The Browns are bringing in USC QB Mark Sanchez.
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Masters said:
Teams don't generally take players they have zero need for in the 1st round.Yeah no shit. They had no need for BQ. Comprende?
If your excuse is that there was a bunch of better QBs on all the other teams then why would you even push this theory?
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I do understand, but bottomline, more than half the teams passed him.
Need or no need...really good qbs don't get passed over for very long.
I don't remember...was he the 1st QB taken that year??
I do understand, but bottomline, more than half the teams passed him.
Need or no need...really good qbs don't get passed over for very long.
I don't remember...was he the 1st QB taken that year??
n/m. Masters covered it (I disagree with your supposition, though
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I do understand, but bottomline, more than half the teams passed him.
Need or no need...really good qbs don't get passed over for very long.
I don't remember...was he the 1st QB taken that year??
The ENTIRE NFL passed over Kurt Warner completely.
The ENTIRE NFL passed over Drew Brees one time.
The ENTIRE NFL passed over Tom Brady FIVE TIMES.
The ENTIRE NFL passed over StudMuffin Derek Anderson FIVE TIMES (then threw him out with the garbage.)
Just because he fell to 22 because teams weren't looking for a QB doesn't mean he'll be no good - just like the mere fact that he was a 1st rounder doesn't guarantee that he will be good.
We're clearly in rebuilding/reloading mode (once again) and not looking at any legit shot at contending this year. We've already spent a 1 AND a 2 to get him. So give the kid a chance to play and prove himself one way or the other so we can see what we got for that 1 AND 2.
The ENTIRE NFL passed over Kurt Warner completely.
The ENTIRE NFL passed over Drew Brees one time.
The ENTIRE NFL passed over Tom Brady FIVE TIMES.
The ENTIRE NFL passed over StudMuffin Derek Anderson FIVE TIMES (then threw him out with the garbage.)
Just because he fell to 22 because teams weren't looking for a QB doesn't mean he'll be no good - just like the mere fact that he was a 1st rounder doesn't guarantee that he will be good.
Very good points!!!
Dan Marino wasn't drafted until 27th overall.
The following QBs were drafted before him:
John Elway (#1)
Todd Blackledge (#7)
Jim Kelly (#14)
Tony Eason (#15)
Ken O'Brien (#24)
It's always been a crapshoot because if you looked at that draft order - #1, #14 and #27 all made the Hall of Fame.
I would be ALOT more comfortable if we drafted a QB in round 1 with intentions of finding out WHO he is and WHAT he is capable of before sending him off somewhere else. It's REALLY stupid to draft a guy in round 1 if your intentions aren't to play him.
It's not like we've played in 1 playoff game yet so I'm not sure what the panic ever was. Shula went to a Superbowl with David Woodley and how long did that keep Marino benched for?
- Tom F.
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Masters said:
So basically they don't think Anderson is the answer and Quinn has the best trade value. Boy, that says a lot about DA.What it says is that they think DA is an NFL starting QB, and that Sanchez could be better down the line. It also says they're getting a decent return on Quinn, doesn't say anything about what they think of his play.
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They're gonna trade Queen, draft Sanchez, and let him sit behind Anderson for a couple years.
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i'd rather we didn't draft a qb first. and not sanchez at 5 maybe he'll be around at 21 and then, oh forget it , it makes no sense.
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n/m. Masters covered it (I disagree with your supposition, though
)I've said it once and I'll say it again. It's very possible Mangini wants his own guy behind center. If a trade goes down with Quinn you can get the help on defense or wherever and draft a franchise QB in round one. I'm not saying it's going to happen but if it does that would be the reason.
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I don't think that drafting a qb in the 1st is a good idea, and is going to happen. Us fans have been all over Quinn because he didn't come in and light it up and save the team. Another, Couch. I'm not even going to comment on. What my point is is that drafting a Qb in the 1st round, i think puts alot of pressure on them these days. Also the fans want you to throw him in right away, and for him to light up the score board within the 1st 5 games. Drafting in the later rounds seems to be a better option for the player and the team. Not really big expectations and lower pressure.
