My First 10 Pick Mock Draft
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AdaM said:
If the bengals get orakpo they will instantly have a LB corp on par with the Steelers....Keith Rivers and Brian Orakpo would wreak havoc.
No. First and foremost Dick Lebeau and the schemes that are drawn up elevate the Steelers LB corp into the stratosphere. Secondly the Bengals would only have two solid LB's where as the Steelers have Harrison, Timmons, Farrior, Woodley and Foote coming in as a rotational back up. Their LB corp would no doubt be better but not on par with the Steelers and I don't think it takes a homer to say that....
<--- Homer.
AND to talk about the mock. Why would the chiefs draft BJ Raji when they just drafted Glenn Dorsey last year? Are they playing Dorsey at DE?
AND to talk about the mock. Why would the chiefs draft BJ Raji when they just drafted Glenn Dorsey last year? Are they playing Dorsey at DE?
Dorsey is 297 lbs....a typical NT for the 3-4 is around 340-350. Dorsey would get killed inside in a 3-4. My guess is he will be a DE in the new system.
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AND to talk about the mock. Why would the chiefs draft BJ Raji when they just drafted Glenn Dorsey last year? Are they playing Dorsey at DE?
Dorsey is 297 lbs....a typical NT for the 3-4 is around 340-350. Dorsey would get killed inside in a 3-4. My guess is he will be a DE in the new system.
Dorsey is 297 lbs....a typical NT for the 3-4 is around 340-350. Dorsey would get killed inside in a 3-4. My guess is he will be a DE in the new system.
Yeah dorsey will be a DE or traded.
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Dorsey is 297 lbs....a typical NT for the 3-4 is around 340-350. Dorsey would get killed inside in a 3-4. My guess is he will be a DE in the new system.
Yeah dorsey will be a DE or traded.
AdaM said:
Yeah dorsey will be a DE or traded.i think that the biggest thing for dorsey to overcome would be to convert from a terrible qb to a dominant defensive lineman.
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Dorsey is 297 lbs....a typical NT for the 3-4 is around 340-350. Dorsey would get killed inside in a 3-4. My guess is he will be a DE in the new system.
Yeah dorsey will be a DE or traded.
AdaM said:
Yeah dorsey will be a DE or traded.They sure as hell aren't going to trade their first round pick from last year. No way, no how. I could see him being moved but not traded. It's also not unreasonable to assume he may bulk up a little bit if he hasn't already. The chiefs don't have a stand out LB. I'll be shocked if Curry doesn't go off the board to KC or higher.
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I don't think that the Browns will do business with cincy- i'm not saying it wouldn't be good for us.
I seem to remember doing business with the Ravens a few years back.....trading down to 13 from 12 and taking Wimbley and getting a 6th rounder. Why not deal with Cincinnati and possible get a 3rd rounder? (they are likely to get a compensatory pick at #98)
I seem to remember doing business with the Ravens a few years back.....trading down to 13 from 12 and taking Wimbley and getting a 6th rounder. Why not deal with Cincinnati and possible get a 3rd rounder? (they are likely to get a compensatory pick at #98)
Bet they would like to rethink now.
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AdaM said:
Yeah dorsey will be a DE or traded.i think that the biggest thing for dorsey to overcome would be to convert from a terrible qb to a dominant defensive lineman.
i think that the biggest thing for dorsey to overcome would be to convert from a terrible qb to a dominant defensive lineman.
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Apparently McShay and Kiper decided to see what they thought would happen if the Lions didn't take Stafford. Here are their comments:
Big changes without Stafford at No. 1
If Detroit doesn't take Matthew Stafford, the Seahawks will be waiting
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The SportsCenter producers posed this question to Mel Kiper and me earlier this week: How much of a shake-up would it be to the top 10 picks of 2009 draft if Detroit opted not to take Georgia QB Matthew Stafford with the No. 1 overall pick?
It took only a few minutes of shuffling players around to realize how significant the difference would be. Here's how the top 10 unfolded on SportsCenter:
1. Detroit Lions -- Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
2. St. Louis Rams -- Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
3. Kansas City Chiefs -- Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
4. Seattle Seahawks -- Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
5. Cleveland Browns -- Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
6. Cincinnati Bengals -- Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Oakland Raiders -- B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
8. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
9. Green Bay Packers -- Aaron Maybin, DE/OLB, Penn State
10. San Francisco 49ers -- Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
But why stop at the top 10? Below is Scouts Inc.'s projection of how things will unfold over the first two rounds in such a scenario, but before we get to the rest of the picks here are a few quick notes explaining some of the key differences:
NFL.com Video
Watch OL Jason Smith work out during the 2009 NFL Combine.
