mario wlliams
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Drop Bowe and make cap space available for Williams if it can be done that way. Bowe is a huge waste of bench space.
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Right....they HAVE TO cut Bowe.....have to.....no way he can stay another year.....
And, if he stays, they are paying him way more than the $9M people keep mentioning.....it'll be more like $12M, I do believe....
Right....they HAVE TO cut Bowe.....have to.....no way he can stay another year.....
And, if he stays, they are paying him way more than the $9M people keep mentioning.....it'll be more like $12M, I do believe....
IIRC, $12.5m over two years, fully guaranteed for the first year, half for year two, so we're on the hook for around $3m next year regardless. May be more intricate than that, but that is the simple version.
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Right....they HAVE TO cut Bowe.....have to.....no way he can stay another year.....
And, if he stays, they are paying him way more than the $9M people keep mentioning.....it'll be more like $12M, I do believe....
IIRC, $12.5m over two years, fully guaranteed for the first year, half for year two, so we're on the hook for around $3m next year regardless. May be more intricate than that, but that is the simple version.
IIRC, $12.5m over two years, fully guaranteed for the first year, half for year two, so we're on the hook for around $3m next year regardless. May be more intricate than that, but that is the simple version.
My take too.....
Same with Kruger.....we've "almost" met the guarantee with him too.......so, if we keep him, he's in at 7 or 8 million for the season.....but if we cut him, it only costs us 2.5 mil (or so)....
Back to Williams....my only concern would be his bitching bout the "system" and basically blaming his coach for his failure to play well this season.....kinda what Kruger did, but MUCH louder and in a more public way.....
That is worrisome.....
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He's bitched whenever a DC has tried to stand him up. Mud. Did the same in Houston years ago when Wade Phillips arrived. Part of the reason he went to Buffalo.
Mario is still a relatively young, ten-year vet, but has some miles on him. I'd be wary of a long-term deal.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
He's bitched whenever a DC has tried to stand him up. Mud. Did the same in Houston years ago when Wade Phillips arrived. Part of the reason he went to Buffalo.
Mario is still a relatively young, ten-year vet, but has some miles on him. I'd be wary of a long-term deal.
He's bitched whenever a DC has tried to stand him up. Mud. Did the same in Houston years ago when Wade Phillips arrived. Part of the reason he went to Buffalo.
Mario is still a relatively young, ten-year vet, but has some miles on him. I'd be wary of a long-term deal.
Even more worrisome then.....
And those contact lenses he wears?.......pretty damn creepy.....
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And here's more on Williams, an article just posted to NFL.com.....hmmm.....was I too fast in saying sign him????
From the article.....
This week, we check in on Mario Williams in Buffalo, where a divorce is almost certainly inevitable. The Associated Press reported this week that the team plans on releasing the defensive end in an effort to save more than $12 million.
But it seems like there are reasons beyond finance, and one unnamed Bills player has the low down.
"It's been clear to me that Mario doesn't care about anybody but himself," the teammate said, via The Buffalo News. "He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn't care."
The person added that Williams has "totally checked out."
So.....WOW.....those are some strong words from a teammate.....(sounds like Dansby and Whitner sounded recently)....
Here's the link.....
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So he's not a "stand up" kind of guy? (rim shot)
If I ran a 4-3, I'd want Mario. Near DT weight with near OLB speed makes one helluva DE.
Also works as a 3-4 hybrid DE opposite Kruger... more or less as a super-Sheard. But as a Kruger replacement? No...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Of course he replaces Kruger, we can't keep Kruger on staff. Can't.
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we use him like Pettine used when he was tehre, as a true Jack that just dropped into zone. He played well in that scheme. But most of his snaps have to be with his hands down. Pettine just has to go back to what he ran in Buffalo. This experimenting he did this year "I HOPE" was because he was trying to find some use for our edges because they couldn't get the job done. This is why i want to retain Pettine, so he has time to get his players. Signing Mario would OBVIOUSLY be a step toward that. And if Mario gets 12+ sacks next year we know that Pettine's system can still get the job done.
