Pettine satisfied with our effort
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I disagree 100%....Ive watched and rewatched every Kruger play....he is doing NOTHING different this year then he did last year...
Same # and % of snaps rushing AND covering.....he's just making excuses cause he sucks.....THATS why he is on the bench...
So....instead of pretending like theres something there, why not show me what he's doing differently?.....show me how losing one on one battles EVERY week is the coaches fault......show me how Oneill prevented him from getting a sack on 300 rushes.....or how the system caused him to get blocked out of every running play....???
Its still football Cal....you know, get the man with the ball.....and he's not getting it done.....
I think he got sacks last year because our DB's bought him time....and teams blocked Sheard, instead of him....I say that because I went back and watched his 11 sacks again....and he earned 3 on his own......
Go back and watch last weeks game....our lines(both of em) are getting mauled nd pushed around.....that is muscle and effort, not scheme.....CB's are supposed to play man, but they are getting beat one on one....again, thats players not scheme....
The scheme isnt that hard....but it DOES require talent.....which, right now, is severely lacking....
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"I disagree 100%....Ive watched and rewatched every Kruger play....he is doing NOTHING different this year then he did last year..."
I think if our players had the JJ Watt mentality then their performances would be way better. Yes, he is physically gifted but his mentality to play hard in losing situations is admirable.
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Starters Kruger and Mingo have combined for 9 tackles in the last 6 games...(embarrassing)
But BACK UPS Armonty and Orchard have 25 tackles in the same 6 games, but with less time and snaps.....
How is that possible if it's the coach????........because its not the coach.....it's just Kruger and Mingo sucking, while the 2 new guys are PLAYING.....
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Well, obviously, Orchard and Armonty are ignoring Pettine's stupid complex defense,
and they have the speed and power at the same time to just play football.
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Well, obviously, Orchard and Armonty are ignoring Pettine's stupid complex defense,
and they have the speed and power at the same time to just play football.
Well, obviously, Orchard and Armonty are ignoring Pettine's stupid complex defense,
and they have the speed and power at the same time to just play football.
whatever cal.....I know you dont like facts....even when they hit you in the face.....
And when they do hit you in the face, not even man enough to step up and say it.......at least when Im wrong I admit it
Ive backed up every argument Ive made on this stuff with stats and facts....and you, and no one else, have backed theirs at all...so....whatever.....
If you say it enough times, it might actually come true....
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Kruger...
To my eye he's doing what he did last year, namely bulling the RT back to the vicinity of the QB, with about the same regularity as he did last year. What I think is lacking is associated pressure from others to either flush the QB Krug's way or make the QB step up. Either allows Krug's to simply disengage for the sack.
Players who might not be giving 100%...
- Bowe
- Gilbert
- Anyone on IR
- Anyone in Concussion protocol
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Kruger...
To my eye he's doing what he did last year, namely bulling the RT back to the vicinity of the QB, with about the same regularity as he did last year. What I think is lacking is associated pressure from others to either flush the QB Krug's way or make the QB step up. Either allows Krug's to simply disengage for the sack.
Players who might not be giving 100%...
- Bowe
- Gilbert
- Anyone on IR
- Anyone in Concussion protocol
Kruger...
To my eye he's doing what he did last year, namely bulling the RT back to the vicinity of the QB, with about the same regularity as he did last year. What I think is lacking is associated pressure from others to either flush the QB Krug's way or make the QB step up. Either allows Krug's to simply disengage for the sack.
My take too...plus he had a lot of help(last year) from our DBs....and Sheard....which I have posted here several times now....
And you know whats REALLY funny???.....the Browns(today) posted a break down of Krugers sack from Sunday....
And you know what they said?......he got the sack because...
#1) there was strong coverage from the DB's, forcing Dalton to hold the ball......and....
#2) there was pressure from Mingo, which forced Dalton over to Kruger......
Typical Kruger sack.....(off the backs of others)
Here is the link from Browns.com for anyone interested.....just another example of what should be so obvious, yet apparently still isnt....
