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  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #39

    Brady's Ball Sack said:

    Just to add, Rex's system is dependent on CB talent and a smart mike who correctly directs traffic like David Harris and Jim Leonhard from the Jets, or Lewis and Reed from the birds.

    ANY injuries without suitable back ups with the same grasp of the scheme spells total failure, like the 2015 Bills defense. It was a shit show out there this year.

    Leonard was a safety. Though he was responsible for most of the secondary communication I've read.

    However if your scheme is so dependent on CB talent that it appears broken when said talent is not available, its time to adjust the modus operandi.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Brady's Ball Sack said:

    Trust me guys, you don't want Mario Williams.

    -aside from a bull rush, he has zero moves and zero speed.

    -Usually blocked one on one

    -totally useless in a 3-4 base

    -he can't run

    -can't cover a turtle.

    -system is way to complicated for him

    -His sacks came from (others)

    Uh oh.....sounds a lot like Kruger....

    RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on
    #40

    @mudfly said:

    Uh oh.....sounds a lot like Kruger....

    Funny thing Kruger just came out saying he hasn't been "utilized in the best way"
    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #41

    Only argument I would really feel like presenting at this point would be, if both defenses require 'field generals'...

    Why did the Buffalo defense go from good to great 'after' Pettine had left and has now regressed with Rexy?

    This is where I feel the stubborn adherence to a particular philosophy regardless of the personnel a coaching staff has can be costly. I have no doubt Rex will be railroaded out of town by this time next year. A similar concern I've had with the Browns, if your defense requires talent that is traditionally very difficult to not only scout but develop (2pt OLBs, elite CB's) then perhaps a shift in belief is needed.

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #42

    we pick up Mario and use him in our 4-3 looks "none of you" will be complaining. We're still going to retain Orchard and Armonty so we can still have the 3-4 looks that Pettine wants. But you've all seen this year that when we line up in the 4-3 with Dez and Cooper as the ends, we kind of start to look like a competent NFL defense. Yeah if we bring in Mario and use him exactly like we're using Kruger, pffftttt....waste of time and bye bye Pettine after next year.

  • C Clevfan4life

    we pick up Mario and use him in our 4-3 looks "none of you" will be complaining. We're still going to retain Orchard and Armonty so we can still have the 3-4 looks that Pettine wants. But you've all seen this year that when we line up in the 4-3 with Dez and Cooper as the ends, we kind of start to look like a competent NFL defense. Yeah if we bring in Mario and use him exactly like we're using Kruger, pffftttt....waste of time and bye bye Pettine after next year.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #43

    @clevfan4life said:

    we pick up Mario and use him in our 4-3 looks "none of you" will be complaining. We're still going to retain Orchard and Armonty so we can still have the 3-4 looks that Pettine wants. But you've all seen this year that when we line up in the 4-3 with Dez and Cooper as the ends, we kind of start to look like a competent NFL defense. Yeah if we bring in Mario and use him exactly like we're using Kruger, pffftttt....waste of time and bye bye Pettine after next year.

    Orchard and Armonty were both 4-3 DEs in college, as was Mingo. Our edge rushing talent seems much more suited to a 4-3.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @clevfan4life said:

    we pick up Mario and use him in our 4-3 looks "none of you" will be complaining. We're still going to retain Orchard and Armonty so we can still have the 3-4 looks that Pettine wants. But you've all seen this year that when we line up in the 4-3 with Dez and Cooper as the ends, we kind of start to look like a competent NFL defense. Yeah if we bring in Mario and use him exactly like we're using Kruger, pffftttt....waste of time and bye bye Pettine after next year.

    Orchard and Armonty were both 4-3 DEs in college, as was Mingo. Our edge rushing talent seems much more suited to a 4-3.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #44

    @gftchris said:

    Orchard and Armonty were both 4-3 DEs in college, as was Mingo. Our edge rushing talent seems much more suited to a 4-3.

    Again.....another indication of our DC not utilizing his talent properly.

    Thank God O'neil is history.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    Orchard and Armonty were both 4-3 DEs in college, as was Mingo. Our edge rushing talent seems much more suited to a 4-3.

    Again.....another indication of our DC not utilizing his talent properly.

    Thank God O'neil is history.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #45

    @the-gipper said:

    Again.....another indication of our DC not utilizing his talent properly.

    Thank God O'neil is history.

    Bryant and Mingo were 2013 selections - DC Ray Horton. Mingo was immediately made OLB, while Armonty moved to 3-4 DE.

    Orchard's the only one you can really say was O'Neil, but either way, college players move from 3-4 to 4-3 and vice versa quite a lot.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-gipper said:

    Again.....another indication of our DC not utilizing his talent properly.

