A true start over, it's what we need.

Browns149

Joe Haden is NOT very talented. He's average at best

Clevfan4life

@tiamat63 said:

Sweet, lets get rid of a very talented CB, a great centerfield player, a receiver that could be dominant but is still extremely cheap to hold on to despite his problems.

Great plan.

every single one of those guys could have been off the team this year and there would not have been a lick of difference in the outcome. Especially Whitner, Dansby, Gordon...what possible problem could you have with replacing those guys? Whtner and Dansby were touted as top 3-5 players at their position. These were supposedly FA "coups" for the Browns.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@tiamat63 said:

Sweet, lets get rid of a very talented CB, a great centerfield player, a receiver that could be dominant but is still extremely cheap to hold on to despite his problems.

Great plan.

Eh, I could give or take Haden at this point. I respect his talent and how much he's given for this franchise but I wouldn't mind getting marginally worse at one position if we could recoup two second/third round draft choices, plus sign two decent FA's with the cap we'd be saving. Corners are overvalued on the market, we'd get a pretty good return on him.

He's a good guy and a good player, but he's not transcendent talent - and for that reason, he could be had if the price was right.

It wouldn't make sense to trade Gordon, he possesses elite level talent with a tiny contract. The most impactful return we'd get is from him playing, not as a trade piece.

The rest of 'em...eh. I'd say trade Thomas if he actually wants out, he deserves a shot at a ring. Lord knows the Packers need tackles and he's a Wisconsin boy. But if he wants to stay, you keep him. Gipson, I'd love to keep, but that's a wild card. He's a great player if he's not asked to do everything, but it's not helpful if the rest of the defense sucks ass. A ball hawk free safety, in my opinion, should be the pièce de résistance.

SPEK216

@tiamat63 said:

Sweet, lets get rid of a very talented CB, a great centerfield player, a receiver that could be dominant but is still extremely cheap to hold on to despite his problems.

Great plan.

It doesn't matter how talented they are, the vets on this team are content with losing. Thomas, Haden etc have played they're whole careers in a losing culture. What do you think they're teaching our young draft picks. Gut it all and start fresh

tiamat63

@clevfan4life said:

every single one of those guys could have been off the team this year and there would not have been a lick of difference in the outcome. Especially Whitner, Dansby, Gordon...what possible problem could you have with replacing those guys? Whtner and Dansby were touted as top 3-5 players at their position. These were supposedly FA "coups" for the Browns.

You'll notice I didn't mention Donte or Dansby, I'm sure.

miktoxic

want a bunch of dimwits on this board. gut it all, trade them all.

you know that is impossible right? and who will be the marquee player the 'new' browns will be built around?

yeah, i thought so.........

Browns149

@miktoxic said:

want a bunch of dimwits on this board. gut it all, trade them all.

you know that is impossible right? and who will be the marquee player the 'new' browns will be built around?

yeah, i thought so.........

Johnny

Represent

Joe Hadens value will never be higher and i believe he could be replaced, YES i understand he's a top 5-10 cb but age and the state of our team imo dictates this move is HIGHLY the correct way to proceed.

Joe Thomas is a god nothing against him trade him to a contender try to attain value in picks for him as he is definitely elite.

Josh Gordan while his value could be viewed as low the reality is this guy showed he could be the number 1 in the entire NFL and i understand the WANT to keep him to see what happens but a few phone calls to see what kinda offers would be on the table would be worth listening because Gordan is a volatile commode he could be banned from the NFL in his next offense and i do not trust him period.

Gip Hitwit and Dansby are still considered higher talent gut them replace through the draft and plug holes for the new coaches schemes.

We could get 7-12 picks n cap relief and i hate saying it but it's the right way to go.

tiamat63

So I presume that means you feel we should take a young QB high in the draft?

Opal312

It turns out that AJ McCarren is better than our first round picks. It proves you don't have to take a QB in the first round. Unless of course he's Andrew Luck or Even Blake Bortles who had 35 TDS this year. I know nothing about Goff but I have watched Lynch! Lynch is not a first rounder. But anything I say or you say makes no difference!

We can hope for trades and Joey Bosa but it's Haslam's team and he's calling the shots. I wish I drank; I could use a shot.

jcam222

@browns149 said:
Johnny

Take Johnny, turn him sideways, lube if you like and insert him in your ass

Tour2ma

Is it possible to amass 53 picks in one draft?

Represent

@tour2ma said:
Is it possible to amass 53 picks in one draft?

No

But we could end up with two first rounders and a few 2-5 round picks in different drafts to go with the ones we already own.

