Jonathan Paul Manziel
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My literal first comment in this thread started with "I don't think he's the guy", if you're talking to me I don't understand how people can't read on this forum a lot. The second someone plays devils advocate to Manziel it's a bunch of dudes wailing on the "must be a Johnny lover!" train without even reading with context
Because there is no devils advocate in this case. There is comparison to high level, tenured players who like to have fun and keep it away from their careers. Then there are young guys whom continue to make bad choices.
Because there is no devils advocate in this case. There is comparison to high level, tenured players who like to have fun and keep it away from their careers. Then there are young guys whom continue to make bad choices.
Ah, the classic "I'm right you're wrong nananana boo argument" I just heard from my 7 year old cousin playing UNO. I'm glad that's what a grown man uses as that an excuse, and I guess these folks who get paid to evaluate football who seem to believe progress has been made are just crazy fools who aren't entitled to express a counterargument
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/johnny-football-making-progress
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That's the rub, you can't compare an NFL player who's getting paid millions to what you do. I highly doubt what you do for a living requires you to compete physically against elite athletes weekly. Also the better half of the games are on Sunday most people have a big issue with a player getting sloppy drunk a day or two before they have to play.
BUT, if the dude does that and still plays at a high level, does it create a fundamental problem that he's a "bad boy" in his free time? Again, just take Manziel out of the equation and literally talk about any NFL football player. There's plenty of stories you hear about regarding dudes who do some wild things but perform on Sunday. My simple thought is if a guy can show up and play ball on sunday as long as he's not breaking the law I could care the fuck less.
BUT, if the dude does that and still plays at a high level, does it create a fundamental problem that he's a "bad boy" in his free time? Again, just take Manziel out of the equation and literally talk about any NFL football player. There's plenty of stories you hear about regarding dudes who do some wild things but perform on Sunday. My simple thought is if a guy can show up and play ball on sunday as long as he's not breaking the law I could care the fuck less.
I did take JM out of it as a matter of fact I didn't mention his name until now. I agree that some players do some crazy stuff before games. However almost all those players are vets that have proven they can play at an elite level for YEARS. JM hasn't proven he's the best QB on the team. Many players who haven't proven themselves get released when they do something stupid that makes the news.
Never before have I witnessed a player outright lie as much JM has to his coaches/players/fans that has shown so little on the field. It's mind boggling he still has droves of fans that think one good pass or drive means he should be compared to Brady or Manning. The more psycho JM fans think he should be treated like a HOF player and be given the same amount of leeway both on and off the field. Sorry but that's a sliding scale the better you are the more crap you can get away with.
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I'm not saying anyone is 'right and wrong. Now attempting to put spin on how Johnny has behaved is what is wrong. Otherwise there would have been no rehab, no apology to his team mates and coaches.
I won't deny and say that there as been some progress. There has, but not much. When Johnny gets put in the fire his mechanics and footwork regress and he goes back to questionable decision making.
The hallmark of any great QB is consistency. Johnny does not have it, hasn't had it, and quite possibly never will.
I also love for your argument you link one fucking game and ignore the others he's clearly struggled in against teams that decided to not sit back on their heels and make him actually, you know - be a QB.
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I prefer playing angels' advocate... and being labelled (libeled?) a "hater"...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Cut him.
Travesty if you don't.
He is poison and doesn't belong in the NFL where real men make their living.
I dont care if we can get a 5th rounder for him, cut him to make a statement.
He's a pussy, a coward, and a self-indulged asshole.
Cut him tonight.
Z
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British actor Johnny Vegas....more O Line than QB tho
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I don't like Pettine but there isn't a viable replacement. Fire Farmer (Obviously)
Make Haslam sign a contract that he won't intervene.
That's the best I can come up with.
Anyone else got a better idea?
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Cut him.
Travesty if you don't.
He is poison and doesn't belong in the NFL where real men make their living.
I dont care if we can get a 5th rounder for him, cut him to make a statement.
He's a pussy, a coward, and a self-indulged asshole.
