Pope Francis Issues Decree That Jews Should Not Be Told About Salvation In Jesus Christ
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I think a lot of Catholics feel the same way. This pope is a liberal wearing a funny hat.
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I don't want to be disrespectful but I cannot accept what the Pope is saying over clear teachings in the bible. I also don't accept what is happening in some protestant churches who ordain homosexual ministers or support abortion in direct opposition to scriptures.
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How do you know the scriptures are true?
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How do you know the scriptures are true?
Woody, why? haha
Did you think we were short on threads about religion that ends with circular logic and no one changing their opinion?
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So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
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How do you know the scriptures are true? woodpecker
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eh.... because you believe they are not, and you are always wrong
and antagonistic, therefore they are true.
simple.
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So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
And he says Jews can still go to heaven.
What a jackass
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So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
I think the ass hole is the guy that gets pissed off and shitty when somebody else is trying to do something he believes will save your soul or give you a way to receive the gift of eternal life. You know, you.
WSS
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So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
And he says Jews can still go to heaven.
What a jackass
And he says Jews can still go to heaven.
What a jackass
Then said JESUS again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in YOUR SINS: whither I go, ye cannot come. Then said the JEWS, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in YOUR SINS: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT that I am he, ye shall die in YOUR SINS. (John 8:21-24)
*In this passage Jesus was talking with the religious Jewish people of his day, and he told them that if they did not believe in him, then they would die in their sins. That statement by Jesus is still in effect today, and it has not changed one bit.
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That was then, this is now. You can hardly hold people accountable for something they don't believe in and send them to hell. A just god would not do that, would they?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
Stuart
So you act like an obnoxious cunt.
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That was then, this is now. You can hardly hold people accountable for something they don't believe in and send them to hell. A just god would not do that, would they?
That was then, this is now. You can hardly hold people accountable for something they don't believe in and send them to hell. A just god would not do that, would they?
Jesus was holding the Jewish people in His day accountable for their unbelief. The only thing that has changed since His time is technology. Human nature hasn't changed. I work with Jewish believers and what the Pope has done in saying that Jews do not need Jesus is to saw the legs out from under them in their evangelistic work to Jews as well as being totally against what the bible teaches. The pope will probably get a lot of photo ops now with the rabbis he has gained favor with but the truth is never to be tossed out to gain favor. The apostle Paul went through all kinds of torture and eventual death because he held steadfast to the truth when he could have compromised on the truth and made his life a whole lot easier. I have seen the persecution Jewish believers receive from the Jewish community who consider them to be traitors to their own faith. Now their work has been made even much harder to win Jews for Jesus as the Pope has said that Jews do not need Jesus even though the bible clearly says they do. Sad really.
Hebrews 13:8New International Version (NIV)8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
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So the pope says let's not be obnoxious cunts and throw jesus at everybody..........and he's an asshole for that..got it.
I think the ass hole is the guy that gets pissed off and shitty when somebody else is trying to do something he believes will save your soul or give you a way to receive the gift of eternal life. You know, you.
WSS
I think the ass hole is the guy that gets pissed off and shitty when somebody else is trying to do something he believes will save your soul or give you a way to receive the gift of eternal life. You know, you.
WSS
If only you were deep enough to understand that the logic string you just dropped is responsible for more misery and death then your mind could even conceive of. And i'm very sure that if someone walked into any church this coming Thursday and started handing out pamphlets informing people of their real lord and master, I'm talking about the spaghetti monster of course, because you know he was looking out for their souls and all....i'm very sure that would turn out just fine for the guy.
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The Bible Doesn't Say Anything
The Bible says...