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Im sorry to keep going....but I REALLY feel a need to put this Kruger garbage to rest.....the whole "covering" thing you all keep screaming about.....
here are Krugers rush vs cover snaps for the last 4 years.....lets see "who" made him cover the most and "who" gave him the most opportunities to rush the QB....shall we?
2012 - Baltimore.............380 rush 97 cover
2013 - Clev (Horton).......440 rush 110 cover
Now the Pettine era....(you know....the guy who makes him cover so much that he cant rush)....
2014 - Cleve(Oneill).......480 rush 65 cover......so the MOST rushes and FEWEST covers yet(and Krugers best year ever, btw)
2015 - Cleve(Oneill).......281 rush 56 cover......so the fewest covers of all the years, even though this is the year that we are making him cover all the time.....
And...before you say it.....he WAS on track for more rushes up until week 6, which is when his snaps got cut drastically and many of his rush snaps were given to Armonty.....so, he has less rushes because he was awful and the coaches saw that and adjusted.....
This is fact guys.....not opinion....SO PLEASE STOP SAYING HE IS ALWAYS COVERING WHEN HE'S NOT!!!!!!
HE IS COVERING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS AND LESS THAN ANY OTHER DC HAS MADE HIM.....
Last year...w/o Kruger.....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
THIS year...w/o Kruger....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
So the difference between last season and this season?.......Kruger......
Last year...Kruger got 1 sack every 44 attempts
This year...Kruger gets 1 sack every 112 attempts...
So...PLEASE....JUST STOP.....its not Oneill "misusing" him....and it's NOT because he is covering....IT JUST NOT....
Damn.....
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Im sorry to keep going....but I REALLY feel a need to put this Kruger garbage to rest.....the whole "covering" thing you all keep screaming about.....
here are Krugers rush vs cover snaps for the last 4 years.....lets see "who" made him cover the most and "who" gave him the most opportunities to rush the QB....shall we?
2012 - Baltimore.............380 rush 97 cover
2013 - Clev (Horton).......440 rush 110 cover
Now the Pettine era....(you know....the guy who makes him cover so much that he cant rush)....
2014 - Cleve(Oneill).......480 rush 65 cover......so the MOST rushes and FEWEST covers yet(and Krugers best year ever, btw)
2015 - Cleve(Oneill).......281 rush 56 cover......so the fewest covers of all the years, even though this is the year that we are making him cover all the time.....
And...before you say it.....he WAS on track for more rushes up until week 6, which is when his snaps got cut drastically and many of his rush snaps were given to Armonty.....so, he has less rushes because he was awful and the coaches saw that and adjusted.....
This is fact guys.....not opinion....SO PLEASE STOP SAYING HE IS ALWAYS COVERING WHEN HE'S NOT!!!!!!
HE IS COVERING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS AND LESS THAN ANY OTHER DC HAS MADE HIM.....
Last year...w/o Kruger.....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
THIS year...w/o Kruger....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
So the difference between last season and this season?.......Kruger......
Last year...Kruger got 1 sack every 44 attempts
This year...Kruger gets 1 sack every 112 attempts...
So...PLEASE....JUST STOP.....its not Oneill "misusing" him....and it's NOT because he is covering....IT JUST NOT....
Damn.....
Im sorry to keep going....but I REALLY feel a need to put this Kruger garbage to rest.....the whole "covering" thing you all keep screaming about.....
here are Krugers rush vs cover snaps for the last 4 years.....lets see "who" made him cover the most and "who" gave him the most opportunities to rush the QB....shall we?
2012 - Baltimore.............380 rush 97 cover
2013 - Clev (Horton).......440 rush 110 cover
Now the Pettine era....(you know....the guy who makes him cover so much that he cant rush)....
