We have to draft Bosa
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Yes, I am good with McCown and Manziel. Why? Cause the passing game was by far one of the brighter spots of this season. Were they world beaters? No of course not. I can't believe you'd be good with another overreach on suspect talent just to "roll with it". How has that worked out in Cleveland the last umpteen times it's been tried? I can assure you that even if Manziel is gone next year, both McCown and Davis will start over any college kid coming out of the draft this year. You'd be ok with passing over Bosa, Smith or any of the other players that would produce immediately for us on defense.....for a project QB that won't start next year? May I ask your reasoning? Cause i'm just baffled given what we've seen on this defense this year.
This team needs LB's and DB's not DL. Manziel can not remain on this team, off field bullshit has to go. So yes get a new rookie QB in here and get his learning started. McCown is a turnover machine when under pressure and injury prone due to his aging.
This team needs LB's and DB's not DL. Manziel can not remain on this team, off field bullshit has to go. So yes get a new rookie QB in here and get his learning started. McCown is a turnover machine when under pressure and injury prone due to his aging.
Did you see Bosa playing DT today? There absolutely is a spot on this team for him. I'd move him from the 5 tech on 3-4 looks to DE when we show 4-3. But i wouldn't be upset if we took Jaylon Smith either given his injury today isn't that big of a deal, which it didn't look like but who knows. Point is we need defense to be priority in the draft "unless" we manage some crazy shit in trades or free agents. But tbh I'd take Elliot or even maybe Henry/Fournette over a QB if we drafted offense. Maybe even that tackle that everybody says TN is gonna take with the 1st pick. I mean with yet another season of watching QB's get killshots, would you put a rookie out there next year? I'm being completely serious when I say Andrew Luck would right now be looking like one of the biggest 1st round busts ever had Cleveland drafted him. No question in my mind he would not have developed as a QB if he had been drafted here.
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This team needs LB's and DB's not DL. Manziel can not remain on this team, off field bullshit has to go. So yes get a new rookie QB in here and get his learning started. McCown is a turnover machine when under pressure and injury prone due to his aging.
Did you see Bosa playing DT today? There absolutely is a spot on this team for him. I'd move him from the 5 tech on 3-4 looks to DE when we show 4-3. But i wouldn't be upset if we took Jaylon Smith either given his injury today isn't that big of a deal, which it didn't look like but who knows. Point is we need defense to be priority in the draft "unless" we manage some crazy shit in trades or free agents. But tbh I'd take Elliot or even maybe Henry/Fournette over a QB if we drafted offense. Maybe even that tackle that everybody says TN is gonna take with the 1st pick. I mean with yet another season of watching QB's get killshots, would you put a rookie out there next year? I'm being completely serious when I say Andrew Luck would right now be looking like one of the biggest 1st round busts ever had Cleveland drafted him. No question in my mind he would not have developed as a QB if he had been drafted here.
Did you see Bosa playing DT today? There absolutely is a spot on this team for him. I'd move him from the 5 tech on 3-4 looks to DE when we show 4-3. But i wouldn't be upset if we took Jaylon Smith either given his injury today isn't that big of a deal, which it didn't look like but who knows. Point is we need defense to be priority in the draft "unless" we manage some crazy shit in trades or free agents. But tbh I'd take Elliot or even maybe Henry/Fournette over a QB if we drafted offense. Maybe even that tackle that everybody says TN is gonna take with the 1st pick. I mean with yet another season of watching QB's get killshots, would you put a rookie out there next year? I'm being completely serious when I say Andrew Luck would right now be looking like one of the biggest 1st round busts ever had Cleveland drafted him. No question in my mind he would not have developed as a QB if he had been drafted here.
1st bold - Fuck Henry.
2nd bold - Andrew Luck's play has been pretty damn awesome behind what has been called one of the, if not 'the' worst Oline in the NFL. I've no doubt behind some of our blockers he'd be every bit as good if not better in Cleveland. That is pure pessimism on your part.
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Did you see Bosa playing DT today? There absolutely is a spot on this team for him. I'd move him from the 5 tech on 3-4 looks to DE when we show 4-3. But i wouldn't be upset if we took Jaylon Smith either given his injury today isn't that big of a deal, which it didn't look like but who knows. Point is we need defense to be priority in the draft "unless" we manage some crazy shit in trades or free agents. But tbh I'd take Elliot or even maybe Henry/Fournette over a QB if we drafted offense. Maybe even that tackle that everybody says TN is gonna take with the 1st pick. I mean with yet another season of watching QB's get killshots, would you put a rookie out there next year? I'm being completely serious when I say Andrew Luck would right now be looking like one of the biggest 1st round busts ever had Cleveland drafted him. No question in my mind he would not have developed as a QB if he had been drafted here.