This is a powerful statement. We've all heard it before, from a pulpit or politician, friend or foe. These three words conjure an absolutist stance and the highest authority, but the fact is, the Bible doesn't say anything.Here's an experiment. Go find a Bible. Place it on the table. Now listen. Put your ear very close if you must. Block out all peripheral noise, turn Netflix and YouTube off, and listen to the Bible. Open it even, and listen closely. I am not a psychic but I can predict you have come to the conclusion that the Bible is silent. It does not speak.If we have established that the Bible does not speak, then how can it "say" all these things? When people claim the Bible "says" anything, it is a claim that there are words on the pages within that, when read by a person and repeated, syllables and phonetic noises can be understood by others who speak that language and can find meaning in it. Or, it is that when an individual looks at all the squiggly lines of black (or red) on the white pages of this book, their mind links them together in such a way that they form a particular meaning. My point is that the Bible does nothing. The reader does everything.Reading is an act of interpretation. You are right now interpreting symbols that I have placed in a particular order on the internet. Once I submit this piece, I have no control over it, and you can make whatever sense you want out of it. That is the beauty of interpretation. Words are art, and they cannot be constrained to one kind of meaning. They exist to be interpreted.The Bible has been interpreted by millions of people for over a millennium, and interpretations have varied as much. I would say that no two people can read the Bible in the exact same way, because our interpretations are filtered through our experiences, which no two people share. So how is it possible that the Bible "says" any one thing?It is not my goal here to argue about particular things people use the Bible for, because this has been done ad nauseam by others. The Bible "said" that slavery was good. The Bible "said" that women shouldn't vote. The Bible "said" that only heterosexuals should be married. Fine. It also "said" that we are all equal under God and that we are to love each other unconditionally. Fine. The Bible is a text that was compiled over the course of a thousand years, being edited and reshaped the entirewhole time. Even up until the 17th century it hadn't been finalized by Protestants, who eventually removed the "Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha" (the original 1611 King James Version included them!). The authors of the text had particular ideas they wanted to express, and women's rights and biotechnology were not among them.When people say "The Bible says..." they are typically doing one of two things. 1) They are diverting authority, and criticism, to God. It's not their opinion, it's God's. The individual thus removes themselves from the equation by associating their view as divinely inspired and approved. 2) They are appealing to common ground to persuade somebody of something. This is related, but has a different rhetorical effect. These two modes often function in pairs from opposing sides. Imagine this (not that you'd likely need to imagine it): Sally claims "The Bible says X." Joan, a non-Christian, finds Sally's claim wrong, and responds, "But doesn't the Bible also say Y?" This happens very frequently, and usually leads to a standstill. Sally will not budge because she has God's authority on her side, and Joan will not acquiesce because her opinion has no biblical basis. The problem is that, "The Bible says..." diverts people from engaging with their own opinions and predispositions because they turn themselves into secondary sources. Sally claims it is not her own opinion, and Joan is only using the Bible as a tool that she doesn't even believe in. How can this dialogue ever advance?I am suggesting that if people acknowledge that the Bible doesn't actually say anything, but that every claim is their own interpretation, heavily filtered through their own life experiences, there won't be a diversion of engagement; people will actually be able to communicate person to person, about their own opinions. As soon as the shift from "The Bible says" to "I interpret the Bible as" happens, it puts the conversationalists into a dialogue about their own actual thoughts and opinions.To illustrate this more concretely, Colossians 3.22 reads, "Slaves, obey your masters in everything." This seems like a clear enough statement that the author upheld the institution of slavery. However, Galatians 3.28 reads, "There is no longer slave or free...for all of you are one in Jesus Christ." Paul sent back a runaway slave (Onesimus) to his owner (Philemon), only saying that Onesimus should be treated kindly, as he is now a fellow believer. So what does the Bible "say" about slavery? I will not lead myself into the quagmire of interpreting these passages here, but my point should be clear: Diverting personal responsibility for your opinions to the Bible, for whatever agenda you're trying to advance, is only effective in solidifying support with those who already agree with you. It is neither convincing nor practically effective.I close by suggesting that if you, the reader, have ever used the phrase "The Bible says," that you examine your personal hermeneutic, because it's usually not the case that your opinions are only yours because "The Bible tells me so," it's because you have an opinion that you use the Bible to justify. And if you are someone who uses "The Bible says..." to counter a biblical interpretation with which you disagree, I suggest you don't give in to this temptation. It only feeds the illusion that the Bible can actually speak.But the Bible doesn't say anything."That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
and I believe that nobody gets into heaven via works.
Nobody is perfect enough to be that perfect.
Therefore, it isn't by works, it's by understanding
that Jesus died on the Cross..
and I believe that nobody gets into heaven via works.
Nobody is perfect enough to be that perfect.
Therefore, it isn't by works, it's by understanding
that Jesus died on the Cross..
Just think about that for a minute. I mean, really think about it. It sounds asinine.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
The Bible Doesn't Say Anything
The Bible says...
