Survey Wednesday Christmas Eve Eve
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14 Tony Gonzalez TE Kansas City Chiefs (1997–2008) Atlanta Falcons (2009–2013) 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 Eligible in 2019
14 Peyton Manning QB Indianapolis Colts (1998–2011) Denver Broncos (2012–present) 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014 Active player
14 Bruce Matthews G Houston Oilers / Tennessee Oilers / Tennessee Titans(1983–2001) 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 2007
14 Merlin Olsen DT Los Angeles Rams (1962–1976) 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975 1982
13 Ray Lewis LB Baltimore Ravens (1996–2012) 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 Eligible in 2018
13 Jerry Rice WR San Francisco 49ers (1985–2000) Oakland Raiders (2001–2004)
Seattle Seahawks (2004) 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2002 201013 Reggie White DE Philadelphia Eagles (1985–1992) Green Bay Packers (1993–1998)
Carolina Panthers (2000) 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 200612 Champ Bailey CB Washington Redskins (1999–2003) Denver Broncos (2004–2013) 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 Eligible in 2019
12 Ken Houston S Houston Oilers (1967–1972) Washington Redskins (1973–1980) 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979 1986
12 Randall McDaniel G Minnesota Vikings (1988–1999)Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2000–2001) 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 2009
12 Jim Otto C Oakland Raiders (1960–1974) 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972 1980
12 Junior Seau LB San Diego Chargers (1990–2002)Miami Dolphins (2003–2005) New England Patriots (2006–2009) 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 2015
12 Will Shields G Kansas City Chiefs (1993–2006) 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 2015
11 Larry Allen G Dallas Cowboys (1994–2005) San Francisco 49ers (2006–2007) 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 2013
11 Derrick Brooks LB Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1995–2008) 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 2014
11 Brett Favre QB Atlanta Falcons (1991)Green Bay Packers (1992–2007) New York Jets (2008)
Minnesota Vikings (2009–2010) 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009Eligible in 2016
11 Bob Lilly DT Dallas Cowboys (1961–1974) 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973 1980
11 Tom Mack G Los Angeles Rams (1966–1978) 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1978 1999
11 Gino Marchetti DE Dallas Texans (1953) Baltimore Colts (1953–1966) 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 1972
11 Anthony Muñoz OT Cincinnati Bengals (1980–1992) 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 1998
11 Jonathan Ogden OT Baltimore Ravens (1996–2007) 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 2013
11 Willie Roaf OT New Orleans Saints (1993–2001) Kansas City Chiefs (2002–2005) 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 2012
11 Bruce Smith DE Buffalo Bills (1985–1999) Washington Redskins (2000–2003) 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 2009
11 Rod Woodson CB Pittsburgh Steelers (1987–1996) San Francisco 49ers (1997)Baltimore Ravens (1998–2001) Oakland Raiders (2002–2003) 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 2009
10 Tom Brady QB New England Patriots (2000–present) 2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 Active player
10 Joe Greene DT Pittsburgh Steelers (1969–1981) 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1978, 1979 1987
10 Ronnie Lott S San Francisco 49ers (1981–1990) Los Angeles Raiders (1991–1992) New York Jets (1993–1994) Kansas City Chiefs (1995) 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 2000
10 Leo Nomellini DT San Francisco 49ers (1950–1963) 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961 1969
10 Mel Renfro S Dallas Cowboys (1964–1977) 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973 1996
10 Jim Ringo C Green Bay Packers (1953–1963) Philadelphia Eagles (1964–1967) 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967 1981
10 Barry Sanders RB Detroit Lions (1989–1998) 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 2004
10 Joe Schmidt LB Detroit Lions (1953–1965) 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 1973
10 Mike Singletary LB Chicago Bears (1981–1992) 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992 1998
10 Lawrence Taylor LB New York Giants (1981–1993) 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 1999
10 Johnny Unitas QB Baltimore Colts (1956–1972) San Diego Chargers (1973) 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967 1979
10 Jason Witten TE Dallas Cowboys (2003–present) 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014 Active player t]
Note, every single person that has made 10 Pro Bowls has made the HOF except for those not yet eligible...as highlighted.
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Here are this week's Survey questions. Give your opinions.
1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
Here are this week's Survey questions. Give your opinions.
1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Yep.....Shurmur for sure.....slam dunk!
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
Well, my theory says if you are voted in, then you deserve it....
