Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I don't think that has much to do with it. I think the kid was handed a job he's been striving for for almost 2 years and was celebrating that promotion with his dumb ass friends in a club. He probably didn't think he was doing anything particularly wrong and paniced when somebody showed the video to the coach and realize the coach was taking it really seriously, so he made a bad decision to try and bullshit his way out of it.Maybe so, but it's important to try to discern the true cause.
If it is entitlement, then the path in house using benching and other humbling could ultimately work.
If it is pressure as a trigger, then outside help in the form of more rehab followed by continued support is the path.
I have told bullshit lies that I regretted the minute they came out of my mouth.
WSS
I don't think that has much to do with it. I think the kid was handed a job he's been striving for for almost 2 years and was celebrating that promotion with his dumb ass friends in a club. He probably didn't think he was doing anything particularly wrong and paniced when somebody showed the video to the coach and realize the coach was taking it really seriously, so he made a bad decision to try and bullshit his way out of it.
All plausible until the underlined bit, Steve.
It's not dissimilar to the dust up between Ezekiel Elliott and the coaches. Urban Meyer might have been pissed off and run the same damn game plan as he did against Michigan State. But he blinked and took another route now he and the running back are best pals and all forgotten.
Other thing it is not... similar... at all.
One was the emotional venting of a key producer moments after a tough loss.
The other was a calculated attempt to deceive his "boss" by covering up a lie with the enlisted help of others.
Aside: Ever wonder how the Browns came so quickly to know about JM's effort to enlist others in support of his lie?
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I guess I do wonder about that tour.
I figure as soon as a mafia underboss gets arrested a lot of the rats start running for cover.
But I think the other scenario was more similar than you'd like to admit. Mouthing off against your coaches in public and among your team mates is also insubordination. I certainly understand the kids frustration but...
Some people seem to think that if a player misbehaves by disobeying a suggestion or yapping to the press that if it goes unpunished other players might think they can get away with more shit.
WSS
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A thought I do not remember seeing discussed anywhere.
Did the pressure of being named starter drive JM to party over the Bye week? Question rose out of reflecting upon what his father, IIRC, said long ago about JM drinking to deal with pressure.
Not offering the thought as an excuse, just exploring as a potential reason why he would break his word.
A thought I do not remember seeing discussed anywhere.
Did the pressure of being named starter drive JM to party over the Bye week? Question rose out of reflecting upon what his father, IIRC, said long ago about JM drinking to deal with pressure.
Not offering the thought as an excuse, just exploring as a potential reason why he would break his word.
Or is it a sign of falling off the wagon, dating back to the roadside deal with girlly friend??....zero incidents involving alcohol for 6 months, then suddenly, 2 things happen in just a few weeks.....coinkidink?.....I think not.....
Something else not being discussed is his ex high school coach, who was hired by Johnny to live with & mentor him following rehab.......well, when he spoke publicly after the roadside incident, he said "its big big trouble if Johnny even had a single drink"...
Now...this is from a trusted source who is super close to Johnny and the situation......so, for those who insist that its "only a drink with friends" and we dont know the truth...you are in denial.....
Look....if it was just a young guy drinking, no one would care.....certainly not the Browns....and none of this would be happening...
But when you have a guy who says I have a problem, his boss says he has a problem, his Dad says he has a problem, his college coach says he has a problem, his HS coach says he has a problem and he starts lying to cover it.....then MAYBE he has a problem.....eh?
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Report: Manziel expected to regain starting job before end of season
Dec 6 2015, 10:26 AMDan Wilkins
Johnny Manziel will reportedly have another opportunity to showcase his talents before the 2015 season reaches its conclusion.
The Cleveland Browns quarterback, who was recently demoted in a disciplinary move just days after being named the full-time starter, is expected to regain the lead job at some point down the stretch, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports.
Rapoport added that head coach Mike Pettine's decision to start Austin Davis isn't something everyone in the organization is on board with, and the change could come as soon as next week.
As yet another lost season winds down, the Browns will certainly begin to look to the future. In doing so, the most sensible solution would indeed be to evaluate Manziel and determine whether he'll be brought back for a third season.
