Frantz Joseph & Lee Robinson
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joseph in the sixth would be an absolute steal, someone i'd be ecstatic to have on the team.
remember that we still don't know what we have in bell or how he's recovered from his knee surgeries nor whether it's going to be an ongoing problem or not. there are a lot of question marks surrounding bell, and it's going to be a long offseason of wondering.
even with robinson's measurables, there's no way he's off the board before the fourth unless he does something utterly ridiculous at the combine like break 4.45 in the 40 or put up 32+ in the press, and anything below those insane numbers will keep him well into the fifth. however, he could be that fast, as wyoming rb devin moore, with whom he was able to keep up in coverage drills, has been timed at 4.38.
if we end up with robinson, let's hope he's nothing like williams, whose only versatility is the ability to suck anywhere on the field.
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Just read that Joseph's been running 4.7 40's during his pre-pro day training. His 3-cone times (agility) have hovered around 7.00 seconds, which is very good. Also, his shuttle times (short area quickness) have been in the 4.25-4.30 range (solid).
The Ravens and Saints are said to be interested in Joseph. If the Ratbirds end up with both Jameel McClain & Joseph, I'm going to be pissed.
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Recently watched some film of Joseph that made me a little less high on him, but this clip got me excited all over again:
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Great upper body strength, but looks a bit stiff, like an Abdul Hodge.
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That's a good comparison. FWIW, nfldraftscout compares him to Desmond Bishop.
He wasn't very good in the Troy game - got beat on some cutbacks, didn't look particularly agile, and got engulfed by blockers a few times. But he's looked great every other time I've seen him play.
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Joseph had a disappointing pro day, running a 4.83 40, only putting up 19 reps of 225, and posting a 27.5" vertical. After that workout, I'd expect him to slide to late day two.
One positive sign: the Browns sent representatives to Joseph's pro day. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing us take him in the sixth.
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Here's the Draft Guys' profile of Lee Robinson:
Robinson actually put up some pretty poor numbers at the combine: 4.67 short shuttle, 7.57 3-cone, 9'05" broad jump. Because of that, he should be available in the 6th Round; he could even end up being a priority UDFA type.
If we accumulate some additional picks, I wouldn't mind seeing us take a flier on this guy late in the draft.
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Im all about Frantz Joseph!! I hope we draft him in the 5th!
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According to TFY Draft, the Browns were one of five teams represented at Lee Robinson's pro day. Of the five, four run a 3-4 defense (Packers, Niners, Pats, and us).
Robinson's times were marginally better than the ones he put up at the combine but still unimpressive - 4.71 40, 4.41 shuttle, 7.25 3-cone. He likely remains a late round/undrafted type.
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According to TFY Draft, the Browns were one of five teams represented at Lee Robinson's pro day. Of the five, four run a 3-4 defense (Packers, Niners, Pats, and us).
Robinson's times were marginally better than the ones he put up at the combine but still unimpressive - 4.71 40, 4.41 shuttle, 7.25 3-cone. He likely remains a late round/undrafted type.
Aloysius said:
According to TFY Draft, the Browns were one of five teams represented at Lee Robinson's pro day. Of the five, four run a 3-4 defense (Packers, Niners, Pats, and us).Robinson's times were marginally better than the ones he put up at the combine but still unimpressive - 4.71 40, 4.41 shuttle, 7.25 3-cone. He likely remains a late round/undrafted type.
He may not be fast by he sure seems quick and fluid laterally. His coverage skills aren't bad either.
I loved how he turned his head to look for the ball on the go route.
I like Robinson a lot.
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Hey folks, thanks to Aloysius for linking to, and to this great community for watching our Draftguys TV profiles. I remain convinced that Joseph will be a starter at the next level, he has too much desire and determination, along with good natural size and strength, to be denied. Robinson is a much better athlete that his tests show, although he might be not be best suited for a complex scheme - he's more of a seek and destroy guy.
-Sigmund Bloom
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According to Scout.com, the Browns have privately worked out Lee Robinson.
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Joseph, who led the Sun Belt in tackles with 154 last season, is rated the No. 9 inside linebacker by nfldraftscout.com for the upcoming draft. He has run a 4.69 in the 40-yard dash and had 16 NFL teams show up to FAU's Pro Day in late February. The Dolphins, Jaguars, Steelers, Ravens and Browns have all had ongoing conversations with Joseph.
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Where he falls may not work out well for the Browns...Unless you reach for him at #104.
Or do you think the goes there now anyways Aloy? I figured he was 5th round guy...Where the Browns do not own a pick.
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5th round sounds about right. But he could slide to the 6th, where he'd be a pretty nice value.
And even though we don't have a 5th right now, we could pick up one if/when we start moving around the draft.
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From what I saw on the tapes above, I prefer Joseph....much better tackling. Seemed to me Robinson tended to arm tackle & "push" runners out. I like solid "wrap 'em up & put 'em down" tacklers.
Mike
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