This is a powerful statement. We've all heard it before, from a pulpit or politician, friend or foe. These three words conjure an absolutist stance and the highest authority, but the fact is, the Bible doesn't say anything.Here's an experiment. Go find a Bible. Place it on the table. Now listen. Put your ear very close if you must. Block out all peripheral noise, turn Netflix and YouTube off, and listen to the Bible. Open it even, and listen closely. I am not a psychic but I can predict you have come to the conclusion that the Bible is silent. It does not speak.If we have established that the Bible does not speak, then how can it "say" all these things? When people claim the Bible "says" anything, it is a claim that there are words on the pages within that, when read by a person and repeated, syllables and phonetic noises can be understood by others who speak that language and can find meaning in it. Or, it is that when an individual looks at all the squiggly lines of black (or red) on the white pages of this book, their mind links them together in such a way that they form a particular meaning. My point is that the Bible does nothing. The reader does everything.Reading is an act of interpretation. You are right now interpreting symbols that I have placed in a particular order on the internet. Once I submit this piece, I have no control over it, and you can make whatever sense you want out of it. That is the beauty of interpretation. Words are art, and they cannot be constrained to one kind of meaning. They exist to be interpreted.The Bible has been interpreted by millions of people for over a millennium, and interpretations have varied as much. I would say that no two people can read the Bible in the exact same way, because our interpretations are filtered through our experiences, which no two people share. So how is it possible that the Bible "says" any one thing?It is not my goal here to argue about particular things people use the Bible for, because this has been done ad nauseam by others. The Bible "said" that slavery was good. The Bible "said" that women shouldn't vote. The Bible "said" that only heterosexuals should be married. Fine. It also "said" that we are all equal under God and that we are to love each other unconditionally. Fine. The Bible is a text that was compiled over the course of a thousand years, being edited and reshaped the entirewhole time. Even up until the 17th century it hadn't been finalized by Protestants, who eventually removed the "Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha" (the original 1611 King James Version included them!). The authors of the text had particular ideas they wanted to express, and women's rights and biotechnology were not among them.When people say "The Bible says..." they are typically doing one of two things. 1) They are diverting authority, and criticism, to God. It's not their opinion, it's God's. The individual thus removes themselves from the equation by associating their view as divinely inspired and approved. 2) They are appealing to common ground to persuade somebody of something. This is related, but has a different rhetorical effect. These two modes often function in pairs from opposing sides. Imagine this (not that you'd likely need to imagine it): Sally claims "The Bible says X." Joan, a non-Christian, finds Sally's claim wrong, and responds, "But doesn't the Bible also say Y?" This happens very frequently, and usually leads to a standstill. Sally will not budge because she has God's authority on her side, and Joan will not acquiesce because her opinion has no biblical basis. The problem is that, "The Bible says..." diverts people from engaging with their own opinions and predispositions because they turn themselves into secondary sources. Sally claims it is not her own opinion, and Joan is only using the Bible as a tool that she doesn't even believe in. How can this dialogue ever advance?I am suggesting that if people acknowledge that the Bible doesn't actually say anything, but that every claim is their own interpretation, heavily filtered through their own life experiences, there won't be a diversion of engagement; people will actually be able to communicate person to person, about their own opinions. As soon as the shift from "The Bible says" to "I interpret the Bible as" happens, it puts the conversationalists into a dialogue about their own actual thoughts and opinions.To illustrate this more concretely, Colossians 3.22 reads, "Slaves, obey your masters in everything." This seems like a clear enough statement that the author upheld the institution of slavery. However, Galatians 3.28 reads, "There is no longer slave or free...for all of you are one in Jesus Christ." Paul sent back a runaway slave (Onesimus) to his owner (Philemon), only saying that Onesimus should be treated kindly, as he is now a fellow believer. So what does the Bible "say" about slavery? I will not lead myself into the quagmire of interpreting these passages here, but my point should be clear: Diverting personal responsibility for your opinions to the Bible, for whatever agenda you're trying to advance, is only effective in solidifying support with those who already agree with you. It is neither convincing nor practically effective.I close by suggesting that if you, the reader, have ever used the phrase "The Bible says," that you examine your personal hermeneutic, because it's usually not the case that your opinions are only yours because "The Bible tells me so," it's because you have an opinion that you use the Bible to justify. And if you are someone who uses "The Bible says..." to counter a biblical interpretation with which you disagree, I suggest you don't give in to this temptation. It only feeds the illusion that the Bible can actually speak.But the Bible doesn't say anything.The Bible Doesn't Say Anything
The Bible says...