⢠With Jason Smith going No. 1 overall in this scenario Crabtree becomes the better value pick at No. 2 for St. Louis, which needs a wide receiver as badly as it needs an offensive tackle.
⢠Seattle has greater needs, such as outside linebacker, safety and offensive tackle, but using the fourth overall pick on Stafford makes sense considering Matt Hasselbeck's age (33) and durability concerns.
⢠Raji is falling a bit right now because of some off-the-field concerns (weight issues, discipline, 2007 academic suspension) but a few teams will still be willing to take a chance on him in the top 15, including the Raiders at No. 7.
⢠I'm still not convinced the Jaguars will draft Sanchez at No. 8, but it would be much easier to pull the trigger if Crabtree is off the board.
⢠Missouri WR Jeremy Maclin is a victim of circumstance in this scenario, falling all the way to the Chargers at pick No. 16. San Diego has several bigger needs to fill, but Maclin is too good a value to pass up, and he could add a vertical element to that offense from the slot position. The run on wide receivers clearly will occur in the middle of the first round.
With all of this in mind, here's a look at how the first day of the draft could unfold if Stafford is not the Lions' choice at No. 1:
Wow...not much agreement with me...but then again I wouldn't expect it.
St.Louis taking Crabtree over Monroe at #2 just doesn't make sense to me. Their QB is getting mauled (45 sacks) so a WR isn't really going to help that much.
KC taking Curry is still possible as I mentioned...but it all starts up front in the 3-4...and they have NOBODY to play the NT position (and NT doesn't need to be brainy).
Seattle taking Stafford may be a good idea. I had him as an option...but I give Hasselback a few more years if he has an OL and weapons.
Anyway...it is interesting that they are actually considering the possibility of Stafford NOT going to the Lions.
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Pretty good mock. Only pick that really struck me as odd was Beanie to the Jags. If Crabtree, Maclin, Stafford, or Sanchez are still on the board at #8, I'm willing to bet they would be picked over Beanie. While MoJo could use a nice compliment, its definitely not a need for this team. And when ur picking that high, u got to draft an impact player that will contribute sometime in the near future. With Mojo still being quite young, I don't see him being replaced anytime soon.
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Pretty good mock. Only pick that really struck me as odd was Beanie to the Jags. If Crabtree, Maclin, Stafford, or Sanchez are still on the board at #8, I'm willing to bet they would be picked over Beanie. While MoJo could use a nice compliment, its definitely not a need for this team. And when ur picking that high, u got to draft an impact player that will contribute sometime in the near future. With Mojo still being quite young, I don't see him being replaced anytime soon.
Pretty good mock. Only pick that really struck me as odd was Beanie to the Jags. If Crabtree, Maclin, Stafford, or Sanchez are still on the board at #8, I'm willing to bet they would be picked over Beanie. While MoJo could use a nice compliment, its definitely not a need for this team. And when ur picking that high, u got to draft an impact player that will contribute sometime in the near future. With Mojo still being quite young, I don't see him being replaced anytime soon.
And since when is Beanie being projected as a top 10 pick? He'll be going towards the bottom of round one or the top of round 2.
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Pretty good mock. Only pick that really struck me as odd was Beanie to the Jags. If Crabtree, Maclin, Stafford, or Sanchez are still on the board at #8, I'm willing to bet they would be picked over Beanie. While MoJo could use a nice compliment, its definitely not a need for this team. And when ur picking that high, u got to draft an impact player that will contribute sometime in the near future. With Mojo still being quite young, I don't see him being replaced anytime soon.
And since when is Beanie being projected as a top 10 pick? He'll be going towards the bottom of round one or the top of round 2.
And since when is Beanie being projected as a top 10 pick? He'll be going towards the bottom of round one or the top of round 2.
Lot of reactionary stuff going on with Beanie...but here are a few things to consider:
His BLAZING FAST 40 at his pro day
Scott Wright of Draft Countdown has him listed as the #10 player
I think a lot of the bad press on him stems more from disenchantment with the OSU program as a whole.
As for MoJo...he has never had to carry the load....I think he needs somebody to run WITH him...and Wells is a perfect match. Like I said, this was my 'out on a limb' pick.
