Change is coming in Browns offense
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Wel.....I do know from who....but the real point is I don't think the staff really cares what the fans think.
Having a popular figure but losing games isn't going to help them any.
That isn't to say Quinn can't win games...it sort of dovetails with your comment on finding the best qb for what they want.....if they think Stafford or Sanchez is going to be that guy, then expect to see one of them drafted.
Fans don't stay unhappy long, especially if the teams strings a few wins together.
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Very thought provoking article NewDawg, but I have a little differenct take.
1. I believe the QB situation is stable and even if they can't trade Anderson the Browns will bring in a QB like Hoyer to groom as a backup to Quinn.
2. I don't believe RB is their biggest need and even if they don't suppliment the position with another RB this year they will be okay. I don't believe Lewis regressed last year as much as I believe the offensive line did. Also because there was no second option at WR most teams played 8 in the box and dared the Browns to beat them passing. They tried to take the run away and did fairly well at it. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a Donal;d Brown in the second round but I think we need a Alex Mack or Wood before a RB.
3. With or without Edwards, the WR position needs upgraded. Patton will do well in the slot but the team needs a WR opposite Edwards that can stretch the field and keep teams honest. So, even with Edwards, we need to look at drafting a WR. The Stallworth situation is keeping this position up in the air.
4. Forget TE. I believe they have what they need. Two blocking TEs that are good dump off receivers. They also have a work in progress in Rucker.
Unless we aquire more first day picks and because of big needs at OLB and SS on defense, therre isn't enough to completely fix this offense. So, Center and WR are 1 and 2 needs for me, but I sure would love to be able to pick a RB. We have 3 weeks until the draft and much can happen. Trades, FA and trading down with that #5 pick. They could change the priorities of the draft. I would love to some day get to the position of taking the best player available instead of picking for need.
Very thought provoking article NewDawg, but I have a little differenct take.
1. I believe the QB situation is stable and even if they can't trade Anderson the Browns will bring in a QB like Hoyer to groom as a backup to Quinn.
2. I don't believe RB is their biggest need and even if they don't suppliment the position with another RB this year they will be okay. I don't believe Lewis regressed last year as much as I believe the offensive line did. Also because there was no second option at WR most teams played 8 in the box and dared the Browns to beat them passing. They tried to take the run away and did fairly well at it. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a Donal;d Brown in the second round but I think we need a Alex Mack or Wood before a RB.
3. With or without Edwards, the WR position needs upgraded. Patton will do well in the slot but the team needs a WR opposite Edwards that can stretch the field and keep teams honest. So, even with Edwards, we need to look at drafting a WR. The Stallworth situation is keeping this position up in the air.
4. Forget TE. I believe they have what they need. Two blocking TEs that are good dump off receivers. They also have a work in progress in Rucker.
Unless we aquire more first day picks and because of big needs at OLB and SS on defense, therre isn't enough to completely fix this offense. So, Center and WR are 1 and 2 needs for me, but I sure would love to be able to pick a RB. We have 3 weeks until the draft and much can happen. Trades, FA and trading down with that #5 pick. They could change the priorities of the draft. I would love to some day get to the position of taking the best player available instead of picking for need.
That was awesome Y'town!!!! We're defintely going grocery shopping hungry this draft. Unfortunately, I think we only 5 or 6 selections just 1 year after only having 5 selections. Consequently, there isn't a move that would shock me to bring in more picks this year. When you really think about it - what specific player made us better than 4-12 in 2008?
- Tom F.
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Wel.....I do know from who....but the real point is I don't think the staff really cares what the fans think.
Having a popular figure but losing games isn't going to help them any.
That isn't to say Quinn can't win games...it sort of dovetails with your comment on finding the best qb for what they want.....if they think Stafford or Sanchez is going to be that guy, then expect to see one of them drafted.
Fans don't stay unhappy long, especially if the teams strings a few wins together.
Wel.....I do know from who....but the real point is I don't think the staff really cares what the fans think.
