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  • Some responses here about faking are just plain ignorant. If Manziel is "faking" a concussion, then the MD who is checking him for it needs to be fired for not knowing how to detect a "fake" from a real concussion. It's ludicrous to suggest that either Manziel or Pettine are using this as a convenient out for Sunday.

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  • C CaineDeSoulis

    In a rare turn of events i agree with tcpo on her last point

    @cainedesoulis said:

    In a rare turn of events i agree with tcpo on her last point

    I don't. I'll never believe this organization didn't give JM every opportunity to start day one. If he was worth a dogshit he woulda grabbed the reigns day one from Hoyer. Instead we had to wait till week 14 to see y he didn't, the shittist debut ever.

    Wasted a whole off-season due to Therapy. Honestly 2015 woulda impressed me if he was a 5th round pick or worse. His biggest issue was pointed out by Rich Gannon. He just doesnt take his work home with him enough the way everyone else does. Because God forbid, we have proof of what his free time entails.

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.

  • The more I think about it, the more I don't see a way out of taking a QB first. We're going to have a new GM, and probably new coaching staff. Even if we just have a new GM, he's going to want his own QB. He won't want to pin his career on a guy that hasn't proven near enough, can't stay out of the negative light, and will probably be a risk to get injured every week.

    The sad thing is, I really WANT Manziel to succeed. I relate well to people fighting addiction, and I want them to fight through it and succeed. I also enjoy Manziel's style of play, and think he could be an absolute riot to watch (if he gets his accuracy down).

    But he was injured to end the year last season, he's injured again, and I get the feeling that the "reset button" is looming. Goff is the guy, and I think his stock is going to skyrocket soon. Paxton Lynch will get a ton of publicity, as his physical prowess is unmatched, but Goff's arm and cerebral manner will serve him well.

  • Browns looking to draft the next great QB year after year after year.

  • U Unsympathetic

    What's the difference in symptoms between "concussed" and "hung over" ?

    I have all of those symptoms after a few too many rounds of scotch. Give me a bottle of Glenlivet Nadurra and a couple Cohibas and I won't get to my baseline for a couple days.

    @unsympathetic said:

    What's the difference in symptoms between "concussed" and "hung over" ?

    I have all of those symptoms after a few too many rounds of scotch. Give me a bottle of Glenlivet Nadurra and a couple Cohibas and I won't get to my baseline for a couple days.

    If you wake up feeling that way after drinking AND have a bump on your head, it's likely to be a concussion.

  • Read an interesting article on the Browns and all their concussions......(and think I gained a lil insight here)

    As noted previously, we lead the league in the # of players with concussions and # of games missed due to concussions......and, even more telling, is that we have led the league since 2013 in these stats.....having the most concussions over the last 3 years.....

    And, this season, we have 2 guys who have suffered fairly severe concussions.....Haden and Hawkins.....

    And what Im hearing, when they and other players talk about them, is fear......concern....worry.....

    And I think this comes from them learning about it .....and then witnessing some pretty serious head knocks......and them seeing their teammates(more than any other team) suffering the consequences......which creates MORE discussion and more concern and more fear about concussions, etc....

    and since everyone is SO tuned into it....pretty soon....it becomes a self fulfilling thing.....and every player that feels a little off, or a head ache, or a little dizzy is now asking to be checked????.......simply due to the fear factor created by constant exposure?????..

    And, once you come forward with symptoms..... protocol happens.....ala time missed, games missed, etc....

    Maybe the Browns players have just developed a "fear of concussion culture" without even realizing it.....

  • It's amazing what a title will do for someone.......a title like "first round pick", for example......

    If we picked Johnny in the 3rd round or the 5th round(where many thought he SHOULD be picked).......would he even be here now?....would people still be expecting great things?.......would there be so many fighting for him to stay?.....

    I think not.....

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  • Get concussed like a Brown???

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • W Westside Steve

    @baconhound said:

    The simple point being made is small running QBs have prove susceptible to injury. Which is just another check in the "cut ties" column for Johnny Manziel.

    The simpler point is that quarterbacks are going to get hurt.

    (the simplest point is that the concussion protocol has fucked up the game)

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    The simpler point is that quarterbacks are going to get hurt.

    (the simplest point is that the concussion protocol has fucked up the game)

    WSS

    C'mon Man! If you think you've got a better chance of making it through a season with Manziel/RG3 vs Brady/Rodgers you're high.

    W 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Get concussed like a Brown???

    @tour2ma said:

    Get concussed like a Brown???

    Welcome to First Energy Stadium home of the Cleveland Concussions

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    It's amazing what a title will do for someone.......a title like "first round pick", for example......

