Jonathan Paul Manziel

joedawg69

OK, I see where you are coming from westside; but, do you really think Manziel could have run the offense the way it was?

BaconHound

Again, Johnny Hater On The Spot, this certainly isn't a fault of Johnny's but when you have a run first, small QB injuries seem a lot more likely. Again it seems like a no brainer to part ways when it doesn't appear that he is the future.

Westside Steve

@baconhound said:
Again, Johnny Hater On The Spot, this certainly isn't a fault of Johnny's but when you have a run first, small QB injuries seem a lot more likely. Again it seems like a no brainer to part ways when it doesn't appear that he is the future.

Unlike Josh, the man of glass?

Or Dalton or Hoyer or...

WSS

Westside Steve

@joedawg69 said:
OK, I see where you are coming from westside; but, do you really think Manziel could have run the offense the way it was?

Why not?

It has been basically vanilla.

I mean there were a lot of weird signals to call but I never saw anything complicated, did you?

WSS

BaconHound

@westside-steve said:

Unlike Josh, the man of glass?

Or Dalton or Hoyer or...

WSS

I think the Browns organization, and fans, would be very happy with Andy Dalton being the starter week 1 2016. The other 2 seem are just place holders until you find "the guy". Johnny is also a place holder but one with baggage.

Westside Steve

And to be honest I do fault Johnny for not knowing the offence the first year. I've never argued that. So when you pull out a completely new one when he didn't know the old one and expect the rest of the team to be on the same page...

WSS

Richiswhere

Hey it only gets better Tramon Williams is on the concussion protocol.

Richiswhere

Johnny Manziel theme song

Westside Steve

@baconhound said:

I think the Browns organization, and fans, would be very happy with Andy Dalton being the starter week 1 2016. The other 2 seem are just place holders until you find "the guy". Johnny is also a place holder but one with baggage.

Yeah? You think Andy Dalton would be going to the playoffs with this team?

Guess it's a good thing he didn't get shitcanned early in Cincinnati?

Along with the coaching staff and front office.

WSS

Why

Austin "Wounded Duck" Davis . . . Woo

Can't wait til this season is finally over

hoorta

@richiswhere said:
Hey it only gets better Tramon Williams is on the concussion protocol.

Can we just forfeit, and get it over with? Or is every guy with a f**king headache now in "concussion protocol"?

joedawg69

Oh, I am sure it did not help him any; but I am just not sure anything can help him. He reminds me to much of Brady Quinn whom I also did not like.

Dste Ace

@hoorta said:

Can we just forfeit, and get it over with? Or is every guy with a f**king headache now in "concussion protocol"?

I have a feeling that it's more like our guys know Pitt is coming off a bad loss and Sunday is going to be a bloodbath.

D Bone

@cdl15 said:
There goes the season down the toilet.

One of the best I've read

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@richiswhere said:

Johnny Manziel theme song

Awesome.

cdl15

@alkid3 said:
Yet Manziel had more wins... played less games in a row. If given a full season he would have done a lot better then mccown. Not saying Manziel is a franchise qb. But comparing him to a career backup that only won 1 game...

yea but the real honest difference is in the Baltimore win and any other game the browns coulda won McCown absolutely carried the team. John needs a lot of help to win. Always will.

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@cdl15 said:
yea but the real honest difference is in the Baltimore win and any other game the browns coulda won McCown absolutely carried the team. John needs a lot of help to win. Always will.

You mean a guy 4 starts into his career was less adept at reading defenses than a guy who's been playing since 1942?

Westside Steve

@joedawg69 said:
Oh, I am sure it did not help him any; but I am just not sure anything can help him. He reminds me to much of Brady Quinn whom I also did not like.

I don't get that comparison at all.

For one thing he's 6 foot 3 and 235 pounds.

WSS

cdl15

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
You mean a guy 4 starts into his career was less adept at reading defenses than a guy who's been playing since 1942?

maybe we going about it all wrong. He couldn't beat out "backup" Hoyer. Couldn't beat out much older "backup" McCown. Maybe it's time to bring in Hasselbeck? Maybe just then Manzeil would be best option to win.

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@cdl15 said:
maybe we going about it all wrong. He couldn't beat out "backup" Hoyer. Couldn't beat out much older "backup" McCown. Maybe it's time to bring in Hasselbeck? Maybe just then Manzeil would be best option to win.

You mean a rookie with 0 starts couldn't bear out a guy with 6 years experience? Then a guy with 2 and a half starts couldn't beat out a guy with a million years experience?

Surely a guy with 6 starts can beat out a guy with a million years experience AND a super bowl appearance.