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Apparently McShay and Kiper decided to see what they thought would happen if the Lions didn't take Stafford. Here are their comments:
Big changes without Stafford at No. 1
If Detroit doesn't take Matthew Stafford, the Seahawks will be waiting
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McShay By Todd McShay
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The SportsCenter producers posed this question to Mel Kiper and me earlier this week: How much of a shake-up would it be to the top 10 picks of 2009 draft if Detroit opted not to take Georgia QB Matthew Stafford with the No. 1 overall pick?
It took only a few minutes of shuffling players around to realize how significant the difference would be. Here's how the top 10 unfolded on SportsCenter:
1. Detroit Lions -- Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
2. St. Louis Rams -- Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
3. Kansas City Chiefs -- Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
4. Seattle Seahawks -- Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
5. Cleveland Browns -- Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
6. Cincinnati Bengals -- Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Oakland Raiders -- B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
8. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
9. Green Bay Packers -- Aaron Maybin, DE/OLB, Penn State
10. San Francisco 49ers -- Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
But why stop at the top 10? Below is Scouts Inc.'s projection of how things will unfold over the first two rounds in such a scenario, but before we get to the rest of the picks here are a few quick notes explaining some of the key differences:
NFL.com Video
Watch OL Jason Smith work out during the 2009 NFL Combine.
⢠With Jason Smith going No. 1 overall in this scenario Crabtree becomes the better value pick at No. 2 for St. Louis, which needs a wide receiver as badly as it needs an offensive tackle.
⢠Seattle has greater needs, such as outside linebacker, safety and offensive tackle, but using the fourth overall pick on Stafford makes sense considering Matt Hasselbeck's age (33) and durability concerns.
⢠Raji is falling a bit right now because of some off-the-field concerns (weight issues, discipline, 2007 academic suspension) but a few teams will still be willing to take a chance on him in the top 15, including the Raiders at No. 7.
⢠I'm still not convinced the Jaguars will draft Sanchez at No. 8, but it would be much easier to pull the trigger if Crabtree is off the board.
⢠Missouri WR Jeremy Maclin is a victim of circumstance in this scenario, falling all the way to the Chargers at pick No. 16. San Diego has several bigger needs to fill, but Maclin is too good a value to pass up, and he could add a vertical element to that offense from the slot position. The run on wide receivers clearly will occur in the middle of the first round.
With all of this in mind, here's a look at how the first day of the draft could unfold if Stafford is not the Lions' choice at No. 1:
Wow...not much agreement with me...but then again I wouldn't expect it.
St.Louis taking Crabtree over Monroe at #2 just doesn't make sense to me. Their QB is getting mauled (45 sacks) so a WR isn't really going to help that much.
KC taking Curry is still possible as I mentioned...but it all starts up front in the 3-4...and they have NOBODY to play the NT position (and NT doesn't need to be brainy).
Seattle taking Stafford may be a good idea. I had him as an option...but I give Hasselback a few more years if he has an OL and weapons.
Anyway...it is interesting that they are actually considering the possibility of Stafford NOT going to the Lions.
Wow...not much agreement with me...but then again I wouldn't expect it.
St.Louis taking Crabtree over Monroe at #2 just doesn't make sense to me. Their QB is getting mauled (45 sacks) so a WR isn't really going to help that much.
That's why they'd love to have Jason Smith, but he's already off the board. Not everyone's high on Eugene Monroe - he has a reputation for being lazy, struggled against wimpish Michael Johnson, and had a knee issue pop up during his med eval at the Combine. And there have been reports that some Rams scouts are really pushing for Crabtree.
KC taking Curry is still possible as I mentioned...but it all starts up front in the 3-4...and they have NOBODY to play the NT position (and NT doesn't need to be brainy).
It's not about intelligence; it's about commitment. When a guy fails five drug tests in college, gets suspended because of academic issues (though perhaps not entirely his fault), and was only able to keep his weight down during the year he had draft money as a motivator, you have to at least wonder whether giving him top 5 money is a bad idea.
So I agree with McShay; in my tentative mock, I have Raji going to the Raiders, who'll be willing to overlook all of that stuff. He'll also get to play in a 4-3 defense in Oakland, which may be a better fit for him.
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Wow...not much agreement with me...but then again I wouldn't expect it.
St.Louis taking Crabtree over Monroe at #2 just doesn't make sense to me. Their QB is getting mauled (45 sacks) so a WR isn't really going to help that much.