2014 - Cleve(Oneill).......480 rush 65 cover......so the MOST rushes and FEWEST covers yet(and Krugers best year ever, btw)
2015 - Cleve(Oneill).......281 rush 56 cover......so the fewest covers of all the years, even though this is the year that we are making him cover all the time.....
And...before you say it.....he WAS on track for more rushes up until week 6, which is when his snaps got cut drastically and many of his rush snaps were given to Armonty.....so, he has less rushes because he was awful and the coaches saw that and adjusted.....
This is fact guys.....not opinion....SO PLEASE STOP SAYING HE IS ALWAYS COVERING WHEN HE'S NOT!!!!!!
HE IS COVERING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS AND LESS THAN ANY OTHER DC HAS MADE HIM.....
Last year...w/o Kruger.....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
THIS year...w/o Kruger....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
So the difference between last season and this season?.......Kruger......
Last year...Kruger got 1 sack every 44 attempts
This year...Kruger gets 1 sack every 112 attempts...
So...PLEASE....JUST STOP.....its not Oneill "misusing" him....and it's NOT because he is covering....IT JUST NOT....
Damn.....
If O'Neil would just learn how to use Kruger and stop misusing him, Kruger would be better.
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Saying "some" guys arent trying their hardest makes sense....
Saying "because" some guys arent trying their hardest means they've lost the team....doesnt.....
We're just going to agree to disagree but I see it on the field and read between the lines of what a good amount of players are saying. I just don't see how someone doesn't correlate a teams effort being because in large part the coach doesn't have the locker room. I know the browns suck but Sunday's game was pathetic. It was not (IMO) guys trying hard but just being bad-it was guys half-assing it and going through the motions. There's a clear difference between the two in my book.
It'll come out in the wash sooner than later but I just don't see it the other way around. It's really hard for me to look at guys like the Williams x2, Whitner, Starks and Haden before he got hurt amongst other dudes and think they've regressed that badly, it just doesn't make sense.
We're just going to agree to disagree but I see it on the field and read between the lines of what a good amount of players are saying. I just don't see how someone doesn't correlate a teams effort being because in large part the coach doesn't have the locker room. I know the browns suck but Sunday's game was pathetic. It was not (IMO) guys trying hard but just being bad-it was guys half-assing it and going through the motions. There's a clear difference between the two in my book.
It'll come out in the wash sooner than later but I just don't see it the other way around. It's really hard for me to look at guys like the Williams x2, Whitner, Starks and Haden before he got hurt amongst other dudes and think they've regressed that badly, it just doesn't make sense.
Randy Moss didn't play hard all game long and he's a first ballot Hall of Fame.
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Im sorry to keep going....but I REALLY feel a need to put this Kruger garbage to rest.....the whole "covering" thing you all keep screaming about.....
here are Krugers rush vs cover snaps for the last 4 years.....lets see "who" made him cover the most and "who" gave him the most opportunities to rush the QB....shall we?
2012 - Baltimore.............380 rush 97 cover
2013 - Clev (Horton).......440 rush 110 cover
Now the Pettine era....(you know....the guy who makes him cover so much that he cant rush)....
2014 - Cleve(Oneill).......480 rush 65 cover......so the MOST rushes and FEWEST covers yet(and Krugers best year ever, btw)
2015 - Cleve(Oneill).......281 rush 56 cover......so the fewest covers of all the years, even though this is the year that we are making him cover all the time.....
And...before you say it.....he WAS on track for more rushes up until week 6, which is when his snaps got cut drastically and many of his rush snaps were given to Armonty.....so, he has less rushes because he was awful and the coaches saw that and adjusted.....
This is fact guys.....not opinion....SO PLEASE STOP SAYING HE IS ALWAYS COVERING WHEN HE'S NOT!!!!!!
HE IS COVERING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS AND LESS THAN ANY OTHER DC HAS MADE HIM.....
Last year...w/o Kruger.....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
THIS year...w/o Kruger....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
So the difference between last season and this season?.......Kruger......
Last year...Kruger got 1 sack every 44 attempts
This year...Kruger gets 1 sack every 112 attempts...