Having a popular figure but losing games isn't going to help them any.
That isn't to say Quinn can't win games...it sort of dovetails with your comment on finding the best qb for what they want.....if they think Stafford or Sanchez is going to be that guy, then expect to see one of them drafted.
Fans don't stay unhappy long, especially if the teams strings a few wins together.
I'd agree completely that the staff doesn't care what the fans think, and nor should they. The staff knows more than us
While they certainly will want the best QB for what they want, I just find it highly unlikely they will go looking in this draft, when they have not really seen either of the Browns QBs on the field in practice or games. Not when one QB went to the pro bowl a year ago (not that I buy into that meaning anything) and the other is a highly touted QB who was a 1st round pick and has played 3 games since being drafted. Stranger things have happened, but it just seem like a good decision to jump to that this soon.
Winning cures all.
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Wel.....I do know from who....but the real point is I don't think the staff really cares what the fans think.
Having a popular figure but losing games isn't going to help them any.
That isn't to say Quinn can't win games...it sort of dovetails with your comment on finding the best qb for what they want.....if they think Stafford or Sanchez is going to be that guy, then expect to see one of them drafted.
Fans don't stay unhappy long, especially if the teams strings a few wins together.
I'd agree completely that the staff doesn't care what the fans think, and nor should they. The staff knows more than us
While they certainly will want the best QB for what they want, I just find it highly unlikely they will go looking in this draft, when they have not really seen either of the Browns QBs on the field in practice or games. Not when one QB went to the pro bowl a year ago (not that I buy into that meaning anything) and the other is a highly touted QB who was a 1st round pick and has played 3 games since being drafted. Stranger things have happened, but it just seem like a good decision to jump to that this soon.
Winning cures all.
Masters said:
I'd agree completely that the staff doesn't care what the fans think, and nor should they. The staff knows more than us
While they certainly will want the best QB for what they want, I just find it highly unlikely they will go looking in this draft, when they have not really seen either of the Browns QBs on the field in practice or games. Not when one QB went to the pro bowl a year ago (not that I buy into that meaning anything) and the other is a highly touted QB who was a 1st round pick and has played 3 games since being drafted. Stranger things have happened, but it just seem like a good decision to jump to that this soon.
Winning cures all.
Indeed it does.
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Very thought provoking article NewDawg, but I have a little differenct take.
1. I believe the QB situation is stable and even if they can't trade Anderson the Browns will bring in a QB like Hoyer to groom as a backup to Quinn.
2. I don't believe RB is their biggest need and even if they don't suppliment the position with another RB this year they will be okay. I don't believe Lewis regressed last year as much as I believe the offensive line did. Also because there was no second option at WR most teams played 8 in the box and dared the Browns to beat them passing. They tried to take the run away and did fairly well at it. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a Donal;d Brown in the second round but I think we need a Alex Mack or Wood before a RB.
3. With or without Edwards, the WR position needs upgraded. Patton will do well in the slot but the team needs a WR opposite Edwards that can stretch the field and keep teams honest. So, even with Edwards, we need to look at drafting a WR. The Stallworth situation is keeping this position up in the air.
4. Forget TE. I believe they have what they need. Two blocking TEs that are good dump off receivers. They also have a work in progress in Rucker.
Unless we aquire more first day picks and because of big needs at OLB and SS on defense, therre isn't enough to completely fix this offense. So, Center and WR are 1 and 2 needs for me, but I sure would love to be able to pick a RB. We have 3 weeks until the draft and much can happen. Trades, FA and trading down with that #5 pick. They could change the priorities of the draft. I would love to some day get to the position of taking the best player available instead of picking for need.
That was awesome Y'town!!!! We're defintely going grocery shopping hungry this draft. Unfortunately, I think we only 5 or 6 selections just 1 year after only having 5 selections. Consequently, there isn't a move that would shock me to bring in more picks this year. When you really think about it - what specific player made us better than 4-12 in 2008?