Jimmy Haslem himself said and i quote " This is not a one year fix i could see this process taking SEVERAL years to get going in the right direction and if we feel we are doing that we'll stay the course"

I love our players guys i really do i root for them , i wear their jerseys, i talk them up to any NFL fan because some of them are pro bowl talent, but i DO understand the need to move a team forward and trading pieces away for future assets to become a better team over the next few years has to be accepted by the fan base as business decisions, and as a business decision it's in the Cleveland Browns best interest to trade this talent away and bring in a new product for us because 3-13 4-12 5-11 every single year is not acceptable anymore.

miktoxic

uh, no shit. but maybe giving someone YOU hired the tenure in their contract to see if things could turn around maybe, after years and years and fucking more years of hiring and firing which hasn't worked, might be the way to go....?

when in the history of the NFL does one single head coach try and get an unwilling GM to draft his players, hire his guys on staff and see it all come to fruition in 2 years when you are dealt the perennial loser card like pettine was? please someone, anyone show me this stat or acknowledgement. this lack lustered talented squad, with such awful draft picks and you don't get at least your 3 years?

i'd love to see the illusionist that could pull that off, but unfortunately it's all smoke and mirrors.

now start the dark side of the moon, take the little purple pill and the flying monkeys will take you and your fucking fantasies to the poppy fields.

what a maroon.

you see what fools like you don't understand is it's all about the cycles of TIME with good teams. they let the soup come to a slow boil. they let it simmer for hours, not microwave it. it's about the vets, acquiring them at the right time while so they can help the rookies trying to learn and adding the perfect pieces to the puzzle so that they all start revving at the same time.

now do that in 2 years and you will be hailed amongst all the gods on high.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@miktoxic said:

uh, no shit. but maybe giving someone YOU hired the tenure in their contract to see if things could turn around maybe, after years and years and fucking more years of hiring and firing which hasn't worked, might be the way to go....?

when in the history of the NFL does one single head coach try and get an unwilling GM to draft his players, hire his guys on staff and see it all come to fruition in 2 years when you are dealt the perennial loser card like pettine was? please someone, anyone show me this stat or acknowledgement. this lack lustered talented squad, with such awful draft picks and you don't get at least your 3 years?

i'd love to see the illusionist that could pull that off, but unfortunately it's all smoke and mirrors.

now start the dark side of the moon, take the little purple pill and the flying monkeys will take you and your fucking fantasies to the poppy fields.

what a maroon.

you see what fools like you don't understand is it's all about the cycles of TIME with good teams. they let the soup come to a slow boil. they let it simmer for hours, not microwave it. it's about the vets, acquiring them at the right time while so they can help the rookies trying to learn and adding the perfect pieces to the puzzle so that they all start revving at the same time.

now do that in 2 years and you will be hailed amongst all the gods on high.

Give it a rest, Pettine is fired.

Represent

@miktoxic said:

want a bunch of dimwits on this board. gut it all, trade them all.

you know that is impossible right? and who will be the marquee player the 'new' browns will be built around?

yeah, i thought so.........

Alex Mack

Tayshon Gipson

Donte Whitner

Karlos Dansby

Mitchell Swartz

Travis Benjamin

Dwayne Bowe

Johnny Manziel

Josh Gordan

Coaching Staff

All released, left, or banned and we received a few compensatory picks since then

Impossible?

Soju

startup up number 1,238,343,575,892 will be the one. I can feel it!

hoorta

@represent said:

Alex Mack

Tayshon Gipson

Donte Whitner

Karlos Dansby

Mitchell Swartz

Travis Benjamin

Dwayne Bowe

Johnny Manziel

Josh Gordon

Johnson Bademosi

Craig Robertson

Coaching Staff

All released, left, or banned and we received a few compensatory picks since then

Impossible?

You forgot a few. And replaced with exactly WHAT? A reclamation RG III? I like Hue over Pettine, but yeah we went 3-13 with those guys, and we're going 0-16 without them.

So to make it complete- get rid of Mingo, & Kruger- trade Joe Thomas to the Broncos and really start from ground zero.

I don't care anymore.

gumby73

@hoorta said:

You forgot a few. And replaced with exactly WHAT? A reclamation RG III? I like Hue over Pettine, but yeah we went 3-13 with those guys, and we're going 0-16 without them.

So to make it complete- get rid of Mingo, & Kruger- trade Joe Thomas to the Broncos and really start from ground zero.

I don't care anymore.

Oh we care, but it's a 3-4 round draft of hidden starters at most positions, that we must hit on. As for JT, watch Seattle, Carolina & Denver. But, we just don't need bigger holes than what we already have. Long way to go yet & not like most teams, we sit on a nice Cap, about 40Mill of it, we got to spend some at some point.. Get us a Game day Program, Were going to need one.

gftChris

I know I shouldn't, but here's a list of players that we've drafted, developed, and turned in to starters either here or elsewhere:

QB - ??

RB - Johnson

RB - Crow

LT - JT

LG - bitonio

C - mack

RG - erving

RT - schwartz

TE - cameron

WR - Benjamin

WR - ??

DE - Sheard

DT - Shelton

DT - Rubin

DE - Orchard/Bryant

LB - Kirksey

LB - Robertson

LB - ?

CB - Haden

CB - Skrine

SS - Ward

FS - Gipson

We keep saying we haven't drafted well, but maybe we just haven't got the QB to bring it all together? Just an idea.