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I don't think that drafting a qb in the 1st is a good idea, and is going to happen. Us fans have been all over Quinn because he didn't come in and light it up and save the team. Another, Couch. I'm not even going to comment on. What my point is is that drafting a Qb in the 1st round, i think puts alot of pressure on them these days. Also the fans want you to throw him in right away, and for him to light up the score board within the 1st 5 games. Drafting in the later rounds seems to be a better option for the player and the team. Not really big expectations and lower pressure.
I don't think that drafting a qb in the 1st is a good idea, and is going to happen. Us fans have been all over Quinn because he didn't come in and light it up and save the team. Another, Couch. I'm not even going to comment on. What my point is is that drafting a Qb in the 1st round, i think puts alot of pressure on them these days. Also the fans want you to throw him in right away, and for him to light up the score board within the 1st 5 games. Drafting in the later rounds seems to be a better option for the player and the team. Not really big expectations and lower pressure.
Wow. Quinn plays 5 quarters healthy and he's already another Couch.
Panic much?
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n/m. Masters covered it (I disagree with your supposition, though
)It really isn't, and I don't disagree with masters...I guess I am saying there are two sides to the coin.
I am not bringing this up to get in to the usual qb chatter as I am one who thinks Quinn can be at least a pretty good qb..how much better only time will tell.
That year in the SI draft edition BQ was rated a 3rd round talent though acknowledged he would be a 1st round selection due to the position he played. That isn't to say they were right, but it does indicate, along with BQ's draft position, that at least some teams/scouts weren't all that high on the guy.
In the mentioning of Russell, it probably shows it was a pretty weak year for qbs and we probably got the best of the two.
We just don't know what the staff wants at qb.....again...this move could be a smoke over in an effort to trade out of the position to get a few teams thinking we just might go qb with our pick or it might mean we could go qb with our pick.
Say we trade DA as more feel we will at some point. We are going to need another qb.
Nothing says we are going to make that other qb some unknown 6th rounder or some FA looking for work.
I do agree though...the odds of us selecting a QB in round 1 would be pretty slim....no higher than 10%, but not down into the minuscule range either.
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I don't think that drafting a qb in the 1st is a good idea, and is going to happen. Us fans have been all over Quinn because he didn't come in and light it up and save the team. Another, Couch. I'm not even going to comment on. What my point is is that drafting a Qb in the 1st round, i think puts alot of pressure on them these days. Also the fans want you to throw him in right away, and for him to light up the score board within the 1st 5 games. Drafting in the later rounds seems to be a better option for the player and the team. Not really big expectations and lower pressure.
Wow. Quinn plays 5 quarters healthy and he's already another Couch.
Panic much?
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ballpeen,
I think this year is an even weaker year for QBs, but then, last year didn't seem all that great either and two of those guys turned in nice rookie seasons. Both of those guys were seniors, though, weren't they, and both had more starting experience than Sanchez.
I'm not wild about Stafford either, but I think judging that Sanchez is worthy of a first round pick based on his limited resume is worse than throwing Quinn away because you only have 3 starting games. Quinn rates as a much higher first round talent than Sanchez, IMO.
If we're going to get a QB, then next year is the year to do it.
I think this is posturing - I'll bet there is no intention of drafting Sanchez. I could see us sticking with one or the other of these guys (or splitting time with them) this year, and then drafting one of the top guys next year if Maningi is happy with either. Bradford or McCoy would fit in nicely with what Mangini is supposed to like in a QB.
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It is a weak qb class this year. As far as publications go, Lindy's is about as good as any and they have the class rated a C-.
Stafford rates out a 8.3, Sanchez a 8.2. The next guy, Freeman rates a 6.5, so the weakness seems to stem more from the lack of decent 3rd, 4th, and 5th QBs on the board rather than weakness at the top.
