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  • "Should I stay or should I go? Come on and let me know..." - The Clash

  • Draft COOK in draft and trade Johnny

    Big ten QBS!!!!!!!

    And get some good free agents in here

    Pay them $$$

    Of course let's start drafting the right way Cleveland

    If you can't maybe Ozzie can help!!!!!

  • 1. Will JM go through his progressions consistently. Have yet to see him do it for more than one series in a row.

    2. Will he anticipate receiver's coming open and deliver an accurate, on time ball.

    3. When he runs will he slide/run out of bounds or does the backup need to stay warmed up when they cart him off.

    Just a few things I want to see his progress on. One last thing people need to QUIT talking about how good the steelers defense is. That defense has been trash this year. Rated 29 against the pass the first time we played them and they're rated even lower now. They might even be last in the league when we play them again.

    "If I stay there will be trouble...

    If I go there will be double..."

    @johnny-fingers-farmer said:

    1. Will JM go through his progressions consistently. Have yet to see him do it for more than one series in a row.

    2. Will he anticipate receiver's coming open and deliver an accurate, on time ball.

    These... ^

    Only additional notes is that reads are made and the progressions are gone thru quickly.

  • "If I stay there will be trouble...

    If I go there will be double..."

    @johnny-fingers-farmer said:

    1. Will JM go through his progressions consistently. Have yet to see him do it for more than one series in a row.

    2. Will he anticipate receiver's coming open and deliver an accurate, on time ball.

    These... ^

    Only additional notes is that reads are made and the progressions are gone thru quickly.

    @tour2ma said:

    Only additional notes is that reads are made and the progressions are gone thru quickly.

    And in the right order please....

    Was watching some of his stuff from the Pittspuke game and he was going backwards......watching the deep routes 1st, before looking to the shorter routes.....(seems like he always works right to left, which shouldnt be the case)

    So he'd look away from his deep routes before the breaks, but was too late to the short routes.....which was 100% backward and caused him to miss all the open routes just because he's looking the wrong way......the whole play....

  • No, wait, oh sorry still No

  • Blech

  • we need continuity.

  • we need continuity.

    @stillmotion said:

    we need continuity.

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

  • @stillmotion said:

    we need continuity.

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

    @baconhound said:

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

    And there it is...

    I've seen nothing that says JM can beat out McC for the starting slot. So whether I trade JM is now a matter of what I think of the prospects in the draft.

  • @baconhound said:

    Agreed, Josh Mccown it is!

    And there it is...

    I've seen nothing that says JM can beat out McC for the starting slot. So whether I trade JM is now a matter of what I think of the prospects in the draft.

    @tour2ma said:

    And there it is...

    I've seen nothing that says JM can beat out McC for the starting slot. So whether I trade JM is now a matter of what I think of the prospects in the draft.

    And I know I've been a Manziel hater but he seems to refuse to stay in the pocket, go through his reads, plant his feet and step into the throw. I don't know how you look at that and say, "oh well he can run"

  • Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

  • Ever since his first pre-season action last year, I have thought that Johnny didn't and will never have what it takes to be a top NFL QB....... Then, now, or ever.

    There it is, and I'll stand by it.

  • VesnaKociper said:

    Now mind you, Manziel is the most talented player on the Browns roster...

    LMAO... right up there with "Eric Heiden"...

    Good one, Ghoulie...

  • Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    @browns149 said:

    Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

  • @browns149 said:

    Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    @mark-o said:

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    I would guess they can teach him footwork. But being as short as he is he seems to always be backpedaling to see.
  • @browns149 said:

    Still no.

    He can't read defenses, and he is very inaccurate, with bad footwork.

    I would have to that those 3 Things are impacted by his short stature

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    @mark-o said:

    So my (honest) question is....Can this be learned, especially the footwork?? I think the footwork is what leads to the inaccuracy. Has there ever been a QB who has such poor footwork after years of playing QB that suddenly becomes good at it?

    Live action in NFL games is a terrible place to work on basic fundamentals. I would think he can work on it in practice, but once the bullets fly for real, players revert back to who and what they are regarding their fundamentals........... Side armers will sling it like a SS turning a double play when the shit hits the fan!

  • A 2nd for Johnny?! Haha

    Another stupid post by a stupid troll

  • Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

  • Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    @bob806 said:

    Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    Just let it go.... don't feed the troll...

  • Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    @bob806 said:

    Forgive me....who is Queerdell?

    Kordell Stewart.. former Stooler QB and Schenley Park blow job enthusiast.