Cut him tonight.
Z
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I said I would share a story about Johnny when he was no longer a Brown. It's pretty apparent he has played his last game for us, so here it is as I described to another member of the board.
This was the weekend of the Monday Night game with Baltimore after he got stripped of the starting job, and occurred on Sat night:
I came back from the Cavs Game Saturday night to my hotel, the Westin in downtown Cleveland. We hit a bar for a late-night snack after the game, so it must have been around 1 AM at least. I got in the elevator and realized I lost my key .... I went down to the lobby to get a key. There was a guy checking in with a blonde chick. Obviously drunk off his ass. He was so drunk that it was weird. He seemed young, with a ballcap on, but the rest of his clothes seemed very trendy ... not like a Cleveland local. I stood there forever. He turned around, and it was Johnny. There was no doubt. He was so fucked up that it was actually sad. He was wearing the same orange hat with the T that he wore to the food bank thing earlier in the week. There was no doubt it was him, and his girl. After he left, I said to the front desk guy ... "Is that who I think it is??" And he said "ya, he comes here all time" ... kinda rolling his eyes, yet enjoying the spectacle of it.. It was Him and he was HAMMERED. After he went up the elevator everyone in that part of the lobby, mostly some teenage kids, were talking about what they just saw. It was sad. It was not good.
He was bigger than I thought. I am 5'11, 205 and he was at least my size, which makes sense, I just always think of him as small. His eyes were gone. You could tell he was trying very hard to have a quiet convo with the front desk guy but he was struggling with the words. His pretty girlfriend just stood by with an embarrassed look on her face. It was the opposite of the police story this time, she seemed OK, he seemed drunk off his ass.
The next day, I realized the Browns were staying at my hotel. I saw Danny Shelton and Brian Hartline, they had increased security in the lobby and the were directing the Browns players into one elevator and the rest of us into other ones. I walked around down at the gym level and it had the Browns schedule for the players on the wall. They were all supposed to be checked in by 6 PM Sunday at the hotel, I am guessing Johnny was partying downtown Saturday Night, and decided to go get his room a night early, and judging by the front desk clerk, this is his usual MO. I think they only do a walkthrough the day before the game, so Friday would be his night out, but since we were playing Monday, then Saturday was his last night.
Anyway, I don't want anymore damning info on the kid out on the internet, but I am surprised there isn't more of it. If I saw it, and so did the clerk and the kids by the elevator, you can just imagine how many people see it and don't report it or take pictures, which is good.
This is, of course, a few days after he got demoted for the lying thing, and here was shitfaced out in public.
I hope for the best for him, and it may not affect his playing ability on Sundays at this point in his life, but it will catch up with him if he doesn't curb his appetite a bit. I can see why Pett has him on a short leash, if I saw this, just picking up a key, there must be tons of reports of drunk Johnny out there.
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Zombo said:
I said I would share a story about Johnny when he was no longer a Brown. It's pretty apparent he has played his last game for us, so here it is as I described to another member of the board.
This was the weekend of the Monday Night game with Baltimore after he got stripped of the starting job, and occurred on Sat night:
Anyway, I don't want anymore damning info on the kid out on the internet, but I am surprised there isn't more of it. If I saw it, and so did the clerk and the kids by the elevator, you can just imagine how many people see it and don't report it or take pictures, which is good.
This is, of course, a few days after he got demoted for the lying thing, and here was shitfaced out in public.
I hope for the best for him, and it may not affect his playing ability on Sundays at this point in his life, but it will catch up with him if he doesn't curb his appetite a bit. I can see why Pett has him on a short leash, if I saw this, just picking up a key, there must be tons of reports of drunk Johnny out there.
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Why the Vegas reports hold credence Z, and I'm not surprised.
More like he came in riding an inflatable swan.
Nailed it.
Zombo- thanks for sharing it with me earlier. I did not let it affect my posts, but after the two selfie videos I gave up on him too. No one is more disappointed than me, because I had felt he has the talent all along. What a waste! And for the record if Haslem cleans house he is just as foolish as the QB he wanted so badly.