Just for reference, in this grading scale, 8.0-8.4 projects the player as pro-bowl caliber....just below the 8.5-9 players who would be projected as perennial all-pro's...and not many get that tag.
Stafford doesn't seem to get much love around here...I am not pimping him over Sanchez...or either really.....but the guy is a damn good QB...at least at the college level. Anybody who takes him is getting a top quality qb prospect who isn't a meat head and can make any throw you might want.
I guess all i am saying is it seems the guy is underestimated around here.
Like any qb.....bust factor is pretty high
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Reports were that Queen would have went first in that draft but couldn't come to a contract agreement with Al--zheimers. I get what Peens is saying, but the fact is the QB will never be a "take the best player available" type of pick. You either have a need for one or you don't. Miami completely crapped themselves going after Ginn and the cheap route with Beck later, and ultimately they were relieved of their duties. That Miami team was rancid BTW for years in the draft, and the decision to let Queen slide was mind bogglingly stupid. Same thing happened with Rodgers.
Teams don't pick a QB in the first round when they already have a starter under contract, just doesn't happen hardly ever. Usually, they take a developmental guy in the later rounds.
The reason Couch went number one was primarily because he came to a contract agreement the night before the draft, which threw Akili out the window and they never bothered to look at McNabb. The other deciding factors in taking Couch was the fact Smith was an old (like 24 or 25 from baseball) and only started for one year. It still came down ultimately to Couch agreed to terms and Queen didn't.
When the Browns did the right thing and chose Thomas, it was obvious Queen wouldn't go until Miaimi's pick, but once they went operation moron the slide was on. It happens, although I think Lumfreddy still snaps off to the video of Queen and his little blonde hottie squirming under the ESPN camera scrutiny. Actually, it is one of several porn like pleasures Lums is the proud papa of. The others being the Detroilet preseason game last year and the bowl game where Dexter beat Queen. Course, the Denver start when healthy never happened, that's completely blocked out of the memory bank and booked as nothing but Queen fagdom.
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Teams don't pick a QB in the first round when they already have a starter under contract, just doesn't happen hardly ever. Usually, they take a developmental guy in the later rounds.
I agree.....excepts I do think it is up in the air on if we really have a solid starter.
If all we had was DA, i would bet the majority of the board would favor selecting a QB.
It just boils down to how people evaluate Quinn...and the only evaluation that matters is the coach.
If he feels Quinn isn't what he wants, QB might be the direction we go.
But that will probably play out before the draft if the case. Mangini would probably trade Quinn to remove any distraction it would cause.
It is going to be a interesting 3 weeks.
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I have no problem trading Queen Peens, but if they do that it means we are stuck another year watching Dexter and I don't know if I can get too excited about that. I'd rather move them both, sign a Leftwich type and draft Sanchez.
I like Sanchez a little more than Stafford but the Georgia kid is growing on me, especially given his athleticism, arm and great wonderlic. I think Sanchez is more pro ready given playing at USC instead of Georgia, but both these guys could end up being quality pros. Since they're both coming out early, they'll probably require the year of sitting. What happens if DA has another year decent enough to keep them from committing to one of the drafted QB's? They already pulled that with Queen and we still don't know what we've got.
More and more I just want to completely gut this thing and start over with a ton of picks. Move Edwards, get rid of Lewis, trade concussion prone Pool, do something with Wimpley instead of pretending he's going to miraculously turn it on, etc etc.
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Teams don't pick a QB in the first round when they already have a starter under contract, just doesn't happen hardly ever. Usually, they take a developmental guy in the later rounds.
I agree.....excepts I do think it is up in the air on if we really have a solid starter.
If all we had was DA, i would bet the majority of the board would favor selecting a QB.
It just boils down to how people evaluate Quinn...and the only evaluation that matters is the coach.
If he feels Quinn isn't what he wants, QB might be the direction we go.