That's why they'd love to have Jason Smith, but he's already off the board. Not everyone's high on Eugene Monroe - he has a reputation for being lazy, struggled against wimpish Michael Johnson, and had a knee issue pop up during his med eval at the Combine. And there have been reports that some Rams scouts are really pushing for Crabtree.
KC taking Curry is still possible as I mentioned...but it all starts up front in the 3-4...and they have NOBODY to play the NT position (and NT doesn't need to be brainy).
It's not about intelligence; it's about commitment. When a guy fails five drug tests in college, gets suspended because of academic issues (though perhaps not entirely his fault), and was only able to keep his weight down during the year he had draft money as a motivator, you have to at least wonder whether giving him top 5 money is a bad idea.
So I agree with McShay; in my tentative mock, I have Raji going to the Raiders, who'll be willing to overlook all of that stuff. He'll also get to play in a 4-3 defense in Oakland, which may be a better fit for him.
Aloysius said:
That's why they'd love to have Jason Smith, but he's already off the board. Not everyone's high on Eugene Monroe - he has a reputation for being lazy, struggled against wimpish Michael Johnson, and had a knee issue pop up during his med eval at the Combine. And there have been reports that some Rams scouts are really pushing for Crabtree.It's not about intelligence; it's about commitment. When a guy fails five drug tests in college, gets suspended because of academic issues (though perhaps not entirely his fault), and was only able to keep his weight down during the year he had draft money as a motivator, you have to at least wonder whether giving him top 5 money is a bad idea.
So I agree with McShay; in my tentative mock, I have Raji going to the Raiders, who'll be willing to overlook all of that stuff. He'll also get to play in a 4-3 defense in Oakland, which may be a better fit for him.
that's cool...but who do you have playing NT for the Chiefs. They certainly don't have one on the roster right now...and there are only 2 DT's above 320 remaining in FA and they are Brandon McKinney and Kendrick Allen...both backup quality guys.
As for Crabtree to the Rams...I heard about the push for him too...but considering this is the 'silly season' I was chalking it up to misdirection. Still, these are called mocks for good reason...they are not the real thing and everyone has and is entitled to their opinion. This was my first stab at it this year and will likely change several times...
but I still can't see KC passing on Raji, as he has the potential to anchor that defense for the next 10 years...and there are NO alternatives (unless you see a 3-4 team willing to trade a NT they just have lying around somewhere...sarcasm, sorry)...Curry is definitely a real possibility there and I can understand why everyone is sold on that pick.
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Aloysius said:
That's why they'd love to have Jason Smith, but he's already off the board. Not everyone's high on Eugene Monroe - he has a reputation for being lazy, struggled against wimpish Michael Johnson, and had a knee issue pop up during his med eval at the Combine. And there have been reports that some Rams scouts are really pushing for Crabtree.It's not about intelligence; it's about commitment. When a guy fails five drug tests in college, gets suspended because of academic issues (though perhaps not entirely his fault), and was only able to keep his weight down during the year he had draft money as a motivator, you have to at least wonder whether giving him top 5 money is a bad idea.
So I agree with McShay; in my tentative mock, I have Raji going to the Raiders, who'll be willing to overlook all of that stuff. He'll also get to play in a 4-3 defense in Oakland, which may be a better fit for him.
that's cool...but who do you have playing NT for the Chiefs. They certainly don't have one on the roster right now...and there are only 2 DT's above 320 remaining in FA and they are Brandon McKinney and Kendrick Allen...both backup quality guys.
As for Crabtree to the Rams...I heard about the push for him too...but considering this is the 'silly season' I was chalking it up to misdirection. Still, these are called mocks for good reason...they are not the real thing and everyone has and is entitled to their opinion. This was my first stab at it this year and will likely change several times...
but I still can't see KC passing on Raji, as he has the potential to anchor that defense for the next 10 years...and there are NO alternatives (unless you see a 3-4 team willing to trade a NT they just have lying around somewhere...sarcasm, sorry)...Curry is definitely a real possibility there and I can understand why everyone is sold on that pick.
that's cool...but who do you have playing NT for the Chiefs. They certainly don't have one on the roster right now...and there are only 2 DT's above 320 remaining in FA and they are Brandon McKinney and Kendrick Allen...both backup quality guys.
