Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Should? What I'm saying is that pulling the ripcord after this small amount of experience is probably jumping the gun. These guys are letting their emotions take over. And Ryan Leaf was a lot worse off the field then Johnny.
If you guys are confident that he will never ever play another decent game in the NFL then...
But truth be told I think a lot of the haters are worried he will eventually take Dallas to the playoffs and the Browns once again look like fools.
I personally think he'd do well with the Dallas team. How about you? Just from a gameplay and talent aspect?
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He's a continual distraction and one that needs to go away. I'd much prefer to not having the Browns in the news because we're boring than being the talk of the league because of fucking Retarded midget QB.
if they draft Goff and Johnny is no longer viewed as the Browns future starter and is buried on the depth chart then Johnny becomes the joke.
they don't have to cut him to cut their losses, they just have to take the power back. he's not bigger than the organization. time to give him a reality check and humble his ass. if he's a third stringer and acts up he becomes the punchline not the Browns. show we don't care and he gets all the fallout and bad press instead of the team.
you gotta play the game. cutting him or trading him benefits him. there is better revenge to wishing him hurt. hoping to put him on IR isn't realistic.
patience folks, just give it a little time and he'll either violate the substance abuse policy or get suspended on his own. saves money, saves roster spot, saves face, and best of all saves the last laugh for us.
one thing 19 years in food taught me: when shit goes south unexpectedly, it simply creates a new opportunity.
they don't have to cut him to cut their losses, they just have to take the power back. he's not bigger than the organization. time to give him a reality check and humble his ass.
Didn't Pet try that? Something about a Bye-Week?
Are there still cells under the DawgPound? Could move practices downtown and in between them...
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looks like Johnny might have an alibi
It's being reported he got an expired tags ticket in Cleveland, down the road from the Browns facility...on the day he was "allegedly" in Vegas. Plot thickens.
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looks like Johnny might have an alibi
It's being reported he got an expired tags ticket in Cleveland, down the road from the Browns facility...on the day he was "allegedly" in Vegas. Plot thickens.
It's being reported he got an expired tags ticket in Cleveland, down the road from the Browns facility...on the day he was "allegedly" in Vegas. Plot thickens.
The ticket was early in the morning. A trip on a private jet would easily have him in Vegas later that day.
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What difference does it make ? Whatever he was doing, he wasn't on the field to support his teammates or for treatment of his alleged concussion. He bailed out at the end of a second season wanting NO part of the hungry steelers team. Doesn't matter where else he was.
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It's being reported he got an expired tags ticket in Cleveland, down the road from the Browns facility...on the day he was "allegedly" in Vegas. Plot thickens.
The ticket was early in the morning. A trip on a private jet would easily have him in Vegas later that day.
The ticket was early in the morning. A trip on a private jet would easily have him in Vegas later that day.
true, but like I said...plot thickens. What if he deliberately got infront of a cop and slowed down so the cop could get an eyeball of his expired tags? I mean this could be one level above next level stuff right here. So that's like two levels right? Johnny 2level?
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looks like Johnny might have an alibi
It's being reported he got an expired tags ticket in Cleveland, down the road from the Browns facility...on the day he was "allegedly" in Vegas. Plot thickens.
It's being reported he got an expired tags ticket in Cleveland, down the road from the Browns facility...on the day he was "allegedly" in Vegas. Plot thickens.
atta boy!!
goodbye Billy Vega hello Slick Willy Zee!!
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But even still doesn't anybody wonder why Johnny would spend the time and effort to learn the system and make the great strides that he did? Something between that and the apparent purposeful insubordination must have happened.
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But even still doesn't anybody wonder why Johnny would spend the time and effort to learn the system and make the great strides that he did? Something between that and the apparent purposeful insubordination must have happened.
Again... the "great strides" you speak of were that he learned the playbook and could make playcalls within the allotted time... most of the time. In other words in his second year he achieved a rookie's competence level. But for half the season, and the 2nd year in a row, he could not wrest the starting job from a journeyman QB.
Then finally he was named the starter. Finally his HC declared that the difference between JM and the journeyman was small enough that we could afford to see what it was JM has.
Want a change identified?
He was named the starter...
He was handed the keys...
There's a change we know occurred. And we know what happened from there.
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bwaahahahahaha, but tbh I would feel cheated out of Billy vegas manziel if the story isn't true.
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Yes.......but, it's more important to be respected than popular as a leader.
Absolutely... great point... wish I had made it.
Would love to see video of Browns players who say they "like" JM, asked if they respect him in a follow up.
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And I will preface this as we should preface every discussion: if the reports can be believed...
First of all the journeyman was playing the best football of his life unfortunately that didn't show up in the win loss column.
Second, see the disclaimer, Mike Pettine leans heavily toward experience. Always choosing veterans over rookies or newcomers.
Third, that was the second PlayBook to learn. And he never played with the first one since they threw in a new offense for Cincinnati.
Fourth we know what happened. You and I differ on the value of experience vs discipline. Which I'm guessing will remain a sticking point.
Finally I believe rookies improve with playing time
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He just beat the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't he?
WSS
So?....He won a game....who cares....?...he's a jerk....just like your boy Johnny
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.Zombo said:
And??
THAT makes it OK for the starting QB to fly out of town before his teammates get ready to play a rivalry game and skip a treatment meeting?
I haven't been following along here real closely, but ... Your are still not defending this guy are you?
