Jonathan Paul Manziel
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If you want to fuck with him put him on kick returns. He'll get fucked up quicker than, well, quicker than the new HC.
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Zombo said:
I guess I should take a victory lap here ... but actually this makes me sad. I know I pissed off the A&M boys and good Browns fans like Westside and TCPO over this guy ... but something never smelled right with this guy. He's not a Brown. At least we found out in two years and not three. McCown and Goff wouldn't be the worst thing for an offensive minded coach to start with next year.
Z
Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
VesnaKociper said:
The real sin here, is that any of you ever accepted this piece of shit once his colors were exposed. There was simply no reason for him to have ever finished his rookie year as a Brown. How could anyone not know this guy hated Cleveland?
Seriously, would you want to play in Cleveland? You would have to be nuts.
The reality Tom is in the history of the NFL a first round pick has never been cut after one season. I don't think he hated Cleveland- it's just that he likes partying and drinking more. Assuming Tony Grossi is right- and I have no reason to believe he'd make up an accusation like that if he wasn't sure it was correct- Manziel showed up for work drunk on Wednesday. Most corporations would have fired him on the spot for something like that. The only reason they didn't cut him is the (faint) hope they can sucker a seventh round pick out of Dallas for the guy.
Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
The reality Tom is in the history of the NFL a first round pick has never been cut after one season. I don't think he hated Cleveland- it's just that he likes partying and drinking more. Assuming Tony Grossi is right- and I have no reason to believe he'd make up an accusation like that if he wasn't sure it was correct- Manziel showed up for work drunk on Wednesday. Most corporations would have fired him on the spot for something like that. The only reason they didn't cut him is the (faint) hope they can sucker a seventh round pick out of Dallas for the guy.
I do have to ask this question.....because you all accuse Bernie Kosar of it:
If he was truly suffering from serious concussion ramifications.....couldn't it appear that he was drunk without being drunk?
Not making excuses for him.....but I am wondering if it was really that, and that is why he was declared inactive so soon with no chance to evaluate him.
Maybe he really suffered some damage. I saw a reel from the KC game where it showed JMZ being earholed once, body slammed on his head another two times.
So, maybe he really, really was in a very bad state of concussion.....and his dishelvement and actions were those of a guy with a bad concussion and not a guy that was inebriated.
Again, no excuses for him.....his trip to Vegas was enough to put him on any shit list.....but still. Drunk or concussed? (unless they say he had a strong odor of alcohol about him)
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why was he even drafted? thats the one I don't get.VesnaKociper said:
The real sin here, is that any of you ever accepted this piece of shit once his colors were exposed. There was simply no reason for him to have ever finished his rookie year as a Brown. How could anyone not know this guy hated Cleveland?
Seriously, would you want to play in Cleveland? You would have to be nuts.
why was he even drafted? thats the one I don't get.
Well, the guy that drafted him just got fired. He was one of the reasons why.
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Zombo said:
Two more years.
Let him rot.
Zombo
The only problem with that Z (and to others espousing that scenario) it's as big a waste of a roster spot as Dwayne Bowe was this year. He's probably not even going to last a couple years without landing in the league substance abuse program. Amazing he hasn't already landed in it.
The only problem with that Z (and to others espousing that scenario) it's as big a waste of a roster spot as Dwayne Bowe was this year. He's probably not even going to last a couple years without landing in the league substance abuse program. Amazing he hasn't already landed in it.
That is why I say get him on to the IR if you can. Then you do'n't waste that roster spot.
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If you want to fuck with him put him on kick returns. He'll get fucked up quicker than, well, quicker than the new HC.
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Maybe he's in the concussion protocol because they confused hungover/drunk with being concussed.
Or they purposely confused it, in order to have an excuse to keep him off the field Sunday.
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Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
The reality Tom is in the history of the NFL a first round pick has never been cut after one season. I don't think he hated Cleveland- it's just that he likes partying and drinking more. Assuming Tony Grossi is right- and I have no reason to believe he'd make up an accusation like that if he wasn't sure it was correct- Manziel showed up for work drunk on Wednesday. Most corporations would have fired him on the spot for something like that. The only reason they didn't cut him is the (faint) hope they can sucker a seventh round pick out of Dallas for the guy.
I do have to ask this question.....because you all accuse Bernie Kosar of it:
If he was truly suffering from serious concussion ramifications.....couldn't it appear that he was drunk without being drunk?