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
Lead?.....No way......might back in the door though....
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
Absolutely.
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
A visit from my daughter, who I havent seen since july......
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3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
Lead?.....No way......might back in the door though....
A fair way to state it.
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1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
I have to go with Crennel. May have had the X's and O's, but I saw no leadership qualities in him... none.
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
Nick Mangold would be a good, defendable bet...
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
No... Hoyer will be back to lead them.
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
Yes... but only because he is.
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
A new GM...
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1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Chris Palmer
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
I'm OK with him making it.
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
No, Brian Hoyer will.
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
One the best Tackles off all-time.
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
Clothes or something.
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1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Too many to chose from
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
As good as any available this year.
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
No, but JJ Watt might.
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
No, but I'm glad he's ours.
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
Mrs. Claus for another one year contract as usual.
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5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
Mrs. Claus for another one year contract as usual.
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4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
One the best Tackles off all-time.
Only Roaf, Ogden and Munoz have been to more PBs as OTs than JT.
Note that Jim Brown not on above list: He only played 9 years.....but still made PB all 9 years.
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Here are this week's Survey questions. Give your opinions.
1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
Here are this week's Survey questions. Give your opinions.
1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Leon "Bud" Carson... Hands down!
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
No argument
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
Hell fucking no!
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
Undoubtably!
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
A Fitbit!
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Here are this week's Survey questions. Give your opinions.
1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
A Moss Covered Three Handled Family CredenzaHere are this week's Survey questions. Give your opinions.
1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Chris Palmer
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
He didn't impress much but many of the chosen were off previous years and reputation. Like Travis Kelce! Give me a break!
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
Yes he will for 3 reasons. 1) JJ Watt 2) Colts suck with and without Andrew Luck. And we thought Farmer didn't know how to draft?
3) Lousy division GO TEXANS! GO WEEDEN!
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
No it's not fair to say that! How many playoffs, division titles or Super Bowl rings did he bring to Cleveland?
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
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No love for BITCH Davis. I believe it was his actions alone that have made us suffer over the last decade or so. The browns went from a young expansion team to record New lows that this team is still trying to recover from. Yea shurmer was bad but I believe heckert and Holmgren had failsafes in house to replace him almost seamlessly. (Oc and Dc coordinators). Removing those guys was Haslems first and biggest fuck up, to date.
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I was at the Colts vs Texans game.
At one point it was Brandon Weeden vs Charlie Whitehurst.
That's some world class football right there
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1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Probably Nick Skorich, Shurmur, or Buttichek. The latter is probably the worst.
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
Nobody, Mack is solid and dominating when not coming back from injury.
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
lol. NO.
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
Absolutely yes. I believe that's the players and coaches who know that Joe Thomas is on of the elite LT's.
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
A new knee. Dec 28th. Was told I really needed to have it about six years ago......but it's a lot worse. Now, my Wonderful
Cute Wife always gets me cool stuff. I think I matched her thoughtfulness and sense of humor this year. But now, this Dec, I'm on medicare and supplemental, they will pay 100%, so I'm glad I stuck it out.
Why, I should be going upstairs faster than Canton Mike next fall !
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OK Ghoolie, I guess I don't know my literature that well. Who was/is Putney Swope...and what did he do that brings comparisons to JT from you.
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1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Probably Nick Skorich, Shurmur, or Buttichek. The latter is probably the worst.
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
Nobody, Mack is solid and dominating when not coming back from injury.
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
lol. NO.
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
Absolutely yes. I believe that's the players and coaches who know that Joe Thomas is on of the elite LT's.
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
A new knee. Dec 28th. Was told I really needed to have it about six years ago......but it's a lot worse. Now, my Wonderful
Cute Wife always gets me cool stuff. I think I matched her thoughtfulness and sense of humor this year. But now, this Dec, I'm on medicare and supplemental, they will pay 100%, so I'm glad I stuck it out.
Why, I should be going upstairs faster than Canton Mike next fall !
1. Who was the worst Head Coach in Cleveland Browns history?
Probably Nick Skorich, Shurmur, or Buttichek. The latter is probably the worst.
2. If you say that Alex Mack did not deserve his Pro Bowl slot.....who would you have replaced him with?
Nobody, Mack is solid and dominating when not coming back from injury.
3. Will Brandon Weeden lead the Texans into the playoffs?
lol. NO.
