Haslam calls mtg with upper management tonight
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I say fire Pettine, fire O'Neil, promote Flip to interim coach, start Johnny, give him a Terrelle Pryor, start Gilbert across from Tramon, and let's see what we have for the future.
4 game audition.
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I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
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I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
Absolutely!I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
Farmer has no fucking luck with 1st round picks, hell it could be raining whores and he would have a lesbian fall on him.
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Absolutely!I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
Farmer has no fucking luck with 1st round picks, hell it could be raining whores and he would have a lesbian fall on him.
Farmer has no fucking luck with 1st round picks, hell it could be raining whores and he would have a lesbian fall on him.
That made me laugh out loud...
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I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
How are you in any position to make that assessment? Are you watching Gilbert and Manziel practice? Because they sure as fuck aren't getting in any games...and it's definitely not because the guys ahead of them are better.
As for Shelton, Haloti Ngata had 31 tackles in his rookie season - all 16 games. Shelton has 25 so far. I think he'll be fine.
And Erving is being asked to play in the one position he never practiced and is not built for. Move Erving to T and then let's see how bad he is.
This reactionary shit right here is part of the reason we suck - placing blame on the completely wrong party without having a reason behind it.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I say fire Pettine, fire O'Neil, promote Flip to interim coach, start Johnny, give him a Terrelle Pryor, start Gilbert across from Tramon, and let's see what we have for the future.
4 game audition.
I say fire Pettine, fire O'Neil, promote Flip to interim coach, start Johnny, give him a Terrelle Pryor, start Gilbert across from Tramon, and let's see what we have for the future.
4 game audition.
Fer sure, the team is gonna look different, come next Sunday. Jimmuh has finally had it.
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Promote Flip... lmao... the guy's been an OC for 15 minutes.
TC,
Who do you think is responsible for the O-line underperformance? the RB underperformance? As an OC Flip makes a great QB coach. He may grow, but c'mon...
At minimum demand Pet takes over the DC duties...
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I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
How are you in any position to make that assessment? Are you watching Gilbert and Manziel practice? Because they sure as fuck aren't getting in any games...and it's definitely not because the guys ahead of them are better.
As for Shelton, Haloti Ngata had 31 tackles in his rookie season - all 16 games. Shelton has 25 so far. I think he'll be fine.
And Erving is being asked to play in the one position he never practiced and is not built for. Move Erving to T and then let's see how bad he is.
This reactionary shit right here is part of the reason we suck - placing blame on the completely wrong party without having a reason behind it.
This team sucks. Period. I dont think they're well coached, per se, but I don't know what you can do with a bunch of unwanted QBs, dwarf WRs, aging LBers, and a secondary that may not be objectively bad but has to cover guys for eons.How are you in any position to make that assessment? Are you watching Gilbert and Manziel practice? Because they sure as fuck aren't getting in any games...and it's definitely not because the guys ahead of them are better.
As for Shelton, Haloti Ngata had 31 tackles in his rookie season - all 16 games. Shelton has 25 so far. I think he'll be fine.
And Erving is being asked to play in the one position he never practiced and is not built for. Move Erving to T and then let's see how bad he is.
This reactionary shit right here is part of the reason we suck - placing blame on the completely wrong party without having a reason behind it.
The draft picks have been a D Minus at best under Farmer, and what acquisitions have helped this team? You mention Gilbert and Manziel, who the fuck drafted them?
Are you really telling me this is a playoff caliber team from a talent perspective? Ridiculous.
Thus team is fucking garbage from a personnel perspective. I think Farmer's built a shitty team.
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This team sucks. Period. I dont think they're well coached, per se, but I don't know what you can do with a bunch of unwanted QBs, dwarf WRs, aging LBers, and a secondary that may not be objectively bad but has to cover guys for eons.How are you in any position to make that assessment? Are you watching Gilbert and Manziel practice? Because they sure as fuck aren't getting in any games...and it's definitely not because the guys ahead of them are better.
As for Shelton, Haloti Ngata had 31 tackles in his rookie season - all 16 games. Shelton has 25 so far. I think he'll be fine.
And Erving is being asked to play in the one position he never practiced and is not built for. Move Erving to T and then let's see how bad he is.
This reactionary shit right here is part of the reason we suck - placing blame on the completely wrong party without having a reason behind it.
The draft picks have been a D Minus at best under Farmer, and what acquisitions have helped this team? You mention Gilbert and Manziel, who the fuck drafted them?
Are you really telling me this is a playoff caliber team from a talent perspective? Ridiculous.
Thus team is fucking garbage from a personnel perspective. I think Farmer's built a shitty team.
