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Sean Payton Staying In New Orleans

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  • W Westside Steve

    Seems like a low price for a coach with the ability to take a team to the Superbowl.

    One might wonder why the Saints aren't headed to the championship with the great Drew Brees and such a wonderful coach?

    WSS

    B browns52 wrote on
    #27

    @westside-steve said:

    Seems like a low price for a coach with the ability to take a team to the Superbowl.

    One might wonder why the Saints aren't headed to the championship with the great Drew Brees and such a wonderful coach?

    WSS

    might have something to do with the worse defense ever since the inception of football....don't think that is a drew brees issue...not sure about peyton if he gets involved with drafting players...don't know how there structure is set up...

  • bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #28

    We're not getting Sean Peyton - and it has nothing to do with the moneyball tactic.

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    We're not getting Sean Peyton - and it has nothing to do with the moneyball tactic.

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #29

    @bbedward said:

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

    Were we in that dozen-plus prior to two days ago?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @bbedward said:

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

    Were we in that dozen-plus prior to two days ago?

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #30

    @tour2ma said:

    Were we in that dozen-plus prior to two days ago?

    Seems that way, this gives a decent beakdown of it: http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings

    At least Banner was into it a little bit, not sure about Farmer - probably why we commissioned the study of the best quarterback which should have made Bridgewater our QB instead of Manziel.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #31

    Great link and a really interesting read... We may be the first "all-in" team in the NFL.

    Interesting read on who has been the biggest proponents. NE springs to mind but Philly and KC, both largely due to Andy Reid, have been leaders in its use. And BLT is high on list as well.

    Also interesting to see us among 9 "Believers" teams while only 4 are considered total "Non-Believers".

    Thanks...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • cvcanedyC cvcanedy wrote on
    #32

    Nfl.com story that he's staying in NO

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • U Unsympathetic wrote on
    #33

    Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period.

    Doesn't matter that the exact same was said about moneyball..

    If it means we won't draft players with character red flags like Manziel and Gilbert, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who didn't produce in college like Mingo, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who don't want to be in CLE like Twatwater, great.

    I've seen a lot of assertions of the "Conclusions" of analytics... and frankly that's all nonsense inside someone's head.

    There is no one single Analytical Method to Rule Them All.. it's going to be John's Method, and he may not have it tweaked right the first or second time.

    It's just more information for the GM to make decisions. This is essentially saying that the Browns are investing in data - nothing more.

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
    bbedwardB Mark OM 2 Replies
  • U Unsympathetic

    Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period.

    Doesn't matter that the exact same was said about moneyball..

    If it means we won't draft players with character red flags like Manziel and Gilbert, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who didn't produce in college like Mingo, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who don't want to be in CLE like Twatwater, great.

    I've seen a lot of assertions of the "Conclusions" of analytics... and frankly that's all nonsense inside someone's head.

    There is no one single Analytical Method to Rule Them All.. it's going to be John's Method, and he may not have it tweaked right the first or second time.

    It's just more information for the GM to make decisions. This is essentially saying that the Browns are investing in data - nothing more.

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #34

    @unsympathetic said:

    My take on that was Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period. Doesn't matter that the exact same was said about baseball..

    Correct application of analytics do work and several NFL teams use them in multiple areas - probably most widely in terms of medical reasons at the moment, but also in terms of some other stuff.

    All in how we apply the data we collect and analyze.

    Regardless, I think Payton's only real interest was the Colts. Pretty much every big name under the sun showed interest in the Colts - including Gruden apparently. Then they extended Pagano...

  • cvcanedyC cvcanedy

    Nfl.com story that he's staying in NO

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #35

    @cvcanedy said:

    Nfl.com story that he's staying in NO

    @bbedward said:

    I think Payton's only real interest was the Colts.

    Quite possibly on both counts, but watching his presser live there sure seemed to be a lot of parsing of words in it.

    I suspect all is not settled in NOLA...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • U Unsympathetic

    Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period.

    Doesn't matter that the exact same was said about moneyball..

    If it means we won't draft players with character red flags like Manziel and Gilbert, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who didn't produce in college like Mingo, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who don't want to be in CLE like Twatwater, great.

