The Browns are bringing in USC QB Mark Sanchez.
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It is a weak qb class this year. As far as publications go, Lindy's is about as good as any and they have the class rated a C-.
Stafford rates out a 8.3, Sanchez a 8.2. The next guy, Freeman rates a 6.5, so the weakness seems to stem more from the lack of decent 3rd, 4th, and 5th QBs on the board rather than weakness at the top.
Just for reference, in this grading scale, 8.0-8.4 projects the player as pro-bowl caliber....just below the 8.5-9 players who would be projected as perennial all-pro's...and not many get that tag.
Stafford doesn't seem to get much love around here...I am not pimping him over Sanchez...or either really.....but the guy is a damn good QB...at least at the college level. Anybody who takes him is getting a top quality qb prospect who isn't a meat head and can make any throw you might want.
I guess all i am saying is it seems the guy is underestimated around here.
Like any qb.....bust factor is pretty high
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Reports were that Queen would have went first in that draft but couldn't come to a contract agreement with Al--zheimers. I get what Peens is saying, but the fact is the QB will never be a "take the best player available" type of pick. You either have a need for one or you don't. Miami completely crapped themselves going after Ginn and the cheap route with Beck later, and ultimately they were relieved of their duties. That Miami team was rancid BTW for years in the draft, and the decision to let Queen slide was mind bogglingly stupid. Same thing happened with Rodgers.
Teams don't pick a QB in the first round when they already have a starter under contract, just doesn't happen hardly ever. Usually, they take a developmental guy in the later rounds.
The reason Couch went number one was primarily because he came to a contract agreement the night before the draft, which threw Akili out the window and they never bothered to look at McNabb. The other deciding factors in taking Couch was the fact Smith was an old (like 24 or 25 from baseball) and only started for one year. It still came down ultimately to Couch agreed to terms and Queen didn't.
When the Browns did the right thing and chose Thomas, it was obvious Queen wouldn't go until Miaimi's pick, but once they went operation moron the slide was on. It happens, although I think Lumfreddy still snaps off to the video of Queen and his little blonde hottie squirming under the ESPN camera scrutiny. Actually, it is one of several porn like pleasures Lums is the proud papa of. The others being the Detroilet preseason game last year and the bowl game where Dexter beat Queen. Course, the Denver start when healthy never happened, that's completely blocked out of the memory bank and booked as nothing but Queen fagdom.
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Teams don't pick a QB in the first round when they already have a starter under contract, just doesn't happen hardly ever. Usually, they take a developmental guy in the later rounds.
I agree.....excepts I do think it is up in the air on if we really have a solid starter.
If all we had was DA, i would bet the majority of the board would favor selecting a QB.
It just boils down to how people evaluate Quinn...and the only evaluation that matters is the coach.
If he feels Quinn isn't what he wants, QB might be the direction we go.
But that will probably play out before the draft if the case. Mangini would probably trade Quinn to remove any distraction it would cause.
It is going to be a interesting 3 weeks.
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I have no problem trading Queen Peens, but if they do that it means we are stuck another year watching Dexter and I don't know if I can get too excited about that. I'd rather move them both, sign a Leftwich type and draft Sanchez.
I like Sanchez a little more than Stafford but the Georgia kid is growing on me, especially given his athleticism, arm and great wonderlic. I think Sanchez is more pro ready given playing at USC instead of Georgia, but both these guys could end up being quality pros. Since they're both coming out early, they'll probably require the year of sitting. What happens if DA has another year decent enough to keep them from committing to one of the drafted QB's? They already pulled that with Queen and we still don't know what we've got.
More and more I just want to completely gut this thing and start over with a ton of picks. Move Edwards, get rid of Lewis, trade concussion prone Pool, do something with Wimpley instead of pretending he's going to miraculously turn it on, etc etc.
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Teams don't pick a QB in the first round when they already have a starter under contract, just doesn't happen hardly ever. Usually, they take a developmental guy in the later rounds.
I agree.....excepts I do think it is up in the air on if we really have a solid starter.
If all we had was DA, i would bet the majority of the board would favor selecting a QB.
It just boils down to how people evaluate Quinn...and the only evaluation that matters is the coach.
If he feels Quinn isn't what he wants, QB might be the direction we go.
But that will probably play out before the draft if the case. Mangini would probably trade Quinn to remove any distraction it would cause.
It is going to be a interesting 3 weeks.
I agree.....excepts I do think it is up in the air on if we really have a solid starter.
If all we had was DA, i would bet the majority of the board would favor selecting a QB.