1st bold - Fuck Henry.
2nd bold - Andrew Luck's play has been pretty damn awesome behind what has been called one of the, if not 'the' worst Oline in the NFL. I've no doubt behind some of our blockers he'd be every bit as good if not better in Cleveland. That is pure pessimism on your part.
1st bold - Fuck Henry.
2nd bold - Andrew Luck's play has been pretty damn awesome behind what has been called one of the, if not 'the' worst Oline in the NFL. I've no doubt behind some of our blockers he'd be every bit as good if not better in Cleveland. That is pure pessimism on your part.
I dunno by what metrics they call the Indy O line "the" worst in the NFL....cause i've watched some Indy games and frankly the only O line I've seen all year that competes with our O line for worst, imo, is the Green Bay O line. I think if you look at O line protection for the last couple years since Luck has been drafted, they've been way way better than Cleveland. Maybe it is pessimism on my part, but i'd like to see how many times the Indy o line has cut loose the opposing defense's primary pass rusher in almost "fuck you bro (QB)" kind of way. I mean i've seen Aaron Rodgers get dumped alot this year but I can't remember a front line pass rusher getting handed an EZ pass on his way to Rodgers. The GB O line has certainly been beaten but they at least impeded the pass rushers momentum. When you get dumped 20 times in one game that might be small comfort to Rodgers, but i cant' help but think they're O line is still in some small way better than ours because at least in the games Iv'e watched they aren't completely whiffing protection on a 4 man rush like i've seen i don't know how many times this season from our O line.
If Scwartz does it again Sunday he needs tossed in the big lake Cleveland sits on.
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Gee whiz you hate Gary Barnidge too?
Are there really no shades of gray in your life? I like Barn. Great year... great story... but great player?
C'mon, man... if you believe that, then I bet you dream at night of DA throwing to him and Braylon with Hillis hurdling DBs left and right.
My question to you would be - if that is in fact your assessment, why would Joey only bother with his one particular game?
Just my impression...
Basis starts a while ago with whomever (I believe it has been CleveFan) arguing that it has been OK for Bosa to take plays and even games off to preserve himself for his NFL payday when the games promised to be one-sided this season. One-sided or not they all counted towards pursuit of a National Championship.
Today's game was meaningless.
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Only meaningless to him.
I'm sure most of the seniors wanted to get 50 wins in 4 years
Also how did Clowney taking off a year work out for him?
Yes, he got to be the 1st pick, but he sucks
If that's what Bosa wants, then screw him, and don't draft him
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1st bold - Fuck Henry.
2nd bold - Andrew Luck's play has been pretty damn awesome behind what has been called one of the, if not 'the' worst Oline in the NFL. I've no doubt behind some of our blockers he'd be every bit as good if not better in Cleveland. That is pure pessimism on your part.
I dunno by what metrics they call the Indy O line "the" worst in the NFL....cause i've watched some Indy games and frankly the only O line I've seen all year that competes with our O line for worst, imo, is the Green Bay O line. I think if you look at O line protection for the last couple years since Luck has been drafted, they've been way way better than Cleveland. Maybe it is pessimism on my part, but i'd like to see how many times the Indy o line has cut loose the opposing defense's primary pass rusher in almost "fuck you bro (QB)" kind of way. I mean i've seen Aaron Rodgers get dumped alot this year but I can't remember a front line pass rusher getting handed an EZ pass on his way to Rodgers. The GB O line has certainly been beaten but they at least impeded the pass rushers momentum. When you get dumped 20 times in one game that might be small comfort to Rodgers, but i cant' help but think they're O line is still in some small way better than ours because at least in the games Iv'e watched they aren't completely whiffing protection on a 4 man rush like i've seen i don't know how many times this season from our O line.
If Scwartz does it again Sunday he needs tossed in the big lake Cleveland sits on.
I dunno by what metrics they call the Indy O line "the" worst in the NFL....cause i've watched some Indy games and frankly the only O line I've seen all year that competes with our O line for worst, imo, is the Green Bay O line. I think if you look at O line protection for the last couple years since Luck has been drafted, they've been way way better than Cleveland. Maybe it is pessimism on my part, but i'd like to see how many times the Indy o line has cut loose the opposing defense's primary pass rusher in almost "fuck you bro (QB)" kind of way. I mean i've seen Aaron Rodgers get dumped alot this year but I can't remember a front line pass rusher getting handed an EZ pass on his way to Rodgers. The GB O line has certainly been beaten but they at least impeded the pass rushers momentum. When you get dumped 20 times in one game that might be small comfort to Rodgers, but i cant' help but think they're O line is still in some small way better than ours because at least in the games Iv'e watched they aren't completely whiffing protection on a 4 man rush like i've seen i don't know how many times this season from our O line.