Not making excuses for him.....but I am wondering if it was really that, and that is why he was declared inactive so soon with no chance to evaluate him.
Maybe he really suffered some damage. I saw a reel from the KC game where it showed JMZ being earholed once, body slammed on his head another two times.
So, maybe he really, really was in a very bad state of concussion.....and his dishelvement and actions were those of a guy with a bad concussion and not a guy that was inebriated.
Again, no excuses for him.....his trip to Vegas was enough to put him on any shit list.....but still. Drunk or concussed? (unless they say he had a strong odor of alcohol about him)
I do have to ask this question.....because you all accuse Bernie Kosar of it:
If he was truly suffering from serious concussion ramifications.....couldn't it appear that he was drunk without being drunk?
Not making excuses for him.....but I am wondering if it was really that, and that is why he was declared inactive so soon with no chance to evaluate him.
Maybe he really suffered some damage. I saw a reel from the KC game where it showed JMZ being earholed once, body slammed on his head another two times.
So, maybe he really, really was in a very bad state of concussion.....and his dishelvement and actions were those of a guy with a bad concussion and not a guy that was inebriated.
Again, no excuses for him.....his trip to Vegas was enough to put him on any shit list.....but still. Drunk or concussed? (unless they say he had a strong odor of alcohol about him)
Any MD worth his salt who was diagnosing concussion vs inebriation would have ordered an immediate blood alcohol level test (I'd include drugs in that too) if there was even the slightest hint. No MD worth a shit would diagnoses concussion just for the sake of the team if there was even the slightest possibility of intoxication from substances. Most real MDs do have ethical standards.
Either way none of it excuses Vegas if eventually proven true.
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I read somewhere an article with a neurologists opinion when questioned about JM in which he stated the if his concussion was a mild one, which he could only presume it was, then he would have been fine to fly to Vegas. Also stated had it been a severe concussion he'd be ill advised, probably medically not allowed to fly (making the concussion over drunkenness claim highly unlikely), so either way its a blatant disregard to his own and the teams best interests.
Good riddance
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Manziel's girlfriend's best friend talking about the Vegas trip. Seems like he definitely went.
Grossi reports Manziel was at team facility today, first in and first out - didn't go into the locker room to talk to the media.
The reports of him being drunk in the facility this week and not concussed seem to be gaining more traction as well.
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I do have to ask this question.....because you all accuse Bernie Kosar of it:
If he was truly suffering from serious concussion ramifications.....couldn't it appear that he was drunk without being drunk?
Not making excuses for him.....but I am wondering if it was really that, and that is why he was declared inactive so soon with no chance to evaluate him.
Maybe he really suffered some damage. I saw a reel from the KC game where it showed JMZ being earholed once, body slammed on his head another two times.
So, maybe he really, really was in a very bad state of concussion.....and his dishelvement and actions were those of a guy with a bad concussion and not a guy that was inebriated.
Again, no excuses for him.....his trip to Vegas was enough to put him on any shit list.....but still. Drunk or concussed? (unless they say he had a strong odor of alcohol about him)
Any MD worth his salt who was diagnosing concussion vs inebriation would have ordered an immediate blood alcohol level test (I'd include drugs in that too) if there was even the slightest hint. No MD worth a shit would diagnoses concussion just for the sake of the team if there was even the slightest possibility of intoxication from substances. Most real MDs do have ethical standards.
Either way none of it excuses Vegas if eventually proven true.
Any MD worth his salt who was diagnosing concussion vs inebriation would have ordered an immediate blood alcohol level test (I'd include drugs in that too) if there was even the slightest hint. No MD worth a shit would diagnoses concussion just for the sake of the team if there was even the slightest possibility of intoxication from substances. Most real MDs do have ethical standards.
Either way none of it excuses Vegas if eventually proven true.
That is why I speculate about his "inebriation/dishevelment" actually being those concussion related symptoms....and not drunkenness.
But....fuck him anyway....the drunk.
My Cleveland Browns are not a halfway house for drunken assholes, even if they are concussed. It is a place for winning football players. Not petulant children. He may have been concussed on Wednesday.....but his judgment wasn't so affected that he couldn't tell that going to Vegas was not the right thing to do.
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I'm sure Johnny has a good excuse for not showing up in Berea Sunday morning.
"I went to church"!