This is a powerful statement. We've all heard it before, from a pulpit or politician, friend or foe. These three words conjure an absolutist stance and the highest authority, but the fact is, the Bible doesn't say anything. Yes it does...it has a lot to say. It is not a science book or math book but it deals with the heart of manHere's an experiment. Go find a Bible. Place it on the table. Now listen. Put your ear very close if you must. Block out all peripheral noise, turn Netflix and YouTube off, and listen to the Bible. Open it even, and listen closely. I am not a psychic but I can predict you have come to the conclusion that the Bible is silent. It does not speak. It is speaking all the time but you do have to read it or hear it. We as believers are to study the bible.If we have established that the Bible does not speak, then how can it "say" all these things? When people claim the Bible "says" anything, it is a claim that there are words on the pages within that, when read by a person and repeated, syllables and phonetic noises can be understood by others who speak that language and can find meaning in it. Or, it is that when an individual looks at all the squiggly lines of black (or red) on the white pages of this book, their mind links them together in such a way that they form a particular meaning. My point is that the Bible does nothing. The reader does everything. Jesus Himself quoted the word and said things like "it is written". Jesus Himself is tied up with the word as you or I are tied up with the words we speak. Try telling a cop after getting pulled over doing 70 in a 35 MPH that words on signs don' t have meaning or relate to authority.Reading is an act of interpretation. You are right now interpreting symbols that I have placed in a particular order on the internet. Once I submit this piece, I have no control over it, and you can make whatever sense you want out of it. That is the beauty of interpretation. Words are art, and they cannot be constrained to one kind of meaning. They exist to be interpreted.The Bible has been interpreted by millions of people for over a millennium, and interpretations have varied as much. I would say that no two people can read the Bible in the exact same way, because our interpretations are filtered through our experiences, which no two people share. So how is it possible that the Bible "says" any one thing? Admittedly some things in the bible are more open to interpretation than others. That is the reason we have so many denominations with different doctrines and creeds and some who have gone into extreme error and are listed as a cult. There is a backbone of the Christian faith we all (except those listed as cults) agree on such as the virgin birth, Jesus is God who became man, He died for our sins and He rose from death.It is not my goal here to argue about particular things people use the Bible for, because this has been done ad nauseam by others. The Bible "said" that slavery was good. The Bible "said" that women shouldn't vote. The Bible "said" that only heterosexuals should be married. Fine. It also "said" that we are all equal under God and that we are to love each other unconditionally. Fine. The Bible is a text that was compiled over the course of a thousand years, being edited and reshaped the entirewhole time. Even up until the 17th century it hadn't been finalized by Protestants, who eventually removed the "Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha" (the original 1611 King James Version included them!). The authors of the text had particular ideas they wanted to express, and women's rights and biotechnology were not among them. There was no argument the books removed were not historically correct but the debate was over were they inspired scripture. This is where you believe in miracles or you don't. God has promised to preserve His word. This is the first miracle I believe in that the word of God is accurate from what the authors stated centuries ago. Again it is vitally important the word is accurate because Jesus is called the Word. You cannot trust or have faith without trusting in the accuracy of the word.When people say "The Bible says..." they are typically doing one of two things. 1) They are diverting authority, and criticism, to God. It's not their opinion, it's God's. The individual thus removes themselves from the equation by associating their view as divinely inspired and approved. 2) They are appealing to common ground to persuade somebody of something. This is related, but has a different rhetorical effect. These two modes often function in pairs from opposing sides. Imagine this (not that you'd likely need to imagine it): Sally claims "The Bible says X." Joan, a non-Christian, finds Sally's claim wrong, and responds, "But doesn't the Bible also say Y?" This happens very frequently, and usually leads to a standstill. Sally will not budge because she has God's authority on her side, and Joan will not acquiesce because her opinion has no biblical basis. The problem is that, "The Bible says..." diverts people from engaging with their own opinions and predispositions because they turn themselves into secondary sources. Sally claims it is not her own opinion, and Joan is only using the Bible as a tool that she doesn't even believe in. How can this dialogue ever advance? Guilty I do it all the