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So he's not a "stand up" kind of guy? (rim shot)
If I ran a 4-3, I'd want Mario. Near DT weight with near OLB speed makes one helluva DE.
Also works as a 3-4 hybrid DE opposite Kruger... more or less as a super-Sheard. But as a Kruger replacement? No...
So he's not a "stand up" kind of guy? (rim shot)
If I ran a 4-3, I'd want Mario. Near DT weight with near OLB speed makes one helluva DE.
Also works as a 3-4 hybrid DE opposite Kruger... more or less as a super-Sheard. But as a Kruger replacement? No...
If Bosa isn't what the Browns are looking for, what would be the issue with having Mario play anywhere from the 5-7 with his hand in the ground?
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So let me get this straight people. A player is getting CUT because he sucked this past year and we are supposed to pick him up and all of a sudden he is a superstar? Sounds to me that he has reached the age of retirement 3 years before his contract ran out. This reeks of Bowe all over again.
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So let me get this straight people. A player is getting CUT because he sucked this past year and we are supposed to pick him up and all of a sudden he is a superstar? Sounds to me that he has reached the age of retirement 3 years before his contract ran out. This reeks of Bowe all over again.
So let me get this straight people. A player is getting CUT because he sucked this past year and we are supposed to pick him up and all of a sudden he is a superstar? Sounds to me that he has reached the age of retirement 3 years before his contract ran out. This reeks of Bowe all over again.
he's not getting cut because he sucks, he's getting cut cause he doesn't fit in Rex's defense and knows it and is vocal about it. "In this case", the player is absolutely correct. He's being horribly misutilized. If the rest of Buffalo's defense was picking up where they left off last year, ok i'd be suspect...but the whole defense has sucked. And let me remind everyone that talent wise that defense is off the charts. They are on another food chain compared to the Browns talent. Their issue was coaching, no more no less.
I know people will then ask, so why does Pettine get a pass and Rex doesn't? Well, this defense sucked last year too. We now know it's the talent. With Buffalo, they were a top 3 defense what, 2 years ago? If I remember correctly either last year or the year before....Mario and their DT, I can't remember his name right now but he's the best DT in the game...those two guys had more sacks between them than our entire defense at the time we played them which was like midway through the season or something.
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This defense is Rex Ryan's brain child.
How would Mario not be 'mis-used' here as much as he's been in Buffalo?
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This defense is Rex Ryan's brain child.
How would Mario not be 'mis-used' here as much as he's been in Buffalo?
This defense is Rex Ryan's brain child.
How would Mario not be 'mis-used' here as much as he's been in Buffalo?
I initially thought the same thing too until I read an article earlier in the season about how Rex changed things. I'm not exactly sure what or how he's changed, but it's not Pettine's defense. Williams is not being used the same as he was when Buffalo was there. Frankly the defense they ran against us when we played them in preseason, is what they should have stuck with. They'd be a top defense. Rex is just weird. He tinkered too much and paid for it. Maybe he's got feet on his brain too much these days, who knows.
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Mario in last years Pettine defense instead of Kruger, that would have worked. Until I see otherwise i'm convinced Pettine tried to tinker cause he was desperately trying to figure out how to get some of these bums to produce.
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If the exact same defense trots out next year, to more or less the same results....than yeah i'm done with Pettine.
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Another elite player we shouldn't sign because he's not a choir boy. When does it end?
Yeah, take him.
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This defense is Rex Ryan's brain child.
How would Mario not be 'mis-used' here as much as he's been in Buffalo?
This defense is Rex Ryan's brain child.
I initially thought the same thing too until I read an article earlier in the season about how Rex changed things. I'm not exactly sure what or how he's changed, but it's not Pettine's defense
Right.....everything Ive read and understood is that Pettine has his own Defense, which grew out of working in Rexy's system.....so, both have a multiple front basis, but are not the same systems as a whole......
Clearly, Pettine had MUCH more success in his year with the Buffalo D than Rexy did....
Here is an excellent article from when Pet was hired, spelling out how he used the talent in Buffalo and how his D would be applied to the personnel here......
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/2/20/5428416/mike-pettines-2013-buffalo-bills-defense
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