Or, "I forgot...I do have a concussion ya know"?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Pettine denied that Manziel was drunk at the facility
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I'm sure Johnny has a good excuse for not showing up in Berea Sunday morning.
"I went to church"!
Or, "I forgot...I do have a concussion ya know"?
I'm sure Johnny has a good excuse for not showing up in Berea Sunday morning.
"I went to church"!
Or, "I forgot...I do have a concussion ya know"?
He didn't know he had to be there. That's what he said.
Gilbert said he missed a lot of meetings last year because he's a "heavy sleeper"
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I'm sure Johnny has a good excuse for not showing up in Berea Sunday morning.
"I went to church"!
Or, "I forgot...I do have a concussion ya know"?
He didn't know he had to be there. That's what he said.
Gilbert said he missed a lot of meetings last year because he's a "heavy sleeper"
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He didn't know he had to be there. That's what he said.
Gilbert said he missed a lot of meetings last year because he's a "heavy sleeper"
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These two fucking CUNTS are beyond the pail, I hope their NFL careers are over they don't deserve to play anywhere let alone here
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These two fucking CUNTS are beyond the pail, I hope their NFL careers are over they don't deserve to play anywhere let alone here
Sadly I have to agree. Totally unprofessional any way you slice it.
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why was he even drafted? thats the one I don't get.
Well, the guy that drafted him just got fired. He was one of the reasons why.
Well, the guy that drafted him just got fired. He was one of the reasons why.
No.. the guy that drafted him still owns the team.. And thats an even bigger problem Gip.. And he still wants to doit by hiring the HC first.. ughhh
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Johnny does care.
About Johnny.
Johnny does care.
About Johnny.
I don't think so.
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I was only half kidding when I proposed that the symptoms for concussion are the same as a hangover.
Sucks to be right, even if unintentionally.
Cut the imbecile.
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Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
The reality Tom is in the history of the NFL a first round pick has never been cut after one season. I don't think he hated Cleveland- it's just that he likes partying and drinking more. Assuming Tony Grossi is right- and I have no reason to believe he'd make up an accusation like that if he wasn't sure it was correct- Manziel showed up for work drunk on Wednesday. Most corporations would have fired him on the spot for something like that. The only reason they didn't cut him is the (faint) hope they can sucker a seventh round pick out of Dallas for the guy.
I do have to ask this question.....because you all accuse Bernie Kosar of it:
If he was truly suffering from serious concussion ramifications.....couldn't it appear that he was drunk without being drunk?
Not making excuses for him.....but I am wondering if it was really that, and that is why he was declared inactive so soon with no chance to evaluate him.
Maybe he really suffered some damage. I saw a reel from the KC game where it showed JMZ being earholed once, body slammed on his head another two times.
So, maybe he really, really was in a very bad state of concussion.....and his dishelvement and actions were those of a guy with a bad concussion and not a guy that was inebriated.
Again, no excuses for him.....his trip to Vegas was enough to put him on any shit list.....but still. Drunk or concussed? (unless they say he had a strong odor of alcohol about him)
I do have to ask this question.....because you all accuse Bernie Kosar of it:
If he was truly suffering from serious concussion ramifications.....couldn't it appear that he was drunk without being drunk?
Not making excuses for him.....but I am wondering if it was really that, and that is why he was declared inactive so soon with no chance to evaluate him.
Maybe he really suffered some damage. I saw a reel from the KC game where it showed JMZ being earholed once, body slammed on his head another two times.
So, maybe he really, really was in a very bad state of concussion.....and his dishelvement and actions were those of a guy with a bad concussion and not a guy that was inebriated.
Again, no excuses for him.....his trip to Vegas was enough to put him on any shit list.....but still. Drunk or concussed? (unless they say he had a strong odor of alcohol about him)
strong odor of an alcoholic beverage. Ethanol is for most intents and purposes odorless. Its the other stuff - yeast, hops, etc that provide the odor.
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Pettine denied that Manziel was drunk at the facility
Pettine denied that Manziel was drunk at the facility
I read where Pettine might have been parsing language about this. Pettine said Manziel was not drunk Tuesday at the facility. It was Wednesday when Manziel was alleged to have been drunk.
Grossi asked coach Mike Pettine, who was fired Sunday, about whether the alleged incident occurred Tuesday.
“He denied that that happened on Tuesday,” Grossi said. “But other people I’ve talked to said that it happened the next day, on Wednesday.”
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/01/04/johnny-manziel-browns-inebriated-report/
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