time (with God's blessing).I am suggesting that if people acknowledge that the Bible doesn't actually say anything, but that every claim is their own interpretation, heavily filtered through their own life experiences, there won't be a diversion of engagement; people will actually be able to communicate person to person, about their own opinions. As soon as the shift from "The Bible says" to "I interpret the Bible as" happens, it puts the conversationalists into a dialogue about their own actual thoughts and opinions. It all comes down to authority. The bible directs us to "rightly divide the word". That is the interpretation part. Because the bible is interpreted means it can be compared to our own constitution or set of laws which get interpreted by lawyers and courts all the time. That does not stop the authority of the constitution or our laws.To illustrate this more concretely, Colossians 3.22 reads, "Slaves, obey your masters in everything." This seems like a clear enough statement that the author upheld the institution of slavery. However, Galatians 3.28 reads, "There is no longer slave or free...for all of you are one in Jesus Christ." Paul sent back a runaway slave (Onesimus) to his owner (Philemon), only saying that Onesimus should be treated kindly, as he is now a fellow believer. So what does the Bible "say" about slavery? I will not lead myself into the quagmire of interpreting these passages here, but my point should be clear: Diverting personal responsibility for your opinions to the Bible, for whatever agenda you're trying to advance, is only effective in solidifying support with those who already agree with you. It is neither convincing nor practically effective.I close by suggesting that if you, the reader, have ever used the phrase "The Bible says," that you examine your personal hermeneutic, because it's usually not the case that your opinions are only yours because "The Bible tells me so," it's because you have an opinion that you use the Bible to justify. And if you are someone who uses "The Bible says..." to counter a biblical interpretation with which you disagree, I suggest you don't give in to this temptation. It only feeds the illusion that the Bible can actually speak.But the Bible doesn't say anything.Jesus said unto them "It is written". Jesus said the words he spoke were spirit and life...they speak to the heart or spirit of man. They are not just words on pages but they affect not only our minds but hearts as well. In this sense it is different than any other book. -
He is wrong and falsely prophesizing again. Accepting Jesus is the only way to obtain salvation. What a douchebag
He is wrong and falsely prophesizing again. Accepting Jesus is the only way to obtain salvation. What a douchebag
Didn't God/Jesus say that the Jews are his chosen people... In essence?
Sounds like there's a wee bit of a conundrum here.
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Just think about that for a minute. I mean, really think about it. It sounds asinine.
It doesn't sound right but it is. We are made right with God by faith alone. Good works show we have faith but the bible is clear you are terribly mistaken if you think good works alone will give you a right standing with God. The bible says Abraham believed God and God counted it to him for righteousness (right standing)...salvation by faith is key...
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He is wrong and falsely prophesizing again. Accepting Jesus is the only way to obtain salvation. What a douchebag
Didn't God/Jesus say that the Jews are his chosen people... In essence?
Sounds like there's a wee bit of a conundrum here.
Didn't God/Jesus say that the Jews are his chosen people... In essence?
Sounds like there's a wee bit of a conundrum here.
They will always be His chosen people. They were so much His chosen people He sent His Son (the Messiah) to save them. They rejected Him. The books in the old covenant paint 2 pictures of the Messiah, one as the king of kings and one as a suffering servant who takes the sins of the people upon himself. The reason there are 2 pictures painted is he comes twice. He came the first time as the suffering servant and now Christians and Jews await His second coming and this time He is coming as the king of kings. Jesus plainly told the Jewish people if they did not believe in Him they would die in their sins. The apostle Paul spoke of our relation to God as an olive tree where Jewish branches were broken off (because of unbelief) and Gentile branches were grafted on (because of belief) but made clear to Gentile believers to keep in mind we are not part of the root system (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) we are only branches, to stay humble and remember natural branches were broken off to graft us in. The gospel is to the Jew first (God's chosen people) and then to the Gentiles. Gentiles owe everything to the Jews, even our salvation. Jesus said salvation is of the Jews.
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You guys are crazy.
I would say in the event that there is a real god. He would probably base his judgement on your afterlife based on the life you lived.
Don't think he'd throw you in hell for not believing in Jesus. Lots of people are born into religion anyway.
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