It just boils down to how people evaluate Quinn...and the only evaluation that matters is the coach.
If he feels Quinn isn't what he wants, QB might be the direction we go.
But that will probably play out before the draft if the case. Mangini would probably trade Quinn to remove any distraction it would cause.
It is going to be a interesting 3 weeks.
Drafting Sanchez would be a mistake for all, he is not any better than Alex Smith was a few years back. Do you really think that the FO would pass on one of the top LB's in the draft. I would have liked to see Sanchez play in the SEC and with just descent recievers. the guy is just to soft, Pete C even said that he wasnt ready and need more experience. We all know that if BE gets traded its Crabtree, if not, we will be drafting Orakpo if Curry is gone. If we had a Defense that could possibly even scare a high school team, we wouldnt need a QB that had to be great.
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I am HIGHLY against a qb in the first round. I was against couch, I was against Quinn (but that's my cross to bear). I am NEVER for drafting a QB in the first. Even if I were Detroit this year. I would not be taking a QB.. again...that's just the way I would roll. There are better ways to build a team IMO.
Not to mention we already have our QB its BQ.
This is strictly posturing for trades.. If someone is drooling for Sanchez who is drafting below us. We want them to think we may take him in an effort to get them to trade up to our spot. Or to raise the value of DA for trade bait.
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I am HIGHLY against a qb in the first round. I was against couch, I was against Quinn (but that's my cross to bear). I am NEVER for drafting a QB in the first. Even if I were Detroit this year. I would not be taking a QB.. again...that's just the way I would roll. There are better ways to build a team IMO.
Not to mention we already have our QB its BQ.
This is strictly posturing for trades.. If someone is drooling for Sanchez who is drafting below us. We want them to think we may take him in an effort to get them to trade up to our spot. Or to raise the value of DA for trade bait.
I am HIGHLY against a qb in the first round. I was against couch, I was against Quinn (but that's my cross to bear). I am NEVER for drafting a QB in the first. Even if I were Detroit this year. I would not be taking a QB.. again...that's just the way I would roll. There are better ways to build a team IMO.
Not to mention we already have our QB its BQ.
This is strictly posturing for trades.. If someone is drooling for Sanchez who is drafting below us. We want them to think we may take him in an effort to get them to trade up to our spot. Or to raise the value of DA for trade bait.
I concur in a lot of ways, but one thing I know is never to assume what a new staff likes or wants.
I said this before and that is Belichick was absolutely in love with Klingler in the 92 draft, and that basically doesn't jive with anything near the norm.
I just wouldn't be shocked if these guys do something drastic with the QB situation. Now Ytown, I know you're going to say it's overreacting, but the fact is nobody knows for sure.
I believe Queen is the man here and most of this is total posturing, but nothing would surprise me and I'm willing to support whatever decision is made as long as Dexter is not the starter here anymore.
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It is possible mankok wants their own pick as the franchise qb but its bad enough they are going to run bqs value down without anyone to throw too and DA is next to worthless for the same reasons so why not draft another carriage to set there in the barn waiting for some horses to pull it because those carriages sure cant carry themselves...
Come on guys this is truly just posturing mankok likes to play the game in full which is awesome and they arent going to waste a #5 on a rookie qb with no legit targets and kill his self esteem when we have so many other truly pressing needs and a thickness in most of those positions this draft..
BQ is still a relative unknown but is a legit first rounder and is deserving of a chance and the worst that comes out of bq winning his shot against da is if he sucks mankok can then legitimately draft their 1st round franchise qb and aquire him some new targets without taking any heat from anyone and thats the way im bettin they play it...
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ballpeen,
I think this year is an even weaker year for QBs, but then, last year didn't seem all that great either and two of those guys turned in nice rookie seasons. Both of those guys were seniors, though, weren't they, and both had more starting experience than Sanchez.
I'm not wild about Stafford either, but I think judging that Sanchez is worthy of a first round pick based on his limited resume is worse than throwing Quinn away because you only have 3 starting games. Quinn rates as a much higher first round talent than Sanchez, IMO.
If we're going to get a QB, then next year is the year to do it.
I think this is posturing - I'll bet there is no intention of drafting Sanchez. I could see us sticking with one or the other of these guys (or splitting time with them) this year, and then drafting one of the top guys next year if Maningi is happy with either. Bradford or McCoy would fit in nicely with what Mangini is supposed to like in a QB.
ballpeen,
I think this year is an even weaker year for QBs, but then, last year didn't seem all that great either and two of those guys turned in nice rookie seasons. Both of those guys were seniors, though, weren't they, and both had more starting experience than Sanchez.