So...PLEASE....JUST STOP.....its not Oneill "misusing" him....and it's NOT because he is covering....IT JUST NOT....
Damn.....
Im sorry to keep going....but I REALLY feel a need to put this Kruger garbage to rest.....the whole "covering" thing you all keep screaming about.....
here are Krugers rush vs cover snaps for the last 4 years.....lets see "who" made him cover the most and "who" gave him the most opportunities to rush the QB....shall we?
2012 - Baltimore.............380 rush 97 cover
2013 - Clev (Horton).......440 rush 110 cover
Now the Pettine era....(you know....the guy who makes him cover so much that he cant rush)....
2014 - Cleve(Oneill).......480 rush 65 cover......so the MOST rushes and FEWEST covers yet(and Krugers best year ever, btw)
2015 - Cleve(Oneill).......281 rush 56 cover......so the fewest covers of all the years, even though this is the year that we are making him cover all the time.....
And...before you say it.....he WAS on track for more rushes up until week 6, which is when his snaps got cut drastically and many of his rush snaps were given to Armonty.....so, he has less rushes because he was awful and the coaches saw that and adjusted.....
This is fact guys.....not opinion....SO PLEASE STOP SAYING HE IS ALWAYS COVERING WHEN HE'S NOT!!!!!!
HE IS COVERING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS AND LESS THAN ANY OTHER DC HAS MADE HIM.....
Last year...w/o Kruger.....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
THIS year...w/o Kruger....The browns averaged 1.2 sacks a game...
So the difference between last season and this season?.......Kruger......
Last year...Kruger got 1 sack every 44 attempts
This year...Kruger gets 1 sack every 112 attempts...
So...PLEASE....JUST STOP.....its not Oneill "misusing" him....and it's NOT because he is covering....IT JUST NOT....
Damn.....
Kruger is just another fine example of the Browns overpaying for lesser talent to sign a name brand in free agency.
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Top 3 freeloaders on the roster:
1) Bowe - robbery minus the gun
2) Gilbert - head case
3) Kruger - overpaid crybaby
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We're just going to agree to disagree but I see it on the field and read between the lines of what a good amount of players are saying. I just don't see how someone doesn't correlate a teams effort being because in large part the coach doesn't have the locker room. I know the browns suck but Sunday's game was pathetic. It was not (IMO) guys trying hard but just being bad-it was guys half-assing it and going through the motions. There's a clear difference between the two in my book.
It'll come out in the wash sooner than later but I just don't see it the other way around. It's really hard for me to look at guys like the Williams x2, Whitner, Starks and Haden before he got hurt amongst other dudes and think they've regressed that badly, it just doesn't make sense.
Randy Moss didn't play hard all game long and he's a first ballot Hall of Fame.
Randy Moss didn't play hard all game long and he's a first ballot Hall of Fame.
So your defense of Pettine is that we don't have 22 Randy Moss' running around?
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right now, opponent wr's are getting open with injuries, and just like the Buffalo players were saying,
although Mud thinks he knows better than them... (okay, that's just a payback, Mud)....
this defense does not work, and it isn't the number of times last year vs this year, it's that
Kruger is ever asked to go back into pass coverage, he is not that quick, depending.
Pettine/Oneil are misusing all the players on defense - that is why this defense is ranked
so badly.
This defense does NOT WORK, Mud. You can keep supporting it, and pettine and oneil, but the facts that
matter are, look at where the defense is this year. It's miscommunication city. If you won't put that on the coaches,
then fine, but you don't have to get all uppity and have a conniption fit over it. You didn't comment on the
comments by Buffalo dline players... talk about ignoring facts....
The Browns defense is not the players. It's the scheme and the coaches - players are frustrated,
and it is causing a lot of confusion on the field.
It is not on Kruger - he had eleven SACKS last year. 36 tackles, 17 assists.
Marcell Darius of the Bills had 36 tackles, 13 assists, and 10 sacks last year.
