We have to draft Bosa
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Ok..RGIII, Jake Locker, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith. Would you like more examples?
all busts, what about Kalil mack, Carr, Bridgewater, Watkins, AJ green, Clay Matthews , Mike Evans we could have had anyone of those players but oh wait thats too high to pick them, so fuck that we need a QB and the best one is Goff, dont care if we pick him #1 overall or 10 we have to fix the QB position.
all busts, what about Kalil mack, Carr, Bridgewater, Watkins, AJ green, Clay Matthews , Mike Evans we could have had anyone of those players but oh wait thats too high to pick them, so fuck that we need a QB and the best one is Goff, dont care if we pick him #1 overall or 10 we have to fix the QB position.
I'm not convinced he's good enough. I'm not sure that he's not going to be a bust. I'd rather have Bosa who doesn't look to me to be a bust and find a QB somewhere else.
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Ok..RGIII, Jake Locker, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith. Would you like more examples?
all busts, what about Kalil mack, Carr, Bridgewater, Watkins, AJ green, Clay Matthews , Mike Evans we could have had anyone of those players but oh wait thats too high to pick them, so fuck that we need a QB and the best one is Goff, dont care if we pick him #1 overall or 10 we have to fix the QB position.
all busts, what about Kalil mack, Carr, Bridgewater, Watkins, AJ green, Clay Matthews , Mike Evans we could have had anyone of those players but oh wait thats too high to pick them, so fuck that we need a QB and the best one is Goff, dont care if we pick him #1 overall or 10 we have to fix the QB position.
Why are you giving non QB examples? You are hurting your own argument. Plus Bridgewater isn't good. Carr is, but he wasn't projected to go very high, which again hurts your argument haha
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all busts, what about Kalil mack, Carr, Bridgewater, Watkins, AJ green, Clay Matthews , Mike Evans we could have had anyone of those players but oh wait thats too high to pick them, so fuck that we need a QB and the best one is Goff, dont care if we pick him #1 overall or 10 we have to fix the QB position.
Why are you giving non QB examples? You are hurting your own argument. Plus Bridgewater isn't good. Carr is, but he wasn't projected to go very high, which again hurts your argument haha
Why are you giving non QB examples? You are hurting your own argument. Plus Bridgewater isn't good. Carr is, but he wasn't projected to go very high, which again hurts your argument haha
the point is about if we would just follow some of the "EXPERT" mocks we would not be 3-13 again. mocks have Goff as first QB off the board at 4 or 5 my argument is if he can go 4 then why not 2. Draft is not what it used to be, rookie pay scale changed all that.
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Why are you giving non QB examples? You are hurting your own argument. Plus Bridgewater isn't good. Carr is, but he wasn't projected to go very high, which again hurts your argument haha
the point is about if we would just follow some of the "EXPERT" mocks we would not be 3-13 again. mocks have Goff as first QB off the board at 4 or 5 my argument is if he can go 4 then why not 2. Draft is not what it used to be, rookie pay scale changed all that.
the point is about if we would just follow some of the "EXPERT" mocks we would not be 3-13 again. mocks have Goff as first QB off the board at 4 or 5 my argument is if he can go 4 then why not 2. Draft is not what it used to be, rookie pay scale changed all that.
But some mocks have Lynch as the first Qb. Who's right?
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all busts, what about Kalil mack, Carr, Bridgewater, Watkins, AJ green, Clay Matthews , Mike Evans we could have had anyone of those players but oh wait thats too high to pick them, so fuck that we need a QB and the best one is Goff, dont care if we pick him #1 overall or 10 we have to fix the QB position.
I'm not convinced he's good enough. I'm not sure that he's not going to be a bust. I'd rather have Bosa who doesn't look to me to be a bust and find a QB somewhere else.
I'm not convinced he's good enough. I'm not sure that he's not going to be a bust. I'd rather have Bosa who doesn't look to me to be a bust and find a QB somewhere else.
I would much rather have Bosa.
And to the previous point being drafted in the first round means that there's at least some sort of consensus that you are one of the best 32 players available.
And because the quarterback position is important (not nearly as important as a lot of fans want to believe) there's more of a chance of a bust. Because a bus is considered a guy who isn't Joe Montana in his rookie season.
The Houston dumbass Texans are going to the playoffs. If you could take one player from their team who would it be? One of their irreplaceable quarterbacks? Or quite possibly the best defensive player in the league?
