Chris Palmer
2001...Al Lerner..........Carmen Policy..............Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2002...Al/Randy Lerner..Carmen Policy...........Dwight Clark..............Butch Davis
2003...Randy Lerner....Carmen Policy.............Butch Davis...............Butch Davis
2004...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Butch Davis/ vacant..Butch Davis/Terry Robiskie
2005...Randy Lerner....John Collins.................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2006...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2007...Randy Lerner....Randy Lerner...............Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2008...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................Phil Savage...............Romeo Crennell
2009...Randy Lerner....Mike Keenan................George Kokinis..........Eric Mangini
2010...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Eric Mangini
2011...Randy Lerner....Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2012...Lerner/Haslam...Mike Holmgren.............Tom Heckert...............Pat Shurmur
2013...Jimmy Haslam...Joe Banner..................Mike Lombardi............Rob Chudzinski
2014..Jimmy Haslam....Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
2015...Jimmy Haslam...Alec Scheiner..............Ray Farmer................Mike Pettine
and some board memebers complain about continuity. Would you want continuity with any of these gems. Chris carter on mike and mike today. Multiple problems exist. First of all they stink. Why he said. He answers lack of talent, poor coaching. gm's are a disaster. To me this all points to the owner. golic in response says yes lack of talent. He says, "do you see any of these players, coaches, etc that go to other teams flourish?". They all shook their heads no. There is the proof. You can have continuity if the participants know what they are doing and are going in the right direction, but we have participants that have no clue whatsoever. Good analogy is matt millen. Look what he did with the lions. He firmly admits, he did not know what he was doing. We have had many matt millens and still have them today....
and some board memebers complain about continuity. Would you want continuity with any of these gems. Chris carter on mike and mike today. Multiple problems exist. First of all they stink. Why he said. He answers lack of talent, poor coaching. gm's are a disaster. To me this all points to the owner. golic in response says yes lack of talent. He says, "do you see any of these players, coaches, etc that go to other teams flourish?". They all shook their heads no. There is the proof. You can have continuity if the participants know what they are doing and are going in the right direction, but we have participants that have no clue whatsoever. Good analogy is matt millen. Look what he did with the lions. He firmly admits, he did not know what he was doing. We have had many matt millens and still have them today....
Except I still think that a lot of talent is here. Yes, they are missing good players at some key positions. But spot by spot, position by position, they have talent.
They have missed on 1st rounders, clearly. But, with the right GM/HC,,,and a few new good players (a real QB)...this team could contend.
It really just has been bad management....not the personell.
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Let's look closer at what each GM brought to this Dysphoric Empire. I will list who they chose in the critical first 3 rounds of the draft (though, yes, I understand that a GM can make or break his career in the later rounds.....but we will just look at these...but at the end perhaps give some notable lower round picks.
Dwight Clark
1999: Couch, Kevin Johnson, Raheem Abdullah, Daylon McCutcheon2000: Courtney Brown, Travice Prentice, Dennis Northcutt, JaJuan Dawson
2001: Gerard Warren, Quincy Morgan, James Jackson
2002: William Green, Andre Davis, Melvin Fowler
Lower picks OK: Anthony Henry
Butch Davis:
2003: Jeff Faine, Chaun Thompson, Chris Crocker
2004: Kellen Winslow II, Sean Jones
Phil Savage:
2005: Braylon Edwards, Brodney Pool, Charlie Frye
2006: Kameron Wimbley, DQwell Jackson, Travis Wilson
2007: Joe Thomas, Brady Quinn, Erick Wright
2008: traded away all picks in 1st 3 rounds
Lower picks OK: Ahtyba Rubin
George Kokins:
2009: Alex Mack, Brian Robiskie, Mohammed Massaquoi, David Veikune
Tom Heckert:
2010: Joe Haden, TJ Ward, Monterio Hardesty, Colt McCoy, Shawn Lauvao
2011: Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard, Greg Little
2012: Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Mitchell Schwartz, John Hughes
Lower picks OK: Buster Skrine, Jordan Cameron.
Mike Lombardi:
2013: Barkevious Mingo, Leon McFadden
Ray Farmer:
2014: Justin Gilbert, John P. Manziel, Joel Bitonio, Christian Kirksey, Terrence West
2015: Danny Shelton, Cameron Erving, Nate Orchard, Duke Johnson, Xavier Cooper.
So....give your grades/assessments of how each of these GMs did.
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IMO, Heckert has been the best since '99.
Mangini the worst.
I vote for Pat Shurmer as the worst. His teams had no energy at all IMHO.
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Who signed Cribbs?
Josh Gordon?
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Excellent thread Gipper! I can't contribute much to it, but I'm enjoying reading the views.
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I think Farmer has done okay. He's broadly gone for solid players, might have been pushed in for Manziel. Before him a lot of busts and players that came highly rated that went bust. I still think the Farmer-Pettine era needs another season unless someone irresistible comes along.
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Great work Gip..Clearly to me if Heckert & Mangini had more than 1 year together & the Shurmur years never happened there was talent their to gell with a Mangini over Shurmur coached team. Cannot give A's on passing talent but Heckert B-. Savage C. (only 2 I liked) Rest our fails with Farmer C- incomplete & question coaching with some of the best QB play since 99 but with JM & Gilbert building their own doghouses guess Farmer goes to a D-. Good scouting has a Big F-
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Even before this season started the Houston Chronicle had Ray rated dead last in the NFL. Sporting News wasn't much better either. In fact just about anyone ranking GM's has him that far down as well.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/09/ranking-the-nfls-general-managers/#photo-692031
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