If Scwartz does it again Sunday he needs tossed in the big lake Cleveland sits on.
That's because you're clearly fucking high. Their Oline for the past several years with Luck has nearly gotten him murdered.
As for 'cutting loose' any pass rusher. That depends on what the protection call was and the communication between Oline and QB.
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Does anyone know why Bosa was suspended for week 1?
Was it weed?
Was it roids?
Was It beating his women?
Was it partying with Johnny?
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Bosa than QB Hogan at Stanford, no way this kid is 3rd rounder nor 9th rated QB in 2016 draft.
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a DE? really?
are we sure our DC would know what to do with one? seems like we parted ways this year with one i actually had high hopes for in sheard who has just lit up the league in NE.
so another traditional DE when the browns don't know what to do with one..............
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Gee whiz you hate Gary Barnidge too?
Are there really no shades of gray in your life? I like Barn. Great year... great story... but great player?
C'mon, man... if you believe that, then I bet you dream at night of DA throwing to him and Braylon with Hillis hurdling DBs left and right.
My question to you would be - if that is in fact your assessment, why would Joey only bother with his one particular game?
Just my impression...
Basis starts a while ago with whomever (I believe it has been CleveFan) arguing that it has been OK for Bosa to take plays and even games off to preserve himself for his NFL payday when the games promised to be one-sided this season. One-sided or not they all counted towards pursuit of a National Championship.
Today's game was meaningless.
Is there really no sense of humor in yours? Christ but I even typed in aAre there really no shades of gray in your life? I like Barn. Great year... great story... but great player?
C'mon, man... if you believe that, then I bet you dream at night of DA throwing to him and Braylon with Hillis hurdling DBs left and right.
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But since you asked so what if we had kept DA the entire time?
What has the constant catch and release policy won for us?
WSS
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Does anyone know why Bosa was suspended for week 1?
Was it weed?
Was it roids?
Was It beating his women?
Was it partying with Johnny?
Does anyone know why Bosa was suspended for week 1?
Was it weed?
Was it roids?
Was It beating his women?
Was it partying with Johnny?
Heard Mike Pettine was now an advisor for the Buckeyes and rumor has it that Bosa didn't make his bed.
WSS
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Does anyone know why Bosa was suspended for week 1?
Was it weed?
Was it roids?
Was It beating his women?
Was it partying with Johnny?
Heard Mike Pettine was now an advisor for the Buckeyes and rumor has it that Bosa didn't make his bed.
WSS
Heard Mike Pettine was now an advisor for the Buckeyes and rumor has it that Bosa didn't make his bed.
WSS
LMAO!! Thanks Steve.
Mike
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Did you see Bosa playing DT today? There absolutely is a spot on this team for him. I'd move him from the 5 tech on 3-4 looks to DE when we show 4-3. But i wouldn't be upset if we took Jaylon Smith either given his injury today isn't that big of a deal, which it didn't look like but who knows. Point is we need defense to be priority in the draft "unless" we manage some crazy shit in trades or free agents. But tbh I'd take Elliot or even maybe Henry/Fournette over a QB if we drafted offense. Maybe even that tackle that everybody says TN is gonna take with the 1st pick. I mean with yet another season of watching QB's get killshots, would you put a rookie out there next year? I'm being completely serious when I say Andrew Luck would right now be looking like one of the biggest 1st round busts ever had Cleveland drafted him. No question in my mind he would not have developed as a QB if he had been drafted here.
1st bold - Fuck Henry.
2nd bold - Andrew Luck's play has been pretty damn awesome behind what has been called one of the, if not 'the' worst Oline in the NFL. I've no doubt behind some of our blockers he'd be every bit as good if not better in Cleveland. That is pure pessimism on your part.
1st bold - Fuck Henry.
2nd bold - Andrew Luck's play has been pretty damn awesome behind what has been called one of the, if not 'the' worst Oline in the NFL. I've no doubt behind some of our blockers he'd be every bit as good if not better in Cleveland. That is pure pessimism on your part.
Agreed.