The former Texas A&M star had rebounded from a disastrous rookie season, making some positive strides both on and off the field, prior to his latest setback.
Davis will start in place of an injured Josh McCown on Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals, and Rapoport's report suggests that Manziel will earn consideration for that role relatively soon after.
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Report: Manziel expected to regain starting job before end of season
Dec 6 2015, 10:26 AMDan Wilkins
Johnny Manziel will reportedly have another opportunity to showcase his talents before the 2015 season reaches its conclusion.
The Cleveland Browns quarterback, who was recently demoted in a disciplinary move just days after being named the full-time starter, is expected to regain the lead job at some point down the stretch, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports.
Rapoport added that head coach Mike Pettine's decision to start Austin Davis isn't something everyone in the organization is on board with, and the change could come as soon as next week.
As yet another lost season winds down, the Browns will certainly begin to look to the future. In doing so, the most sensible solution would indeed be to evaluate Manziel and determine whether he'll be brought back for a third season.
The former Texas A&M star had rebounded from a disastrous rookie season, making some positive strides both on and off the field, prior to his latest setback.
Davis will start in place of an injured Josh McCown on Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals, and Rapoport's report suggests that Manziel will earn consideration for that role relatively soon after.
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I saw and heard that report. You forgot to mention they also said dependant on how Davis plays today..... Context counts
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I saw and heard that report. You forgot to mention they also said dependant on how Davis plays today..... Context counts
I saw and heard that report. You forgot to mention they also said dependant on how Davis plays today..... Context counts
If Davis plays well I think he continues to start as long as that remains the case. Pet would gladly let the circus fold if he had an alternative.
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Or it could be like a used car lot when they get a clunker. Wash, wax, new rubber and get more than it's worth. I do figure we see the kid play again and things will be very skewed to make him look better than he is. I wish he was Tark but I've only seen Weeds on crack
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Pulling for AD today since great play by him is a prereq to victory, but I have no doubt he'll open the door for JM to get starts before year's end. Really is nothing in his past or our make-up to suggest otherwise.
I am assuming that JM will keep his shit together to warrant consideration. If he does, I have no doubt that Pet will not hold him out.
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I saw and heard that report. You forgot to mention they also said dependant on how Davis plays today..... Context counts
I saw and heard that report. You forgot to mention they also said dependant on how Davis plays today..... Context counts
I just cut n paste an app i have
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Trolling hardcore, JM.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I never understood the big deal about the money sign.
Just win baby, I don't care about anything else
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I never understood the big deal about the money sign.
Just win baby, I don't care about anything else
I never understood the big deal about the money sign.
Just win baby, I don't care about anything else
I think it's another in a long line of attention grabbing moves from a guy who has accomplished zero in the NFL. Win some games and then you can do whatever the hell you want and the fans will defend you to the death.
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Whenever I see that gesture, I just think tiniest violins playing the saddest songs
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Today is Manziel's Birthday, same as my daughters... Shitty they wouldn't even let him play on his birthday... shitty.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Today is Manziel's Birthday, same as my daughters... Shitty they wouldn't even let him play on his birthday... shitty.
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I never understood the big deal about the money sign.
Just win baby, I don't care about anything else
I think it's another in a long line of attention grabbing moves from a guy who has accomplished zero in the NFL. Win some games and then you can do whatever the hell you want and the fans will defend you to the death.
I think it's another in a long line of attention grabbing moves from a guy who has accomplished zero in the NFL. Win some games and then you can do whatever the hell you want and the fans will defend you to the death.
Yup, look at Fig Newton down in Carolina- you think the opposition doesn't want to bust him up for doing that stupid dancing?
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I think it's another in a long line of attention grabbing moves from a guy who has accomplished zero in the NFL. Win some games and then you can do whatever the hell you want and the fans will defend you to the death.
Yup, look at Fig Newton down in Carolina- you think the opposition doesn't want to bust him up for doing that stupid dancing?
Yup, look at Fig Newton down in Carolina- you think the opposition doesn't want to bust him up for doing that stupid dancing?
Yeah...and at 11-0 this year plus being in the league this long and winning games, I'd take him on my team in a heartbeat and he can dance till his fucking legs fall off for all I care.
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