WSS
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I'm not convinced he's good enough. I'm not sure that he's not going to be a bust. I'd rather have Bosa who doesn't look to me to be a bust and find a QB somewhere else.
I would much rather have Bosa.
And to the previous point being drafted in the first round means that there's at least some sort of consensus that you are one of the best 32 players available.
And because the quarterback position is important (not nearly as important as a lot of fans want to believe) there's more of a chance of a bust. Because a bus is considered a guy who isn't Joe Montana in his rookie season.
The Houston dumbass Texans are going to the playoffs. If you could take one player from their team who would it be? One of their irreplaceable quarterbacks? Or quite possibly the best defensive player in the league?
WSS
The Houston dumbass Texans are going to the playoffs. If you could take one player from their team who would it be? One of their irreplaceable quarterbacks? Or quite possibly the best defensive player in the league?
WSS
Clearly it's JJ Watt. They do have a really really good WR (can't remember his name) but that brings up the point of how much would a guy like Josh Gordon help this offense?
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well i hope you all see the change in the defense when Bosa got ejected. Not terrible obviously but it was clear the Irish offense started to open up and the QB had time to look downfield. When you have a guy like Bosa the entire defensive front benefits. Absolutely ridiculous that a helmet shot to the chest is an ejectable offense. To the facemask or the chinstrap...ok. Terrible rule. Changed the game.
Notice though the difference between Smith's absence and Bosa's. The Irish defense didn't really change with Smith' injury, shows the overall impact each player had on the entire defense. And Smith is their MLB'er, his absence "should" have had a greater impact than a defensive lineman. I remember some of you saying that Hubbard is just as good as Bosa. I mean seriously? If Hubbard had to come out right now he'd be lucky to be taken in teh 4th round. He could potentially slip into the supplemental. He'll be turned into a 3-4 OLB'er, he's not a natural 4-3 DE .
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Draft Bosa sign Mario Williams
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well i hope you all see the change in the defense when Bosa got ejected. Not terrible obviously but it was clear the Irish offense started to open up and the QB had time to look downfield. When you have a guy like Bosa the entire defensive front benefits. Absolutely ridiculous that a helmet shot to the chest is an ejectable offense. To the facemask or the chinstrap...ok. Terrible rule. Changed the game.
Notice though the difference between Smith's absence and Bosa's. The Irish defense didn't really change with Smith' injury, shows the overall impact each player had on the entire defense. And Smith is their MLB'er, his absence "should" have had a greater impact than a defensive lineman. I remember some of you saying that Hubbard is just as good as Bosa. I mean seriously? If Hubbard had to come out right now he'd be lucky to be taken in teh 4th round. He could potentially slip into the supplemental. He'll be turned into a 3-4 OLB'er, he's not a natural 4-3 DE .
Absolutely ridiculous that a helmet shot to the chest is an ejectable offense. To the facemask or the chinstrap...ok. Terrible rule. Changed the game.
Totally agree
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Draft Bosa sign Mario Williams
Draft Bosa sign Mario Williams
That would be sick but if we sign Mario we might not need to draft Bosa, we could take Smith if his injury isn't terribly serious which it doesn't look like. We could get the best MLB'er in years plus have one one of the best proven DE's in the game.
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Draft Bosa sign Mario Williams
Draft Bosa sign Mario Williams
Things like that don't happen in Cleveland
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we'd have to retain Pettine probably to have a shot at signing Mario.
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Yikes.
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the point is about if we would just follow some of the "EXPERT" mocks we would not be 3-13 again. mocks have Goff as first QB off the board at 4 or 5 my argument is if he can go 4 then why not 2. Draft is not what it used to be, rookie pay scale changed all that.
But some mocks have Lynch as the first Qb. Who's right?
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No QB with the first pick. We can't pass on immediate production because we "hope" some kid pans out in a couple years. Utterly ridiculous for any true Browns fan to be harping for another project QB.
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The Houston dumbass Texans are going to the playoffs. If you could take one player from their team who would it be? One of their irreplaceable quarterbacks? Or quite possibly the best defensive player in the league?
WSS
Clearly it's JJ Watt. They do have a really really good WR (can't remember his name) but that brings up the point of how much would a guy like Josh Gordon help this offense?
Clearly it's JJ Watt. They do have a really really good WR (can't remember his name) but that brings up the point of how much would a guy like Josh Gordon help this offense?
Yes indeed. We also have a great tight end in Barney.
Let's hope Gordon shows up with a training camp and time to get in sync.