Didn't Luck have the Colts in the AFC Championship in 2014? And just out of curiosity, how many TD passes did he throw during that regular season? The civil war (via ESPN radio) that I heard was brewing in Indy was Pagano wanted his FO to draft better protection for their franchise QB. The selection of Phillip Dorsett pretty much gave that 2 middle fingers and the inevitable outcome of no healthy veteran QBs to finish the year with. When you have JJ Watt in your division scheduled twice a year - it looks to me like the FO didn't know how to protect their biggest investment nearly as much as Pagano. Wasn't that the same FO that traded away a first round pick for Trent Richardson? Pagano is prolly going to end up a lot happier than Irsay if he gets his walking papers.
And what OSU fan that saw all of Ohio State's games dating back to their victory over Alabama wants Henry over Zeke if we were going to draft a RB?
If we had a FO that could actually get round 1 right - there's plenty of ideal players to choose from that can bring us sudden impact. Farmer has got to go. As I said I'd be okay with keeping Pettine especially if we could replace Jimmy O'Neil with Chuck Pagano. I'd also be more than okay with replacing Chris Tabor with somebody willing to change trends like blocked kicks 4 games in a row; and yellow flags in our return game pinning us deep. We could have prolly found a better cheerleader at some hottie infested sorority party or even the rugby chick they have guarding the door if we wanted some degree of testosterone. Whatever! The NFL channel is making it sound like Pettine will be gone real soon.
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Pretty disappointing to see Jaylon Smith go down with a knee injury......
He was one of the few viable OLB's available this year.....dagnabbit!
More reason than ever to break out the check book and bring in a difference maker(or TWO) via free agency....
Id start by going hard after guys like.....Von Miller.....Tamba Hali.....Mario Williams........
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We're not smart enough to draft Khalil Mack but NOW we gotta have Bosa?
Could there have been more of an oxy-moronic ending for Bosa's college career than yesterday's Bowl Game? He got kicked out of the game for using his head physically because he wasn't capable of using his head mentally. Believe it or not, every player wears shoulder pads which can come in handy if one would like to make a text book tackle at the expense of getting disqualified and a penalty flag that reverses an interception.
Not for nothing, but Bosa had countless chances to change my mind about how gotta-have he is in the second half of that Michigan State game when he disappeared against their point of attack without any double teams. The difference between him and Reggie White looks like one guys needs excuses and alibis while the other guy never stopped sic em, sock em and sack em.
What first round defensive lineman/edge rusher changed our fate for the better since we got our team back?
Courtney Brown? We didn't get a Pro Bowl pass rush and upgrade until Brown got injured so Jamir Miller could bring it.
Gerrard Warren? No inner chest.
Phil Taylor? What came first the chicken or the egg in terms of why he never showed up to camp in shape perpetuating more disability.
Kam Wimbley? Not a bad rookie year; but was he ever the type of pedigree an alternative like Haloti Ngata offered somebody's front 7 vrs the point of attack?
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Just means we can get him cheaper!
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Mario Williams simply will not play an OLB role. He's almost expressly stated that.
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Pretty disappointing to see Jaylon Smith go down with a knee injury......
He was one of the few viable OLB's available this year.....dagnabbit!
More reason than ever to break out the check book and bring in a difference maker(or TWO) via free agency....
Id start by going hard after guys like.....Von Miller.....Tamba Hali.....Mario Williams........
Pretty disappointing to see Jaylon Smith go down with a knee injury......
He was one of the few viable OLB's available this year.....dagnabbit!
More reason than ever to break out the check book and bring in a difference maker(or TWO) via free agency....
Id start by going hard after guys like.....Von Miller.....Tamba Hali.....Mario Williams........
Would be a better fit as a ILB in a 3-4, no? You never wish an injury on any players but if he declares he's likely to fall a bit on draft boards, which is never a bad thing...
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Pretty disappointing to see Jaylon Smith go down with a knee injury......
He was one of the few viable OLB's available this year.....dagnabbit!
More reason than ever to break out the check book and bring in a difference maker(or TWO) via free agency....
Id start by going hard after guys like.....Von Miller.....Tamba Hali.....Mario Williams........
Would be a better fit as a ILB in a 3-4, no? You never wish an injury on any players but if he declares he's likely to fall a bit on draft boards, which is never a bad thing...
Would be a better fit as a ILB in a 3-4, no? You never wish an injury on any players but if he declares he's likely to fall a bit on draft boards, which is never a bad thing...
Right....there is talk he can play just about anywhere....and Pettine loves(and desparately needs) some versatile players at linebacker, who can move around....line up in a variety of sets....cover, rush, play the run, etc.....
IE....A true 3 down linebacker.....And Smith was one of the few I thought could fit that bill.....
Really feel bad for him and how that knee went in his last game....that is some tough luck there....
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