    I've seen a lot of assertions of the "Conclusions" of analytics... and frankly that's all nonsense inside someone's head.

    There is no one single Analytical Method to Rule Them All.. it's going to be John's Method, and he may not have it tweaked right the first or second time.

    It's just more information for the GM to make decisions. This is essentially saying that the Browns are investing in data - nothing more.

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on
    #36

    @unsympathetic said:

    Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period.

    Who the fuck cares what these two Retards think?

  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #37

    I guess that means the Saints are going to the Superbowl this year.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    I guess that means the Saints are going to the Superbowl this year.

    WSS

    B browns52 wrote on
    #38

    @westside-steve said:

    I guess that means the Saints are going to the Superbowl this year.

    WSS

    nope. but at least they won a superbowl.. more than what this fucking shitass team has done. we havn't even been to a superbowl.

    W 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #39

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14515792/sean-payton-remain-head-coach-new-orleans-saints

    Pagano staying in Indy.

    Payton staying in NOLA

    That reduces the field of teams looking for HCs.......though a major surprise came up in Tampa....though it seems they have their man in mind to promote from within. They just need to do the token thing under the Rooney rule.

  • B browns52

    @westside-steve said:

    I guess that means the Saints are going to the Superbowl this year.

    WSS

    nope. but at least they won a superbowl.. more than what this fucking shitass team has done. we havn't even been to a superbowl.

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #40

    @browns52 said:

    nope. but at least they won a superbowl.. more than what this fucking shitass team has done. we havn't even been to a superbowl.

    So this guy to do it for the Browns? If so maybe he can do it for his own fucking Tim instead of getting fired or run out of town.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    @browns52 said:

    nope. but at least they won a superbowl.. more than what this fucking shitass team has done. we havn't even been to a superbowl.

    So this guy to do it for the Browns? If so maybe he can do it for his own fucking Tim instead of getting fired or run out of town.

    WSS

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #41

    @westside-steve said:

    If so maybe he can do it for his own fucking Tim instead of getting fired or run out of town.

    NaturallySpeaking?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @westside-steve said:

    If so maybe he can do it for his own fucking Tim instead of getting fired or run out of town.

    NaturallySpeaking?

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #42

    @tour2ma said:

    NaturallySpeaking?

    Team...

    And actually I think it's just Google speech to text.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #43

    lol... Must be your Ohio accent...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    lol... Must be your Ohio accent...

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #44

    @tour2ma said:

    lol... Must be your Ohio accent...

    As a theater major I minored in speech and speech therapy. Our dialect in Ohio is known as general American which is the one that newscasters in just about every part of the country strive for.

    But my eyesight is shitty and I'm too lazy to proofread!

    🙂

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #45

    lol... leave it to you to come up with an alternate theory...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on
    #46

    Sean Payton needs to find him a badass defensive coordinator, that's the bottom line. This guy won a freaking Superbowl. It's so strange to me that teams will fire coaches that won a damn SUPER BOWL. Tom Coughlin? Yeah, that guy won TWO. Sure they underperformed this year, but they lost about 7 games in the fourth quarter, some at the very end. I guess you could say they could be the coach's fault, but the players might disagree. I'd take Tom Coughlin in a skinny second, although a guy like that wouldn't come to Cleveland in a million years, and who could blame him. From what I understand, Tom is an asshole to work for, but he gets results. He works the players VERY hard in practice, and that's something we need. The impression I got when he "retired" was that the players were extremely sad and felt they failed him. That's respect.

    The Saints made the right move. Suppose they fired Payton...who would they replace him with? Another coach that won a Superbowl? I doubt it. But again, a coach needs excellent coordinators, and last year he had Rob Ryan. Several people on this board disagree with me, but I feel (and several analysts feel the same way) that the Rex Ryan defense is outdated and overly complicated. Yes, I realize there are differences between Rex, Rob, and Pettine, but there are also similarities. The biggest similarity is, they give up a shitload of points and yards. I think their schemes could work if you have the right level of talent on board, but that's not the case. I think Brees still has a few years left in the tank, and if the Saints can grab a stud DC, they'll be back in the playoffs next year. Not just because they're a talented group, but mainly because their division is very weak.

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