But that will probably play out before the draft if the case. Mangini would probably trade Quinn to remove any distraction it would cause.
It is going to be a interesting 3 weeks.
I agree.....excepts I do think it is up in the air on if we really have a solid starter.
If all we had was DA, i would bet the majority of the board would favor selecting a QB.
It just boils down to how people evaluate Quinn...and the only evaluation that matters is the coach.
If he feels Quinn isn't what he wants, QB might be the direction we go.
But that will probably play out before the draft if the case. Mangini would probably trade Quinn to remove any distraction it would cause.
It is going to be a interesting 3 weeks.
Drafting Sanchez would be a mistake for all, he is not any better than Alex Smith was a few years back. Do you really think that the FO would pass on one of the top LB's in the draft. I would have liked to see Sanchez play in the SEC and with just descent recievers. the guy is just to soft, Pete C even said that he wasnt ready and need more experience. We all know that if BE gets traded its Crabtree, if not, we will be drafting Orakpo if Curry is gone. If we had a Defense that could possibly even scare a high school team, we wouldnt need a QB that had to be great.
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I am HIGHLY against a qb in the first round. I was against couch, I was against Quinn (but that's my cross to bear). I am NEVER for drafting a QB in the first. Even if I were Detroit this year. I would not be taking a QB.. again...that's just the way I would roll. There are better ways to build a team IMO.
Not to mention we already have our QB its BQ.
This is strictly posturing for trades.. If someone is drooling for Sanchez who is drafting below us. We want them to think we may take him in an effort to get them to trade up to our spot. Or to raise the value of DA for trade bait.
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I am HIGHLY against a qb in the first round. I was against couch, I was against Quinn (but that's my cross to bear). I am NEVER for drafting a QB in the first. Even if I were Detroit this year. I would not be taking a QB.. again...that's just the way I would roll. There are better ways to build a team IMO.
Not to mention we already have our QB its BQ.
This is strictly posturing for trades.. If someone is drooling for Sanchez who is drafting below us. We want them to think we may take him in an effort to get them to trade up to our spot. Or to raise the value of DA for trade bait.
I am HIGHLY against a qb in the first round. I was against couch, I was against Quinn (but that's my cross to bear). I am NEVER for drafting a QB in the first. Even if I were Detroit this year. I would not be taking a QB.. again...that's just the way I would roll. There are better ways to build a team IMO.
Not to mention we already have our QB its BQ.
This is strictly posturing for trades.. If someone is drooling for Sanchez who is drafting below us. We want them to think we may take him in an effort to get them to trade up to our spot. Or to raise the value of DA for trade bait.
I concur in a lot of ways, but one thing I know is never to assume what a new staff likes or wants.
I said this before and that is Belichick was absolutely in love with Klingler in the 92 draft, and that basically doesn't jive with anything near the norm.
I just wouldn't be shocked if these guys do something drastic with the QB situation. Now Ytown, I know you're going to say it's overreacting, but the fact is nobody knows for sure.
I believe Queen is the man here and most of this is total posturing, but nothing would surprise me and I'm willing to support whatever decision is made as long as Dexter is not the starter here anymore.
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It is possible mankok wants their own pick as the franchise qb but its bad enough they are going to run bqs value down without anyone to throw too and DA is next to worthless for the same reasons so why not draft another carriage to set there in the barn waiting for some horses to pull it because those carriages sure cant carry themselves...
Come on guys this is truly just posturing mankok likes to play the game in full which is awesome and they arent going to waste a #5 on a rookie qb with no legit targets and kill his self esteem when we have so many other truly pressing needs and a thickness in most of those positions this draft..
BQ is still a relative unknown but is a legit first rounder and is deserving of a chance and the worst that comes out of bq winning his shot against da is if he sucks mankok can then legitimately draft their 1st round franchise qb and aquire him some new targets without taking any heat from anyone and thats the way im bettin they play it...
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