- Tom F.
That was awesome Y'town!!!! We're defintely going grocery shopping hungry this draft. Unfortunately, I think we only 5 or 6 selections just 1 year after only having 5 selections. Consequently, there isn't a move that would shock me to bring in more picks this year. When you really think about it - what specific player made us better than 4-12 in 2008?
- Tom F.
Maybe why the FO has said the only untouchables are Thomas and Jackson. Everybody else is fair game.
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That was awesome Y'town!!!! We're defintely going grocery shopping hungry this draft. Unfortunately, I think we only 5 or 6 selections just 1 year after only having 5 selections. Consequently, there isn't a move that would shock me to bring in more picks this year. When you really think about it - what specific player made us better than 4-12 in 2008?
- Tom F.
Maybe why the FO has said the only untouchables are Thomas and Jackson. Everybody else is fair game.
Maybe why the FO has said the only untouchables are Thomas and Jackson. Everybody else is fair game.
No maybe about it....it is why they said that.
The staff wants to put their brand on this team in a hurry, and they want to do it with rookies through the draft.
Not only are we going to try to secure as many draft picks as possible, expect to see us very active right after the draft, handing out big(for UDFA) bonus money to be sure to scoop up another 4-5 guys right after the draft....and there is a good chance all of those guys will make the team.
Between the drafted players and undrafted players, we might see 10-12 rookies on the squad.
None of the drafted guys will be cut and if we give some undrafted guy 50k to sign with us, he will probably make it too.
If you are drafted or signed by the Browns, it is one happy day in that players household because it means they just made a NFL teams unless they go out there and just don't try.
Guys like Sowells, Steptoe and others have to be pretty discouraged at this point.
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Maybe why the FO has said the only untouchables are Thomas and Jackson. Everybody else is fair game.
No maybe about it....it is why they said that.
The staff wants to put their brand on this team in a hurry, and they want to do it with rookies through the draft.
Not only are we going to try to secure as many draft picks as possible, expect to see us very active right after the draft, handing out big(for UDFA) bonus money to be sure to scoop up another 4-5 guys right after the draft....and there is a good chance all of those guys will make the team.
Between the drafted players and undrafted players, we might see 10-12 rookies on the squad.
None of the drafted guys will be cut and if we give some undrafted guy 50k to sign with us, he will probably make it too.
If you are drafted or signed by the Browns, it is one happy day in that players household because it means they just made a NFL teams unless they go out there and just don't try.
Guys like Sowells, Steptoe and others have to be pretty discouraged at this point.
Guys like Sowells, Steptoe and others have to be pretty discouraged at this point.
I don't know how Sowells could find BETTER opportunities than on the 1 team that didn't believe he was the candy ass scouting reports said he was. They were a little more politically correct than that but you get my point. Our right side was a mess and Sowells is supposed to be a OG or OT. When he's not challenging the Hadnots and Didnots of this league for reps - maybe it's the passion or heart muscle.
Stubbedtoes showed some signs but his appearances seemed to be too sporadic to generate any degree of momentum from the good flashes so we saw some ineviatble inconsistency.
I think our staff did a horrible job with Cribbs in our offense to be honest. We don't need him at RB or running option plays teams are always well prepared for. We need him in open field matchups. For an offense lacking ANY threat at WR in 2008 to coin a phrase "here's your sign." Stick this kid in the slot when teams wanna zone blitz us and make them PAY. We don't pose any threats so we're a pretty fun offense to face; especially when DA is playing Kris Kringle to our rivals.
I AGREE the staff should know more than the fans, which is why we have a new staff today. The last one didn't and placed our offense in quick-sand.
- Tom F.
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is this what obama meant when he preached changed? i thought he meant the country as a whole.
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I don't know how Sowells could find BETTER opportunities
He can't...and I think maybe you missed my point. Several of the guys who were on the team know they don't stand a shot in hell to make the team..all the new guys will make the squad..so someone is going to have to get cut.
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