Khalil Mack was leading the NFL in sacks until Watt got a sack today...
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Kuechly was highly regarded, but has managed to turn out to be even better than some of his biggest boosters thought he'd be.
I'm still remembering a lot of questions about Watt as he came out early after only two years at Wisconsin at DE and was a TE in the MAC the year before those. His resume was thin.
And it wasn't like his Wisconsin numbers were insanely good either. Honors wise he won the Lott and was 2nd team all-American... both in 2010.
He did, however, raise eyebrows at the Combine.
Kuechly was highly regarded, but has managed to turn out to be even better than some of his biggest boosters thought he'd be.
I'm still remembering a lot of questions about Watt as he came out early after only two years at Wisconsin at DE and was a TE in the MAC the year before those. His resume was thin.
And it wasn't like his Wisconsin numbers were insanely good either. Honors wise he won the Lott and was 2nd team all-American... both in 2010.
He did, however, raise eyebrows at the Combine.
Not using Watt in my argument exactly because nobody expected him to be as good as he is now. But Jones, Kuechly and Mack were all regarded as studs and look where they are now, top 3 at their respective positions.
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Trade down was fine if you take Aaron Donald or Beckham jr
Gilbert lol
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Trade down was fine if you take Aaron Donald or Beckham jr
Gilbert lol
Trade down was fine if you take Aaron Donald or Beckham jr
Gilbert lol
Sure but Donald has no fit in a 3-4 and OBJ has gone far beyond what anyone could have expected.
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Kuechly was highly regarded, but has managed to turn out to be even better than some of his biggest boosters thought he'd be.
I'm still remembering a lot of questions about Watt as he came out early after only two years at Wisconsin at DE and was a TE in the MAC the year before those. His resume was thin.
And it wasn't like his Wisconsin numbers were insanely good either. Honors wise he won the Lott and was 2nd team all-American... both in 2010.
He did, however, raise eyebrows at the Combine.
Not using Watt in my argument exactly because nobody expected him to be as good as he is now. But Jones, Kuechly and Mack were all regarded as studs and look where they are now, top 3 at their respective positions.
Not using Watt in my argument exactly because nobody expected him to be as good as he is now. But Jones, Kuechly and Mack were all regarded as studs and look where they are now, top 3 at their respective positions.
Mack was far from a sure thing. He'd been playing in very mediocre competition and there was doubt over whether he'd be able to step up to the NFL.
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"Meh"
We need to forget the coulda, woulda, shoulda stuff.
Yea we could have hired Bruce Arians and had aaron rodgers and all the damn studs.
But we don't, so lets continue to get drunk and falsely get excited about next year...and the next year...and the next year.
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Trade down was fine if you take Aaron Donald or Beckham jr
Gilbert lol
Sure but Donald has no fit in a 3-4 and OBJ has gone far beyond what anyone could have expected.
Sure but Donald has no fit in a 3-4 and OBJ has gone far beyond what anyone could have expected.
On a related note I was hoping we go back to a 4-3, what would that mean for Shelton ?
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On a related note I was hoping we go back to a 4-3, what would that mean for Shelton ?
Trouble. And/or a crash diet where he loses about 50 lbs.
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On a related note I was hoping we go back to a 4-3, what would that mean for Shelton ?
Trouble. And/or a crash diet where he loses about 50 lbs.
Trouble. And/or a crash diet where he loses about 50 lbs.
So we've drafted a guy in the first round to play in a 3-4 then sacked the coach. What if the next coach doesn't want to run it, ffs
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So we've drafted a guy in the first round to play in a 3-4 then sacked the coach. What if the next coach doesn't want to run it, ffs
I think part of the requirements will be to get the best out of the talent we have. Any coach that comes here and tries to fit players to a system won't do well, that's for sure. We have players who have certain talents, we need to put them in a position to demonstrate those talents.
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Not using Watt in my argument exactly because nobody expected him to be as good as he is now. But Jones, Kuechly and Mack were all regarded as studs and look where they are now, top 3 at their respective positions.
Mack was far from a sure thing. He'd been playing in very mediocre competition and there was doubt over whether he'd be able to step up to the NFL.
Mack was far from a sure thing. He'd been playing in very mediocre competition and there was doubt over whether he'd be able to step up to the NFL.
i'm gonna disagree with you there. He tore up OSU and his combine was outstanding. If not for that OSU game and one other I believe, yeah you would be right. But on the big stage he utterly tore shit up. Rookie year, one of the best run stoppers at OLB'er. 2nd year...now he's one of the best pass rushers. Holy fuck.
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Mack was far from a sure thing. He'd been playing in very mediocre competition and there was doubt over whether he'd be able to step up to the NFL.
i'm gonna disagree with you there. He tore up OSU and his combine was outstanding. If not for that OSU game and one other I believe, yeah you would be right. But on the big stage he utterly tore shit up. Rookie year, one of the best run stoppers at OLB'er. 2nd year...now he's one of the best pass rushers. Holy fuck.
i'm gonna disagree with you there. He tore up OSU and his combine was outstanding. If not for that OSU game and one other I believe, yeah you would be right. But on the big stage he utterly tore shit up. Rookie year, one of the best run stoppers at OLB'er. 2nd year...now he's one of the best pass rushers. Holy fuck.
Yeah it was that OSU game that elevated him really. A good career against meh competition would have been fine and dandy, but the OSU game gave teams faith.
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On a related note I was hoping we go back to a 4-3, what would that mean for Shelton ?
Trouble. And/or a crash diet where he loses about 50 lbs.
Trouble. And/or a crash diet where he loses about 50 lbs.
He's been in there with Meder at DT when we run 4-3 looks. I don't think it would affect him at all. If anything I would think it would make him even more effective as he'll see less doubles. As a 3-4 NT you are double teamed every single down pretty much, unless you suck. Two effective two gapping DT's makes for a nasty 4-3 if you pair them with competent DE's. ie cincy's 4-3.
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Agree, I think Shelton will be fine
Too much is made out of the 3-4/4-3 thing. It comes down more to utilization of the talent you have.
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You know, I coulda been a Victoria Secrets Model if I had grown wings and a pussy. But I have neither.....so what is the point of regret?
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You know, I coulda been a Victoria Secrets Model if I had grown wings and a pussy. But I have neither.....so what is the point of regret?
You know, I coulda been a Victoria Secrets Model if I had grown wings and a pussy. But I have neither.....so what is the point of regret?
because people want to, again, forego immediate production in favor of projects.
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Not using Watt in my argument exactly because nobody expected him to be as good as he is now. But Jones, Kuechly and Mack were all regarded as studs and look where they are now, top 3 at their respective positions.
Mack was far from a sure thing. He'd been playing in very mediocre competition and there was doubt over whether he'd be able to step up to the NFL.
Mack was far from a sure thing. He'd been playing in very mediocre competition and there was doubt over whether he'd be able to step up to the NFL.
There were doubters to be sure, but he was closer to "surefire" that almost any other player in his draft... at least that's what I remember.
OBJ had an injury question circling him going into the draft.
... so lets continue to get drunk and falsely get excited about next year...and the next year...and the next year.
Finally a plan near and dear to a Browns' fans' heart... and liver...
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You know, I coulda been a Victoria Secrets Model if I had grown wings and a pussy. But I have neither.....so what is the point of regret?
because people want to, again, forego immediate production in favor of projects.
because people want to, again, forego immediate production in favor of projects.
... plus we all want to make the picks we hit upon known to others...
And Shelton will be fine... I know... I wanted to pick him...
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