Ag, I think you & me had Johnny pegged at the rehab thing.
Are you trying to tell me he's worse than the slobs they've thrown out at qb this year. Are you even a football fan? This Kid can't catch a break and the fans and the media are half the problem. Let him play who cares if he's a drinker. Johnny a winner something we've never had.
Clueless. There are things like functional alcoholics, but they're about unheard of in today's NFL. You can't possibly be 100% gameday if you're getting to the mumbling point at bars on a regular basis. Manziel has a serious drinking problem, that's a damn indisputable fact at this point. I don't need Z's or for that matter Pettine's politically correct "the problems are worse than we thought" comments to know it. FWIW- I've known Zombo for years- and I'll damn guarantee you if he said he saw it- it happened. Manziel's only hope is an extended stay in rehab this off season, I have my doubts it will help. He can always call up Justin Blackmon if he needs an ex-NFL drinking buddy to commiserate with on how it all went wrong.
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We owe Brian Hoyer and Josh McCown an apology for having to deal with this douche.
The guy in the playoffs and the guy engaged in every snap we took this year.
Text Farmer that he's fired, cut Manziel before he leaves Nevada. And apologize to Pettine when you hand him his pink slip for making him deal with both of those assclowns.
Z
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Zombo said:
I said I would share a story about Johnny when he was no longer a Brown. It's pretty apparent he has played his last game for us, so here it is as I described to another member of the board.
This was the weekend of the Monday Night game with Baltimore after he got stripped of the starting job, and occurred on Sat night:
Anyway, I don't want anymore damning info on the kid out on the internet, but I am surprised there isn't more of it. If I saw it, and so did the clerk and the kids by the elevator, you can just imagine how many people see it and don't report it or take pictures, which is good.
This is, of course, a few days after he got demoted for the lying thing, and here was shitfaced out in public.
I hope for the best for him, and it may not affect his playing ability on Sundays at this point in his life, but it will catch up with him if he doesn't curb his appetite a bit. I can see why Pett has him on a short leash, if I saw this, just picking up a key, there must be tons of reports of drunk Johnny out there.
Z
Why the Vegas reports hold credence Z, and I'm not surprised.
More like he came in riding an inflatable swan.
Nailed it.
Zombo- thanks for sharing it with me earlier. I did not let it affect my posts, but after the two selfie videos I gave up on him too. No one is more disappointed than me, because I had felt he has the talent all along. What a waste! And for the record if Haslem cleans house he is just as foolish as the QB he wanted so badly.
Ag, I think you & me had Johnny pegged at the rehab thing.
Are you trying to tell me he's worse than the slobs they've thrown out at qb this year. Are you even a football fan? This Kid can't catch a break and the fans and the media are half the problem. Let him play who cares if he's a drinker. Johnny a winner something we've never had.
Clueless. There are things like functional alcoholics, but they're about unheard of in today's NFL. You can't possibly be 100% gameday if you're getting to the mumbling point at bars on a regular basis. Manziel has a serious drinking problem, that's a damn indisputable fact at this point. I don't need Z's or for that matter Pettine's politically correct "the problems are worse than we thought" comments to know it. FWIW- I've known Zombo for years- and I'll damn guarantee you if he said he saw it- it happened. Manziel's only hope is an extended stay in rehab this off season, I have my doubts it will help. He can always call up Justin Blackmon if he needs an ex-NFL drinking buddy to commiserate with on how it all went wrong.
Manziel's only hope is an extended stay in rehab this off season, I have my doubts it will help. He can always call up Justin Blackmon if he needs an ex-NFL drinking buddy to commiserate with on how it all went wrong.
Which means another wasted offseason in which he doesn't get any better or work on his atrocious footwork.
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Joe Thomas on Manziel reports: "If that report is true, obviously some things are more important to him than football, that's a problem"
Joe Thomas on Manziel reports: "If that report is true, obviously some things are more important to him than football, that's a problem"
But Zombo is a "hater".
