Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Not that Hoyer is elite ( he isn't ), but I'd be pretty pissed too if I was busting my ass and playing my balls off to get replaced by a midget who doesn't give a damn about Cleveland or football.
was busting my ass and playing my balls off to get replaced by a midget who doesn't give a damn about Cleveland or football.
i wonder if billy vegas ever made that apparent while being amongst his 'peers'?
also wonder what that first meeting of the 2 first round draft picks was like. were both manziel and gilbert planning on Fing the browns or did one kinda steer the wagon? i remember the after the draft presser and they both seemed eerily similar in their false bravado.
perfumed ponces.
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As fascinating as that might be to someone who gives a shit about Tom Coughlin or Eli Manning it has nothing to do with what I was asking.
Apparently after the first season Fiasco Johnny worked very hard to turn his game around. Something must have happened to make him throw that away.
I just wonder what that was.
That's simple dude. He fell off the wagon..
So you believe that it is an actual addiction to alcohol?
I don't buy that, even though anything is possible.
We assume that there were some in Berea on his side and some who were not.
By the time the Las Vegas turd dropped into the punch bowl it had to be apparent inside the building who was on his way out of town.
WSS
ame="flyingfooldoug" post="567071" timestamp="1452172562"]
So you believe that it is an actual addiction to alcohol?
I don't buy that, even though anything is possible.
We assume that there were some in Berea on his side and some who were not.
By the time the Las Vegas turd dropped into the punch bowl it had to be apparent inside the building who was on his way out of town.
WSS
And??
THAT makes it OK for the starting QB to fly out of town before his teammates get ready to play a rivalry game and skip a treatment meeting?
I haven't been following along here real closely, but ... Your are still not defending this guy are you?
I mean if it's the alcohol, you cut bait but you hope for the best ... if he's just a petulant shithead you hope he never plays in this league again.
We didn't change owners ... we didn't change teammates ... do you think there is anyone left in the organization that trusts this guy?
Zombo
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I don't think it is a done deal the Cowboys would even want Manziel after this latest incident along with everything else that has gone down with Manziel since his time in Cleveland. What team would want the circus for an unproven qb? What team wants this kind of distraction? I think Manziel might have a hard time finding another NFL club who will take him.
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Rumor has it he's well liked among some other players. Who knows?
There will always be an element that likes his fun personality and "celebrity", but as is the case here, they will mostly be young guys... or old farts in a skirt...
put anyone under a microscope...
lo-fuckin-l... frisky... dude... you have to be Helen fuckin' Keller at this point to not see...
There will always be an element that likes his fun personality and "celebrity", but as is the case here, they will mostly be young guys... or old farts in a skirt...
lo-fuckin-l... frisky... dude... you have to be Helen fuckin' Keller at this point to not see...
Well it's important to be popular among the young players. The ones that will come together and gel as a team as time goes by. If, in fact, any staff or bunch of players got more than 18 months together.
As for the old guys collecting a retirement check?
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^^ nice lol
^^ nice lol
Wheres the puppy?..lol
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ame="flyingfooldoug" post="567071" timestamp="1452172562"]
So you believe that it is an actual addiction to alcohol?
I don't buy that, even though anything is possible.
We assume that there were some in Berea on his side and some who were not.
By the time the Las Vegas turd dropped into the punch bowl it had to be apparent inside the building who was on his way out of town.
WSS
And??
THAT makes it OK for the starting QB to fly out of town before his teammates get ready to play a rivalry game and skip a treatment meeting?
I haven't been following along here real closely, but ... Your are still not defending this guy are you?
I mean if it's the alcohol, you cut bait but you hope for the best ... if he's just a petulant shithead you hope he never plays in this league again.
We didn't change owners ... we didn't change teammates ... do you think there is anyone left in the organization that trusts this guy?
Zombo
A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.Zombo said:
And??
THAT makes it OK for the starting QB to fly out of town before his teammates get ready to play a rivalry game and skip a treatment meeting?