This team sucks. Period. I dont think they're well coached, per se, but I don't know what you can do with a bunch of unwanted QBs, dwarf WRs, aging LBers, and a secondary that may not be objectively bad but has to cover guys for eons.
The draft picks have been a D Minus at best under Farmer, and what acquisitions have helped this team?
Are you really telling me this is a playoff caliber team from a talent perspective? Ridiculous.
Thus team is fucking garbage from a personnel perspective. I think Farmer's built a shitty team.
Well, unfortunately, we don't know if your opinion is true or not...because the best players aren't seeing the field.
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What a disaster.
Rumor is O'Neil's gone.
Don't bother.
Keep them all and clean House at the end of the year.
2-14 or 6-10 . . . only difference is going to be Draft position, and really, is it worth it either way.
Sadly, looks like I was correct in my assessment last year after the Bengals blew us out.
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Promote Flip... lmao... the guy's been an OC for 15 minutes.
TC,
Who do you think is responsible for the O-line underperformance? the RB underperformance? As an OC Flip makes a great QB coach. He may grow, but c'mon...
At minimum demand Pet takes over the DC duties...
Promote Flip... lmao... the guy's been an OC for 15 minutes.
TC,
Who do you think is responsible for the O-line underperformance? the RB underperformance? As an OC Flip makes a great QB coach. He may grow, but c'mon...
At minimum demand Pet takes over the DC duties...
Someone has to take over duties if Pet and O'Neil go. I'd rather see the guy who has gotten the most out of McCown in his career.
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This team sucks. Period. I dont think they're well coached, per se, but I don't know what you can do with a bunch of unwanted QBs, dwarf WRs, aging LBers, and a secondary that may not be objectively bad but has to cover guys for eons.
The draft picks have been a D Minus at best under Farmer, and what acquisitions have helped this team?
Are you really telling me this is a playoff caliber team from a talent perspective? Ridiculous.
Thus team is fucking garbage from a personnel perspective. I think Farmer's built a shitty team.
Well, unfortunately, we don't know if your opinion is true or not...because the best players aren't seeing the field.
Well, unfortunately, we don't know if your opinion is true or not...because the best players aren't seeing the field.
Considering Benji got hurt in short order- might have been wise to not sit Pryor.
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Promote Flip... lmao... the guy's been an OC for 15 minutes.
TC,
Who do you think is responsible for the O-line underperformance? the RB underperformance? As an OC Flip makes a great QB coach. He may grow, but c'mon...
At minimum demand Pet takes over the DC duties...
Promote Flip... lmao... the guy's been an OC for 15 minutes.
TC,
Who do you think is responsible for the O-line underperformance? the RB underperformance? As an OC Flip makes a great QB coach. He may grow, but c'mon...
At minimum demand Pet takes over the DC duties...
Right...Flip can barely handle his business......and who runs the D if no Pettine or Oneill?......there's not a position coach on the entire D that has been in the NFL for more than 3 years.....all rookies.....the whole lot of em...
And probably the likely culprits if coaching is the issue.....dont think Pettine actually "coaches" anyone....so if they really want to make a difference, dont fire the "firhure head"....fire the guys who are coaching the players...
And....all these rookies coaches might not have the talent to develop the kids?>....who knows....
But a new staff is hard to build,...takes time.....very few coaches come with "their" guys and most new coaches have to pick off the scrap heap/////pettine too.......
as will the next guy.....
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This team sucks. Period. I dont think they're well coached, per se, but I don't know what you can do with a bunch of unwanted QBs, dwarf WRs, aging LBers, and a secondary that may not be objectively bad but has to cover guys for eons.
The draft picks have been a D Minus at best under Farmer, and what acquisitions have helped this team?
Are you really telling me this is a playoff caliber team from a talent perspective? Ridiculous.
Thus team is fucking garbage from a personnel perspective. I think Farmer's built a shitty team.
Well, unfortunately, we don't know if your opinion is true or not...because the best players aren't seeing the field.
Well, unfortunately, we don't know if your opinion is true or not...because the best players aren't seeing the field.
So your contention is that a bunch of guys riding the pine would justify the continued employment of Ray Farmer? I just want to make sure that's really what you're saying.
The short version of my response, to save me time and the rest of us brain cells, is that I vehemently disagree.
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What a disaster.
Rumor is O'Neil's gone.
Don't bother.
Keep them all and clean House at the end of the year.
2-14 or 6-10 . . . only difference is going to be Draft position, and really, is it worth it either way.
Sadly, looks like I was correct in my assessment last year after the Bengals blew us out.
What a disaster.
Rumor is O'Neil's gone.
Don't bother.
Keep them all and clean House at the end of the year.
2-14 or 6-10 . . . only difference is going to be Draft position, and really, is it worth it either way.
Sadly, looks like I was correct in my assessment last year after the Bengals blew us out.