4. Joe Thomas has joined an elite group of players to have been selected to the Pro Bowl in their first 9 seasons.......ONLY Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Mean Joe Greene hold that distinction. Is it fair to say that Joe Thomas....despite being on bad teams, is one of the greatest players of all time?
Absolutely yes. I believe that's the players and coaches who know that Joe Thomas is on of the elite LT's.
5. What are you expecting Santa Claus to bring you?
A new knee. Dec 28th. Was told I really needed to have it about six years ago......but it's a lot worse. Now, my Wonderful
Cute Wife always gets me cool stuff. I think I matched her thoughtfulness and sense of humor this year. But now, this Dec, I'm on medicare and supplemental, they will pay 100%, so I'm glad I stuck it out.
Why, I should be going upstairs faster than Canton Mike next fall !
Aha! I give racquetball lessons to the elderly.
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VesnaKociper said:
Putney Swope is a classic black and white modern era movie. The movie centers around a corporation that has to choose a new CEO because the existing one died unexpectedly. In the board room the camera pans around the table from one executive to the next, and in an echoing voice, the viewer gets to hear the thoughts of each one while they ponder who they will vote for.
To a man, their individual thoughts are revealed to be the same.
1) None of them want the position, none of them want to be a part of voting for any other candidate. The view gets to hear them say, "I won't help that sonofabitch to get elected.
2) We then get to hear each of them ponder "who the hell can I vote for that nobody else will"? "How can I vote and not worry about having responsibility for the next CEO?"
3) One-by-one, all the execs come to the same conclusion... "I will vote for Swope.....the black guy....nobody is going to vote for that ass hole"
4) By unanimous decision...............Putney Swope is elected CEO.
Joe Thomas Is Putney Swope. Whether you like it or not, the NFL is a big political.boardroom/politically correct pile of horse shit. They disseminate propaganda and gullible fans, that would ESPECIALLY be Browns fans, gobble it up.
The fact of the matter is Joe Thomas is a decent player, not a great one. However, since 1999 the Browns do not have one single sustainable success story with which the NFL can take pride in itself with this team. JOE THOMAS is the Putney Swope of the NFL. If he played for New England, he would be recognized at his true level, just another B grade LT. He isn't Oher caliber.
He plays on a team where there is no spotlight. There is simply no other highlight to focus on. Joe Thomas is Putney Swope.
I always maintained that Kosar was also Putney Swope. The man had heart and courage, nobody can take that away from him. BUT, I always thought he was a mental midget. Calling him the most intelligent QB was like bragging about the titty bar dancer who you just learned was also a college student working on her Ph. D in cell Biology.
No announcer could, with any credibility compliment Kosar's athletic prowess, so they fabricated bullshit about his intelligence. Post NFL, we can see now that Ol' Ghoolie was again prolific, and the media was creating yet another Putney Swope.
Dude, I don't dislike Joe Thomas. What I lament is that this team is a joke, a disgrace to all that the Browns used to be, and here we are mentally masturbating about a fucking LT. And at that, one who is over rated. Oher didn't just protect the QB, he knocked guys on their ass on running plays. He was good at helping the outside running game. Joe Thomas is not that caliber of player. He IS fast, quick and has great balance. A great QB protector? I'll accept that. But a HOF caliber player? Putney Swope. That's what he is.
By the way................. can I make one more pitch for Santa to bring me the Carbon Face Breitling Chronomat 44 with a pilot Bracelet?
Interesting analysis. I think you are wrong about both JT and Kosar.....only being propped up because we have no one else better to hang our hat on.
But it is an interesting analogy.....for which I believe there well may be someone out there that fits the analogy.
And the first place I would look would be the Browns GMs and HCs over the last 15 years.
There is where I think you will find your Putney Swopes.
I do note that you did not say how well Swope did in his CEO job. Maybe he did great?
I am going to have to get that movie and watch it though.
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"He isn't Oher caliber."
I see.
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Movie Gipper.
WSS
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Aha! I give racquetball lessons to the elderly.
TexasAg**********************************************************
I'm retired, not "elderly", and don't look a day over 45.
I hear it all the time, I just tell em my secret is... I'm chronically immature....
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VesnaKociper said:
He isn't Oher caliber.
I agree. Oher sucks. Oher is on his 3rd team in the last 3 years, and is about to be replaced at the end of this year.
Oher wishes he was Joe Thomas' caliber.
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