    If we picked Johnny in the 3rd round or the 5th round(where many thought he SHOULD be picked).......would he even be here now?....would people still be expecting great things?.......would there be so many fighting for him to stay?.....

    I think not.....

    @mudfly said:

    It's amazing what a title will do for someone.......a title like "first round pick", for example......

    If we picked Johnny in the 3rd round or the 5th round(where many thought he SHOULD be picked).......would he even be here now?....would people still be expecting great things?.......would there be so many fighting for him to stay?.....

    I think not.....

    This is the only reason I can fathom for the organization not moving forward. It's a oh shit we fucked up on another first round pick. To be more of a conspiracy nut if ODB, Aaron Donald or CJ Mosley was drafted instead of Gilbert, Manziel would be gone. To say that Ray Farmer has been anything other than a complete clusterfuck is insane.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    It's amazing what a title will do for someone.......a title like "first round pick", for example......

    If we picked Johnny in the 3rd round or the 5th round(where many thought he SHOULD be picked).......would he even be here now?....would people still be expecting great things?.......would there be so many fighting for him to stay?.....

    I think not.....

    @mudfly said:

    It's amazing what a title will do for someone.......a title like "first round pick", for example......

    If we picked Johnny in the 3rd round or the 5th round(where many thought he SHOULD be picked).......would he even be here now?....would people still be expecting great things?.......would there be so many fighting for him to stay?.....

    I think not.....

    Or....

    If JM had to sweat in the green room until Rnd 3 when we some team called and asked him, "Did you get the message, Son? No one trusts you with their team." Would then he have applied himself Day 1 and been ready for OTAs and camp?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @mudfly said:

    It's amazing what a title will do for someone.......a title like "first round pick", for example......

    If we picked Johnny in the 3rd round or the 5th round(where many thought he SHOULD be picked).......would he even be here now?....would people still be expecting great things?.......would there be so many fighting for him to stay?.....

    I think not.....

    Or....

    If JM had to sweat in the green room until Rnd 3 when we some team called and asked him, "Did you get the message, Son? No one trusts you with their team." Would then he have applied himself Day 1 and been ready for OTAs and camp?

    @tour2ma said:

    Or....

    Would then he have applied himself Day 1 and been ready for OTAs and camp?

    Or.....not understanding how to deal with the lack of entitlement.....

    ....would he have taken it to heart and just completely spiraled out of control from day 1....???....

    Either option is a realistic possibility.....but we will never know...... 🤔

  • B BaconHound

    @westside-steve said:

    The simpler point is that quarterbacks are going to get hurt.

    (the simplest point is that the concussion protocol has fucked up the game)

    WSS

    C'mon Man! If you think you've got a better chance of making it through a season with Manziel/RG3 vs Brady/Rodgers you're high.

    @baconhound said:

    C'mon Man! If you think you've got a better chance of making it through a season with Manziel/RG3 vs Brady/Rodgers you're high.

    Or Mariotta or Bilgewater or "California Slim?"

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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  • No.. but he's gone along with Ray and Mike

  • He's changed my mind, I now want him gone.

  • W Westside Steve

    @baconhound said:

    C'mon Man! If you think you've got a better chance of making it through a season with Manziel/RG3 vs Brady/Rodgers you're high.

    Or Mariotta or Bilgewater or "California Slim?"

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Or Mariotta or Bilgewater or "California Slim?"

    WSS

    Absolutely. I'd even throw Newton on that list because when you are essentially a RB you are at a greater risk. Now that all being said, Bridgewater, Kaepernik, RG3 and Newton have all had more NFL success than Johnny

  • B BaconHound

    @westside-steve said:

    Or Mariotta or Bilgewater or "California Slim?"

    WSS

    Absolutely. I'd even throw Newton on that list because when you are essentially a RB you are at a greater risk. Now that all being said, Bridgewater, Kaepernik, RG3 and Newton have all had more NFL success than Johnny

    @baconhound said:

    Absolutely. I'd even throw Newton on that list because when you are essentially a RB you are at a greater risk. Now that all being said, Bridgewater, Kaepernik, RG3 and Newton have all had more NFL success than Johnny

    And they've not had a head coach with a hard on to keep them off the field.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Greg McElroy 2016.

  • Alex Smith threw for 125 yards in the game, although his completion percentage was much better. The Chiefs also have a pretty darn good defense and the weather was crap.

    There is still plenty of work for Johnny to do, as Gannon repeatedly mentioned during the broadcast. I don't see why he shouldn't be given a chance to compete for the starting job in training camp/preseason.

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