I haven't been following along here real closely, but ... Your are still not defending this guy are you?
I mean if it's the alcohol, you cut bait but you hope for the best ... if he's just a petulant shithead you hope he never plays in this league again.
We didn't change owners ... we didn't change teammates ... do you think there is anyone left in the organization that trusts this guy?
Zombo
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
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LOL! To those who just want to hack & cut, move to Cut & Shoot Texas (Home of Roy Harris, once beaten in the 50's by reigning heavyweight champ Floyd Patterson in the 13 round).
You have to be unemotional when it comes to a business decision and JM's future most definitely is a business decision for the Browns. What is the cost of cutting if he is picked up by another team vs. what is the cost of trading? Does the new coach want to retain him? The new analytics guys can work with the new coach and new GM to figure out exactly what to do about Billy. Hopefully this time Jimmy stays completely out of the decision making on ALL players, including JM.
...He's made a mockery of the organization and the team and has flipped the byrd at authority. End this clown show. The punk is a huge distraction and its humiliating...his actions say he wants out. Personally I'd let him ride pine on the practice squad if that is an option, ala RG3.
...He's made a mockery of the organization and the team and has flipped the byrd at authority. End this clown show. The punk is a huge distraction and its humiliating...his actions say he wants out. Personally I'd let him ride pine on the practice squad if that is an option, ala RG3.
The Browns were a mockery long before JFF showed up. He just added the circus tent and sold tickets is all. It has to be a business decision and I have confidence that is exactly what it will be.
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.Zombo said:
And??
THAT makes it OK for the starting QB to fly out of town before his teammates get ready to play a rivalry game and skip a treatment meeting?
I haven't been following along here real closely, but ... Your are still not defending this guy are you?
I mean if it's the alcohol, you cut bait but you hope for the best ... if he's just a petulant shithead you hope he never plays in this league again.
We didn't change owners ... we didn't change teammates ... do you think there is anyone left in the organization that trusts this guy?
Zombo
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
We got rid of the GM and head coach, 95% of the people that work for the organization are still here, including the owner, his wife and the guy they just promoted to oversee everything, Sashi Brown.
Johnny shit on them.
He shit on the Cleveland Browns, the city of Cleveland, Browns fans and his teammates.
I don't know need to know what percentage is addiction and what percentage is asshole to know he needs to go.
If Joe Thomas says "obviously some things are more important to him than football, that's a problem" then I am going with the guy who has never missed a snap over nine painful seasons, over the little shithead who two years in a row bailed on the team before the season is over.
And, he's not very good. It's not like this guy plays like Russell Wilson when he is focussed.
If you are curious, and you want some inside details ... that's great ... but we know enough to know can do better at QB.
This guy is in the rear view mirror as we go forward.
Zombo
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.Zombo said:
And??
THAT makes it OK for the starting QB to fly out of town before his teammates get ready to play a rivalry game and skip a treatment meeting?
I haven't been following along here real closely, but ... Your are still not defending this guy are you?
I mean if it's the alcohol, you cut bait but you hope for the best ... if he's just a petulant shithead you hope he never plays in this league again.
We didn't change owners ... we didn't change teammates ... do you think there is anyone left in the organization that trusts this guy?
Zombo
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
Leave the Vegas rumor out of it. The guy for the 2nd year in a row didn't show up when required by the team before the end of the season. That's not a leader...that's not the face of the franchise that I want for my team. He can't be trusted. He does things and the tries to cover it up and lies about it. What other QB's are doing stupid shit like that?
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
Leave the Vegas rumor out of it. The guy for the 2nd year in a row didn't show up when required by the team before the end of the season. That's not a leader...that's not the face of the franchise that I want for my team. He can't be trusted. He does things and the tries to cover it up and lies about it. What other QB's are doing stupid shit like that?