WSS
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No QB with the first pick. We can't pass on immediate production because we "hope" some kid pans out in a couple years. Utterly ridiculous for any true Browns fan to be harping for another project QB.
No QB with the first pick. We can't pass on immediate production because we "hope" some kid pans out in a couple years. Utterly ridiculous for any true Browns fan to be harping for another project QB.
so your good with McCown and Manziel? Good grief. Face it Farmer, Pettine, Manziel are all gone after Sunday. Next coach is going to want a QB. He wont give a damn that us season ticket holders or fans want Bosa. I had hoped that Johnny Youtube would finally come around and we could get Bosa, but we all can see that is never going to happen. No guarantee that Bosa wont be a bust. Need to get a QB early and roll with him. If somebody in here can convince me that we can get a starting QB with pick #32 then spill it, I would gladly get on that train.
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Tweet or no tweet... the only thing he could have done to make what he did more obvious would have been to clasp his hands behind his back.
Exactly the opposite actually... The neck is made to bend. Compression is the source of spinal injuries. That is why the rule is: "See what you hit!"
Yep...Im not sure I like the penalty being ejection, but they've been pretty consistent with it all year. The tweet to me showed that he is someone who owns up to his mistakes as opposed to making excuses.
Great TE? How about a TE who had a great year? At least until he repeats his 2015 production at least one time...
Yep...Im not sure I like the penalty being ejection, but they've been pretty consistent with it all year. The tweet to me showed that he is someone who owns up to his mistakes as opposed to making excuses.
I can't recall an ejection due to a blow with the crown of the helmet that was not to the head/neck area involving some helmet to helmet contact.
Anyway I've seen a couple more replays and my initial impression stands...
Bosa found a path to the draft that was sure to not include crutches.
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No QB with the first pick. We can't pass on immediate production because we "hope" some kid pans out in a couple years. Utterly ridiculous for any true Browns fan to be harping for another project QB.
so your good with McCown and Manziel? Good grief. Face it Farmer, Pettine, Manziel are all gone after Sunday. Next coach is going to want a QB. He wont give a damn that us season ticket holders or fans want Bosa. I had hoped that Johnny Youtube would finally come around and we could get Bosa, but we all can see that is never going to happen. No guarantee that Bosa wont be a bust. Need to get a QB early and roll with him. If somebody in here can convince me that we can get a starting QB with pick #32 then spill it, I would gladly get on that train.
so your good with McCown and Manziel? Good grief. Face it Farmer, Pettine, Manziel are all gone after Sunday. Next coach is going to want a QB. He wont give a damn that us season ticket holders or fans want Bosa. I had hoped that Johnny Youtube would finally come around and we could get Bosa, but we all can see that is never going to happen. No guarantee that Bosa wont be a bust. Need to get a QB early and roll with him. If somebody in here can convince me that we can get a starting QB with pick #32 then spill it, I would gladly get on that train.
I'm good with McCown for next year and a rookie. No one knows for sure that Pettine is gone on Monday, I still don't think it will happen. As for Johnny, that all depends completely on whether or not Pettine is still the coach. If he stays....I think Johnny is gone. If we have a new coach, it all depends on whether or not that new coach wants Johnny sideshow. A guy like Chip Kelly might want to keep him around. Another coach might want no part of him. We'll know more in about 72 hours.
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Great TE? How about a TE who had a great year? At least until he repeats his 2015 production at least one time...
Yep...Im not sure I like the penalty being ejection, but they've been pretty consistent with it all year. The tweet to me showed that he is someone who owns up to his mistakes as opposed to making excuses.
I can't recall an ejection due to a blow with the crown of the helmet that was not to the head/neck area involving some helmet to helmet contact.
Anyway I've seen a couple more replays and my initial impression stands...
Bosa found a path to the draft that was sure to not include crutches.
Great TE? How about a TE who had a great year? At least until he repeats his 2015 production at least one time...
I can't recall an ejection due to a blow with the crown of the helmet that was not to the head/neck area involving some helmet to helmet contact.
Anyway I've seen a couple more replays and my initial impression stands...
Bosa found a path to the draft that was sure to not include crutches.
This is copied from an explanation of the targeting. Last sentence in first paragraph explains it.
What officials look for are what the rulebook calls targeting elements: crouching and hitting with an upward thrust; launching into a player to hit them in the head; contact above the shoulders on a defenseless player; leading with the crown of the helmet.
Video reviews are used to determine whether the contact was above the shoulders or the hit was with the crown of the helmet.
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