Pettine's mantra has been "accountability" so someone has to be held accountable. giving up 30+ points in the last 4 games sucks. That folks, was an abomination of professional football. The Bengals in effect said, oh boy, we get to scrimmage an Arena League team.
I hope Jimmuh tells Mike- O'Neil has to go, and if you don't agree, you can go right along with him. Promote Dansby to player coach.
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I think the number one problem with this team is the abject failure to put together a talented roster.
I'm no Pettine fan, but if it was between him and Farmer I'm axing Farmer.
How are you in any position to make that assessment? Are you watching Gilbert and Manziel practice? Because they sure as fuck aren't getting in any games...and it's definitely not because the guys ahead of them are better.
As for Shelton, Haloti Ngata had 31 tackles in his rookie season - all 16 games. Shelton has 25 so far. I think he'll be fine.
And Erving is being asked to play in the one position he never practiced and is not built for. Move Erving to T and then let's see how bad he is.
This reactionary shit right here is part of the reason we suck - placing blame on the completely wrong party without having a reason behind it.
This reactionary shit right here is part of the reason we suck - placing blame on the completely wrong party without having a reason behind it.
and then firing them....every 2 years......and all the while, the talent continues to suck
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Promote Flip... lmao... the guy's been an OC for 15 minutes.
TC,
Who do you think is responsible for the O-line underperformance? the RB underperformance? As an OC Flip makes a great QB coach. He may grow, but c'mon...
At minimum demand Pet takes over the DC duties...
Right...Flip can barely handle his business......and who runs the D if no Pettine or Oneill?......there's not a position coach on the entire D that has been in the NFL for more than 3 years.....all rookies.....the whole lot of em...
And probably the likely culprits if coaching is the issue.....dont think Pettine actually "coaches" anyone....so if they really want to make a difference, dont fire the "firhure head"....fire the guys who are coaching the players...
And....all these rookies coaches might not have the talent to develop the kids?>....who knows....
But a new staff is hard to build,...takes time.....very few coaches come with "their" guys and most new coaches have to pick off the scrap heap/////pettine too.......
as will the next guy.....
Right...Flip can barely handle his business......and who runs the D if no Pettine or Oneill?......there's not a position coach on the entire D that has been in the NFL for more than 3 years.....all rookies.....the whole lot of em...
And probably the likely culprits if coaching is the issue.....dont think Pettine actually "coaches" anyone....so if they really want to make a difference, dont fire the "firhure head"....fire the guys who are coaching the players...
And....all these rookies coaches might not have the talent to develop the kids?>....who knows....
But a new staff is hard to build,...takes time.....very few coaches come with "their" guys and most new coaches have to pick off the scrap heap/////pettine too.......
as will the next guy.....
Good point Mud. Mike doesn't have an experienced coordinator, not one. Where's Torv Turner when you need him?
If someone doesn't get axed after the latest shit show, I'll be disappointed. If only from the standpoint- this crap has gone on far too long.
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This team sucks. Period. I dont think they're well coached, per se, but I don't know what you can do with a bunch of unwanted QBs, dwarf WRs, aging LBers, and a secondary that may not be objectively bad but has to cover guys for eons.
The draft picks have been a D Minus at best under Farmer, and what acquisitions have helped this team?
Are you really telling me this is a playoff caliber team from a talent perspective? Ridiculous.
Thus team is fucking garbage from a personnel perspective. I think Farmer's built a shitty team.
Well, unfortunately, we don't know if your opinion is true or not...because the best players aren't seeing the field.
Well, unfortunately, we don't know if your opinion is true or not...because the best players aren't seeing the field.
Gotta be a TC-patented, troll post... hole in the logic so big even Crow could run thru it...
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I'm honestly curious because I've watched it for 35 years here in Cleveland, particularly since coming back to the NFL. What could Haslem do? So many want nothing except to win "now" and that simply isn't going to happen. To fix this cluster-fuck will take many years and it seems like the majority of Browns fans and media simply wouldn't tolerate that. The media is a joke and the fans are so unrealistic I'm not sure there is anything he could do.
It doesn't take 4 years to turn a franchise around- look at Carolina for exhibit A. I don't want a freaking Super Bowl next year- BUT. I saw MY team seriously regress in every conceivable category from 2014. The status quo, like 7-9 would have saved everyone, maybe even 6-10. But going from semi-respectability to the leader in the Clubhouse for Rodger Goodell saying come next year "with the first pick in the 2016 NFL draft the Cleveland Browns select...." . Just isn't what I was looking for.
Forget "we're going to run the ball and stop the run"? Well, what the hell happened there? Can't stop the pass, and outside of Benji and Barnidge the passing attack isn't particularly anything to write home about either.
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