They're called EX QB's.Leave the Vegas rumor out of it. The guy for the 2nd year in a row didn't show up when required by the team before the end of the season. That's not a leader...that's not the face of the franchise that I want for my team. He can't be trusted. He does things and the tries to cover it up and lies about it. What other QB's are doing stupid shit like that?
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There will always be an element that likes his fun personality and "celebrity", but as is the case here, they will mostly be young guys... or old farts in a skirt...
lo-fuckin-l... frisky... dude... you have to be Helen fuckin' Keller at this point to not see...
Well it's important to be popular among the young players. The ones that will come together and gel as a team as time goes by. If, in fact, any staff or bunch of players got more than 18 months together.
As for the old guys collecting a retirement check?
WSS
Well it's important to be popular among the young players.
For the right reasons? Yes...
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Well it's important to be popular among the young players.
For the right reasons? Yes...
For the right reasons? Yes...
Yes.......but, it's more important to be respected than popular as a leader.
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
We got rid of the GM and head coach, 95% of the people that work for the organization are still here, including the owner, his wife and the guy they just promoted to oversee everything, Sashi Brown.
Johnny shit on them.
He shit on the Cleveland Browns, the city of Cleveland, Browns fans and his teammates.
I don't know need to know what percentage is addiction and what percentage is asshole to know he needs to go.
If Joe Thomas says "obviously some things are more important to him than football, that's a problem" then I am going with the guy who has never missed a snap over nine painful seasons, over the little shithead who two years in a row bailed on the team before the season is over.
And, he's not very good. It's not like this guy plays like Russell Wilson when he is focussed.
If you are curious, and you want some inside details ... that's great ... but we know enough to know can do better at QB.
This guy is in the rear view mirror as we go forward.
Zombo
Zombo said:
We got rid of the GM and head coach, 95% of the people that work for the organization are still here, including the owner, his wife and the guy they just promoted to oversee everything, Sashi Brown.
Johnny shit on them.
He shit on the Cleveland Browns, the city of Cleveland, Browns fans and his teammates.
I don't know need to know what percentage is addiction and what percentage is asshole to know he needs to go.
If Joe Thomas says "obviously some things are more important to him than football, that's a problem" then I am going with the guy who has never missed a snap over nine painful seasons, over the little shithead who two years in a row bailed on the team before the season is over.
And, he's not very good. It's not like this guy plays like Russell Wilson when he is focussed.
If you are curious, and you want some inside details ... that's great ... but we know enough to know can do better at QB.
This guy is in the rear view mirror as we go forward.
Zombo
If we are curious and want to know the difference....that is what TMZ is for.....to get to the bottom of things about people that are fodder for their programs.
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
Leave the Vegas rumor out of it. The guy for the 2nd year in a row didn't show up when required by the team before the end of the season. That's not a leader...that's not the face of the franchise that I want for my team. He can't be trusted. He does things and the tries to cover it up and lies about it. What other QB's are doing stupid shit like that?
Leave the Vegas rumor out of it. The guy for the 2nd year in a row didn't show up when required by the team before the end of the season. That's not a leader...that's not the face of the franchise that I want for my team. He can't be trusted. He does things and the tries to cover it up and lies about it. What other QB's are doing stupid shit like that?
Who knows? We don't nor have we ever cared about other teams quarterbacks or players who have had troubled relationships with the team.
What I am saying is if he can play you do what you can to make that happen.
WSS
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Ryan Leaf, one of the league's whipping boys, started 25 games over 4 years.
WSS
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Ryan Leaf, one of the league's whipping boys, started 25 games over 4 years.
WSS
Ryan Leaf, one of the league's whipping boys, started 25 games over 4 years.
WSS
Not the greatest example because he only played 18 games over 2 years for the team that drafted him. Then they cut him. And one year he was out injured. And the 4th year was as a bench warmer with the Cowboys of all teams. And he was the #2 pick overall which should buy him a lot more credibility than Johnny does at the 23rd pick. So, if your saying JM should get the same chance that Leaf got and Leaf got cut after 18 games over 2 years, why cant the same happen to Johnny M?
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