Tank Tyler would play NT. He's a fairly strong dude (put up 42 rep of 225 at the Combine) and has the frame to get bigger. IIRC, he weighed 317 lbs. at the '07 Senior Bowl, though the added weight was more flab than muscle.
but I still can't see KC passing on Raji, as he has the potential to anchor that defense for the next 10 years...and there are NO alternatives (unless you see a 3-4 team willing to trade a NT they just have lying around somewhere...sarcasm, sorry).
Raji's college teammate, Ron Brace, could be an effective 3-4 nose. Texas's Roy Miller may be able to play it, though he's kind of a NT/DE tweener. Some teams reportedly like Louisville's Adrian Grady as a Day 2 developmental option.
It's definitely a weak year for 3-4 linemen, but I don't think that'll make Scott Pioli commit over $25M in guaranteed money to a guy with character concerns. That's not the kind of move you make when you're rebuilding a team.
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I guess the one hope for getting Curry is if Kansas City somehow trades down. Given the Pioli-McDaniels connection, it's possible that Denver could trade up to #3 to get Sanchez - a pretty big jump, but perhaps a necessary one if the rumors of the Seahawks being interested in Sanchez are credible.
And this report makes a Chiefs trade-down look like a distinct possibility:
Because of the trade that brought quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel from New England, the Chiefs have no selection in between the first and third rounds of the upcoming draft.
They are proceeding as if theyâll pick later in the first round, sometime in the second or perhaps both. They entertained three highly regarded defensive prospects Thursday at their Truman Sports Complex headquarters â defensive end Brian Orakpo of Texas and linebackers Connor Barwin of Cincinnati and James Laurinaitis of Ohio State.
Orakpo, who had 11 sacks for the Longhorns last season, is one of the draftâs most coveted players, and the Chiefs could choose him with their top pick, third overall.
Barwin and Laurinaitis will probably be selected later in the first round or possibly the second. That is no-manâs land for the Chiefs currently but maybe not by the time the draft rolls around.
âWe kind of touched on that a little bit,â Barwin said. âThe Chiefs asked me how high I thought I would be drafted. I said I expected to be drafted in the first round, but I didnât think I would go as high as the third pick overall.
âThey said they had the third pick right now but that things could change. They never told me Iâd be a Chief, but they did say they didnât know what draft picks they might have April 25.â
It's also interesting that they're looking at Laurinaitis. He doesn't project well to a 3-4 defense, but I guess he could play WILB (DQ's spot).
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Scout.com's Chris Steuber has a similar scenario to mine going down in his latest mock:
- Detroit - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
- St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, LT, Virginia
- Denver (from KC) - Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
- Seattle - Jason Smith, LT, Baylor
- Cleveland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
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I would say Raji has effectively made my mock a mess with his positive drug test. KC should be pretty much locked in on Curry at this point...unless like you said, they make a trade down.
Add into the fact that it now looks like Detroit won't likely be able to get a QB with their 20th pick and it starts to look a lot more like Stafford at #1....unless of course Detroit makes a trade with Cleveland for one of ours.
Still a long way to go...and tons more changes to occur...which is why I said at the beginning that this was just a first draft.
We shall see....
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Scout.com's Chris Steuber has a similar scenario to mine going down in his latest mock:
- Detroit - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
- St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, LT, Virginia
- Denver (from KC) - Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
- Seattle - Jason Smith, LT, Baylor
- Cleveland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
Aloysius said:
Scout.com's Chris Steuber has a similar scenario to mine going down in his latest mock:- Detroit - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
- St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, LT, Virginia
- Denver (from KC) - Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
- Seattle - Jason Smith, LT, Baylor
- Cleveland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
VERY interesting! Should be a great 3 weeks leading up to this.
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Here's Todd McShay talking about the draft implications of the Cutler trade & Raji's failed drug test:
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I cannot picture Detroit taking Sanchez, while a franchise QB is their biggest need, Sanchez will not be ready to play for another 2,3 years easily. So will Cuelpepper start again this year ? I feel them taking a proven LT
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Here's Todd McShay talking about the draft implications of the Cutler trade & Raji's failed drug test:
Aloysius said:
Here's Todd McShay talking about the draft implications of the Cutler trade & Raji's failed drug test:Yeah....I tend to agree with what he is saying. Somehow Denver has managed to significantly INCREASE the value of the QB's...both in the draft itself and the remaining FA's/Trades.
As for Raji....he probably is still a top 10...but I think top 5 is a stretch at this point.
Orakpo is really starting to look like a likely pick for the Browns...I am just not sure that he is the best fit.
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