I'm not wild about Stafford either, but I think judging that Sanchez is worthy of a first round pick based on his limited resume is worse than throwing Quinn away because you only have 3 starting games. Quinn rates as a much higher first round talent than Sanchez, IMO.
If we're going to get a QB, then next year is the year to do it.
I think this is posturing - I'll bet there is no intention of drafting Sanchez. I could see us sticking with one or the other of these guys (or splitting time with them) this year, and then drafting one of the top guys next year if Maningi is happy with either. Bradford or McCoy would fit in nicely with what Mangini is supposed to like in a QB.
The only thing Mark Sanchez is good for is giving the whole USC football team Dirty Sanchez's - He will be garbage like a Trent Green or a David Carr - Why not go after Crabtree, Orakpo. If we take a QB for our first round pick I will "officially put out a hit on Mangina Kockfaceunitus" - The dolphins turned thier team around in 1 year so can we..... This has to eventually come to an end, we are not the Detroit Lions, lets make shit happen - SOOOO do this play Quinn period - draft Crabtree - trade DA for a second rounder grab Shonn Greene or Wells pick up a LB in the Second round and grab Robiskie in the 3rd or 4th - lets actually try to bring back the cardiac kids by not giving us cardiac arrest DAMMNNNN!!!
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Masters said:
Teams don't generally take players they have zero need for in the 1st round.Yeah no shit. They had no need for BQ. Comprende?
If your excuse is that there was a bunch of better QBs on all the other teams then why would you even push this theory?
Yeah no shit. They had no need for BQ. Comprende?
If your excuse is that there was a bunch of better QBs on all the other teams then why would you even push this theory?
Um yes they did. They had Frye who had showed only a little promise as a 2nd rounder and DA who they picked up off the waiver wire (and was aweful in his 2006 starts). CLE had a need a QB and one fell in the draft for a good price.
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They're gonna trade Queen, draft Sanchez, and let him sit behind Anderson for a couple years.
They're gonna trade Queen, draft Sanchez, and let him sit behind Anderson for a couple years.
Loverboy,
You must have made an adorable homecoming Princess for DA. I gotta better idea if we keep Dumb Ass starting at QB. We're gonna make you sit downwind of him the entire time so you can describe how bad he stinks. The Cardiac Kids sounds so much better than Dr Kevorkian's Passing Clinic. Oh well, keep telling us how wonderful you think 4 win seasons are.
- Tom F.
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Having Sanchez in for a workout might be just to prompt a trade down in the first with someone who wants him.
However, if they also bring in another QB for a workout... then what?
Presently on the Browns' own website, some info about Nate Davis of Ball State.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9478
If they bring him or another QB in for a workout then something might be up.
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Having Sanchez in for a workout might be just to prompt a trade down in the first with someone who wants him.
However, if they also bring in another QB for a workout... then what?
Presently on the Browns' own website, some info about Nate Davis of Ball State.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9478
If they bring him or another QB in for a workout then something might be up.
Having Sanchez in for a workout might be just to prompt a trade down in the first with someone who wants him.
However, if they also bring in another QB for a workout... then what?
Presently on the Browns' own website, some info about Nate Davis of Ball State.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9478
If they bring him or another QB in for a workout then something might be up.
They're bringing in Hoyer also. They have to have someone after they dump DA.
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Surely this means the plan is to unload one of our QB's as with Dorsey gone, we need to look who will back up the starter. All makes sense.
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Surely this means the plan is to unload one of our QB's as with Dorsey gone, we need to look who will back up the starter. All makes sense.
Surely this means the plan is to unload one of our QB's as with Dorsey gone, we need to look who will back up the starter. All makes sense.
Unfortunately for Dorsey, when the winds prevented his passes from crossing the line of scrimmage, he was (to coin a phrase) "Gone with the Wind." When it gets so bad you're missing Todd Philcox and Paul McDonald, HELP!!!!
- Tom F.
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The two top picks in this years draft at the moment are Sanchez and Chris Wells..........since we have no offense how can yu lose picking either?
While I think Wells will be productive in the NFL and has 1st round value, I am far from sold on Sanchez. Even his own HC doesn't think he is NFL ready. Dude has one year starting at college. That is far from a recipe for success at the NFL level.
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I think it's both smokescreen and purposeful. I think that they really want the teams behind them considering it. On the other hand if McDaniels shoots his draft load over Quinn, you need to know what the QBs in this draft can offer and if you take one THAT high...you definitely want to have done your homework. In Camp Mangini, EVERYTHING has a purpose.
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