It doesn't matter how many times he dropped back last yr vs this year. it's that this defense does
not work, and the more they complicate it, the more it doesn't work. It's the freaking defense,
unless you think Marcell Darius is also a "bum".
Oneil and Pettine's defense has to go. And Mud, that is a fact, jack.
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Randy Moss didn't play hard all game long and he's a first ballot Hall of Fame.
So your defense of Pettine is that we don't have 22 Randy Moss' running around?
So your defense of Pettine is that we don't have 22 Randy Moss' running around?
Pettine doesn't need me to defend him. My point is some players play hard all the time, some most of the time and some when they want to regardless of coaching and success is often times predicated on how good you are.
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right now, opponent wr's are getting open with injuries, and just like the Buffalo players were saying,
although Mud thinks he knows better than them... (okay, that's just a payback, Mud)....
this defense does not work, and it isn't the number of times last year vs this year, it's that
Kruger is ever asked to go back into pass coverage, he is not that quick, depending.
Pettine/Oneil are misusing all the players on defense - that is why this defense is ranked
so badly.
This defense does NOT WORK, Mud. You can keep supporting it, and pettine and oneil, but the facts that
matter are, look at where the defense is this year. It's miscommunication city. If you won't put that on the coaches,
then fine, but you don't have to get all uppity and have a conniption fit over it. You didn't comment on the
comments by Buffalo dline players... talk about ignoring facts....
The Browns defense is not the players. It's the scheme and the coaches - players are frustrated,
and it is causing a lot of confusion on the field.
It is not on Kruger - he had eleven SACKS last year. 36 tackles, 17 assists.
Marcell Darius of the Bills had 36 tackles, 13 assists, and 10 sacks last year.
It doesn't matter how many times he dropped back last yr vs this year. it's that this defense does
not work, and the more they complicate it, the more it doesn't work. It's the freaking defense,
unless you think Marcell Darius is also a "bum".
Oneil and Pettine's defense has to go. And Mud, that is a fact, jack.
right now, opponent wr's are getting open with injuries, and just like the Buffalo players were saying,
although Mud thinks he knows better than them... (okay, that's just a payback, Mud)....
this defense does not work, and it isn't the number of times last year vs this year, it's that
Kruger is ever asked to go back into pass coverage, he is not that quick, depending.
Pettine/Oneil are misusing all the players on defense - that is why this defense is ranked
so badly.
This defense does NOT WORK, Mud. You can keep supporting it, and pettine and oneil, but the facts that
matter are, look at where the defense is this year. It's miscommunication city. If you won't put that on the coaches,
then fine, but you don't have to get all uppity and have a conniption fit over it. You didn't comment on the
comments by Buffalo dline players... talk about ignoring facts....
Chip Kelly is a racist or at least that is what ex-Eagle Shady Mccoy insinuated after he was sent packing.
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And, Mud,
the difference you noted with the number of times...
read on.
It's when and where.
Unless you think Mario Williams is also a bum.
Sounds to me like they have the same problem as the Browns.
What I said.
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And, Mud,
the difference you noted with the number of times...
read on.
It's when and where.
Unless you think Mario Williams is also a bum.
Sounds to me like they have the same problem as the Browns.
What I said.
And, Mud,
the difference you noted with the number of times...
read on.
That was written October 2nd, 3 games into the season
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so...that makes it a false story? It is what it is...
maybe it was written in blue font, not black font,
so the article is fake?
good grief, losing is driving people to near nervous breakdowns or something.
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So your defense of Pettine is that we don't have 22 Randy Moss' running around?
Pettine doesn't need me to defend him. My point is some players play hard all the time, some most of the time and some when they want to regardless of coaching and success is often times predicated on how good you are.
Pettine doesn't need me to defend him. My point is some players play hard all the time, some most of the time and some when they want to regardless of coaching and success is often times predicated on how good you are.
You're right, because defending him would be futile.
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