Sorry, but I call them like I see them, and I saw this one early.
Draft that Goff kid, or whoever the best prospect is and never look back.
Cut Johnny tonight.
Z
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Forget Manziel, let's get the inner chest of Connor Shaw back here with experience behind him. This Austin Davis processes way too slow to remind us why he didn't have a job when something was allegedly way too good to be true. 30 other teams would have accepted the gift Pittsburgh gave us all day long - we were the 1 team that couldn't.
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How about some pics or proof? Any scoombala can post on the Internet that they saw johnny somewhere drunk. Your posting unsubstantiated rumors on the inter for the world to see. RuinING this kids life. It's clear that this is the most popular board for the most popular team and the whole world reads this. My god repeat lost. What if he was your kid.
How about some pics or proof? Any scoombala can post on the Internet that they saw johnny somewhere drunk. Your posting unsubstantiated rumors on the inter for the world to see. RuinING this kids life. It's clear that this is the most popular board for the most popular team and the whole world reads this. My god repeat lost. What if he was your kid.
Sorry I didnt whip out my camera for some douchebag still named after Massaquoi.
I've been here for 15 years or more, I have met half of these guys in person and I respected his privacy until I knew he played his last game as a Brown.
If he was my kid? I would love him and help him and tell him to step away from the NFL until he was healthy because he is costing some good hard-working men their jobs.
Z
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His own dad called him out publicly for being drunk and immature.
He's in his 20s. He's not a child, he makes his own decisions. He's getting paid to play a kids game and can't keep his shit together.
Fuck him and fuck you.
I don't think he's the guy as of today, but what do you define as "having your shit together"? The guy gets drunk on the weekend but so do I and I'm sure a lot of people here. If he shows up and does his job honestly who gives a shit? This isn't a Manziel thing, I'd say that for every other player, coach and staff on the Browns for that matter. The NFL isn't a dang sunday school where appearance matters. It's all about winning and as long as Johnny (or again, any other player) can show up and play well does it matter?
That's all I've said about this Johnny "drama" but apparently that's some crazy thought to so many people here. Meanwhile we play like garbage on the field like that that's second fiddle to what a dude does off the field.
I don't think he's the guy as of today, but what do you define as "having your shit together"? The guy gets drunk on the weekend but so do I and I'm sure a lot of people here. If he shows up and does his job honestly who gives a shit? This isn't a Manziel thing, I'd say that for every other player, coach and staff on the Browns for that matter. The NFL isn't a dang sunday school where appearance matters. It's all about winning and as long as Johnny (or again, any other player) can show up and play well does it matter?
That's all I've said about this Johnny "drama" but apparently that's some crazy thought to so many people here. Meanwhile we play like garbage on the field like that that's second fiddle to what a dude does off the field.
He admittedly wasted his rookie season. He lied to his employer.
He was in rehab and I still drinking like a fool.
That's what is define as not having your shit together.
While there's no fault in getting drunk and still performing your job but the fact is he isn't performing
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Joe Thomas on Manziel reports: "If that report is true, obviously some things are more important to him than football, that's a problem"
But Zombo is a "hater".
Sorry, but I call them like I see them, and I saw this one early.
Draft that Goff kid, or whoever the best prospect is and never look back.
Cut Johnny tonight.
Z
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The tweet I posted is from a "reputable source".
Either way, does Johnny deserve the benefit of the doubt here?
We'll just have to wait and see what turns up tomorrow
The tweet I posted is from a "reputable source".
Either way, does Johnny deserve the benefit of the doubt here?
We'll just have to wait and see what turns up tomorrow
Wow, Woody???????
I've read you on the Politics Board for quite a while and cant believe you can say/ask your rhetorical question..
"Either way, does Johnny deserve the benefit of the doubt here?"
Truth doesn't matter to you any more (or any less)?
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I can't wait for Manziel to be gone so we don't have to thumb through these remarkably similar conversations every single god damn week.
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