I mean if it's the alcohol, you cut bait but you hope for the best ... if he's just a petulant shithead you hope he never plays in this league again.
We didn't change owners ... we didn't change teammates ... do you think there is anyone left in the organization that trusts this guy?
Zombo
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
the little misfit missed a team meeting moron. who gives a fuck one way or the other what the reason was.
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What difference does it make ? Whatever he was doing, he wasn't on the field to support his teammates or for treatment of his alleged concussion. He bailed out at the end of a second season wanting NO part of the hungry steelers team. Doesn't matter where else he was.
What difference does it make ? Whatever he was doing, he wasn't on the field to support his teammates or for treatment of his alleged concussion. He bailed out at the end of a second season wanting NO part of the hungry steelers team. Doesn't matter where else he was.
concussion protocol forbid him from being on the field anyway, so it's really that huge a deal he missed a follow-up medical appt? not physical therapy or typical rehabbing, more like a screening. at year's end, season over, Coach and GM fired, NFL'S protocols not the team's, an irrelevant miss to the game vs the Steelers. was him clapping and cheering from the locker room gonna make the Browns win?
ever had a concussion? i've had several--they suck. there's nothing they can do for you, only time heals. just him flying was punishment in and of itself.
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
the little misfit missed a team meeting moron. who gives a fuck one way or the other what the reason was.
the little misfit missed a team meeting moron. who gives a fuck one way or the other what the reason was.
and where the fuck do you see any improvement with is guy...he still throws across his body to recievers and still throws mostly offbalance...you dude fit right in with the jackass gm they just fired....
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A and? Like anybody should I'd like to know exactly what's going on. Wouldn't you? All we get is bullshit from Tony Grossi or Mary Kay Cabot or somebody's fucking twitter feed.
My bottom line is if the kid can play at the NFL level and wants to do so here it's good for the Cleveland Browns and I would like to see that facilitated if possible.
If he can't or he doesn't want to then do what we need to do.
B. Yes we did we change coaches and front office. You say we didn't change teammates? Well wait and see there.
C and it doesn't matter at all to you if it's actually alcohol or petulance? Come on dude. I know drugs, I know alcoholics, & I know assholes and I know guys that are a combination of the three. The levels matter.
I'm just curious as to what the inside story is. I don't think that's a ridiculous thing to wonder about.
And this isn't exactly a blue ribbon panel here, is a bunch of Browns fans. The most knowledgeable guy on the board probably knows less about the situation then the guy at the team commissary that orders the cream in the coaches coffee.
Let alone the guy that fetches it.
But just look at this thread Z Man. Half these guys are more concerned with how to fuck with a player they don't like then how to benefit the team.
WSS
the little misfit missed a team meeting moron. who gives a fuck one way or the other what the reason was.
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btw, what kind of ngr rule is it that if you have a concussion you can't stand on the sideline in your plain clothes? what possible sense can that make? are they worried about an errant pass smacking a player in the dome as he chats up his teammates?
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you can blow your knee out like Jayln Smith but still hobble out on crutches to root for your teammates, but you get a little bell rung and don't let us see your ass on the sideline?
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Ryan Leaf, one of the league's whipping boys, started 25 games over 4 years.
WSS
Not the greatest example because he only played 18 games over 2 years for the team that drafted him. Then they cut him. And one year he was out injured. And the 4th year was as a bench warmer with the Cowboys of all teams. And he was the #2 pick overall which should buy him a lot more credibility than Johnny does at the 23rd pick. So, if your saying JM should get the same chance that Leaf got and Leaf got cut after 18 games over 2 years, why cant the same happen to Johnny M?
So, if your saying JM should get the same chance that Leaf got and Leaf got cut after 18 games over 2 years, why cant the same happen to Johnny M?
Fair point....
And Ryan Leaf was a lot worse off the field then Johnny.
I personally think he'd do well with the Dallas team.
Or...maybe he'll do as well in Dallas as Leaf did?...possible?
And Leaf wasnt a lot worse off the field.....no way.....but he had a lot of similarities to Johnny...as in year one when he was reprimanded for not learning the playbook....or how he flew to Las Vegas and partied all night(day before he was introduced) and then showed up to his press conference hungover and disinterested.....or how he missed team and league meetings, blamed teammates and coaches for his failures(Johnny doesnt, but his fans do), and overall, developed a reputation for not working hard or being committed to the team......THAT is what his problems were........
Coincidentally, he also lied to his coach about an injury.....got out of practice,,,,and then went golfing(sound almost familiar??)
He later spiraled out of control and ended up in Jail, but that was many years after being out of the league
My favorite comparison.....which I made over a year ago.....is Todd Marinovich. And Johnny is exactly in step with THAT stellar career.....22nd overall pick.....rehab at the end of year 1......relapse mid season of year 2.....erratic play through out....CUT after 2 years and only 8 games(see, not unprecedented, as other teams DO it too).....and, of course, out of the league.....
And, Id point out that the few teams that cut chase early, were usually right.....Leaf and Marinovich were as bad as they seemed.....
Mike Pettine leans heavily toward experience. Always choosing veterans over rookies or newcomers.
Sorry, I dont buy that at all..........Bowe, Johnny and Gilbert did not play.
30 other FA's, newcomers and draft picks did.
I think Coaches just prefer to play the good players and really dont care if they are Vets, rookies or newcomers.
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