    Thank God O'neil is history.

    Bryant and Mingo were 2013 selections - DC Ray Horton. Mingo was immediately made OLB, while Armonty moved to 3-4 DE.

    Orchard's the only one you can really say was O'Neil, but either way, college players move from 3-4 to 4-3 and vice versa quite a lot.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #46

    @gftchris said:

    Bryant and Mingo were 2013 selections - DC Ray Horton. Mingo was immediately made OLB, while Armonty moved to 3-4 DE.

    Orchard's the only one you can really say was O'Neil, but either way, college players move from 3-4 to 4-3 and vice versa quite a lot.

    O'Neil has coached these guys the last two years. Whatever he did sucked....be that utilizations, scheme, motivation etc.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #47
    Yeah... Orchard has not developed at all...
    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #48

    forget Mario now. Only chance we had was if Pet stayed. He'll probably land in Miami.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #49

    Orchard won't play with his hand in the dirt in q four man front unless it's a very obvious passing down.

  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #50

    Williams released apparently. Any interest from anyone here?

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #51

    No... only fit is as a stand up OLB which is the use he bitched about in BUF... and coincidentally produced relative squat in filling.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #52

    On the flip side, if we were to sign him and draft Bosa or Buckner, we could very easily transition to a mean 4-3.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    On the flip side, if we were to sign him and draft Bosa or Buckner, we could very easily transition to a mean 4-3.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #53

    @gftchris said:

    On the flip side, if we were to sign him and draft Bosa or Buckner, we could very easily transition to a mean 4-3.

    Draft Bosa? Dude you're crazy why? There's two Tom Brady's in this draft and we have to take one of them so we can cut him in two years....duhhhh!!! What are you thinking?

  • C Clevfan4life

    @gftchris said:

    On the flip side, if we were to sign him and draft Bosa or Buckner, we could very easily transition to a mean 4-3.

    Draft Bosa? Dude you're crazy why? There's two Tom Brady's in this draft and we have to take one of them so we can cut him in two years....duhhhh!!! What are you thinking?

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #54

    @clevfan4life said:

    Draft Bosa? Dude you're crazy why? There's two Tom Brady's in this draft and we have to take one of them so we can cut him in two years....duhhhh!!! What are you thinking?

    Don't worry, he's firmly in #CampGoff

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #55

    lol... yup... Methinks Chris was fishing....

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #56

    of course he was fishing. I for one am all in on the next new kid who I get to watch do cool shit on our sideline like Talk to McCown/Davis through a headset and give the guys high fives as they come off the field. I totally want that guys jersey .

  • C Clevfan4life

    of course he was fishing. I for one am all in on the next new kid who I get to watch do cool shit on our sideline like Talk to McCown/Davis through a headset and give the guys high fives as they come off the field. I totally want that guys jersey .

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #57

    @clevfan4life said:

    of course he was fishing. I for one am all in on the next new kid who I get to watch do cool shit on our sideline like Talk to McCown/Davis through a headset and give the guys high fives as they come off the field. I totally want that guys jersey .

    I love this idea you have that one player is going to come in and suddenly make our D elite, like the Cleveland Broncos (now *that* is fishing). Sorry, but a QB drumpfs all other position if there's a guy that can make you set at a position.

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @clevfan4life said:

    of course he was fishing. I for one am all in on the next new kid who I get to watch do cool shit on our sideline like Talk to McCown/Davis through a headset and give the guys high fives as they come off the field. I totally want that guys jersey .

    I love this idea you have that one player is going to come in and suddenly make our D elite, like the Cleveland Broncos (now *that* is fishing). Sorry, but a QB drumpfs all other position if there's a guy that can make you set at a position.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #58

    @gftchris said:

    I love this idea you have that one player is going to come in and suddenly make our D elite, like the Cleveland Broncos (now *that* is fishing). Sorry, but a QB drumpfs all other position if there's a guy that can make you set at a position.

    1) I have zero confidence that guy is in this draft. Zero. I see nothing but maybe's and projects.

    2) Bosa or some other front 4 guy isn't going to make our line elite by himself. Of course not. But alongside Shelton, Meder and if we were next level we'd go out and get Mario and Long, or both. But even just Bosa and Orchard as our edges i'd be "very" happy with in terms of building something on defense.

    Even if one of these kids is money, I have zero interest in watching a young promising qb die behind our offensive line that has to deal with constant pass rushing because our defense can't stop shit so opposing defense's just pin their ears back and get after the new kid. If our offense is constantly playing from behind it doesn't matter who's QB.

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