If we draft Goff

BaconHound

@opal312 said:
Browns should take a pass at both Goff and Lynch. Draft Bosa, Elliot, Wide receivers and Cardale this year. Trade Manziel, Haden, Thomas and get a veteran QB. Or go out and get Kaepernick. They need help at too many positions to risk another crappy QB draft.

No Elliott or Cardale unless both are late 3rd round or later. Keep Thomas, trade Manziel and Haden if possible but probably a cut situation. I'd like Kaepernick but depends on who San Fran hires if he is available.

Tacosman

@bbedward said:

Agree to disagree, but I see it differently.

I haven't been as high on any prospect since Luck, so I think he's absolutely worth top 5.

I have no idea(and let's be real neither do you) whether Goff(or the other guy from memphis for that matter) will be good, but since you're throwing around the word consensus a lot it's also worth pointing out that the top 2 guys in last year's draft had much better grades from the 'experts' than Goff.

He will be drafted high in the first round(maybe by us, maybe not), but as far as potential top 5 draft picks at qb go over the last decade he's nowhere close to being near the top of the heap coming out of college.

BaconHound

And to throw a wrench in the mix Goff will get $25 million guaranteed at #2. Kirk Cousins could probably be had for $50 million and you have a better idea on what you have.

LBC mike

There is a good qb in the cfl

Opal312

I would take Prescott over Goff but it's close. Goff is a bit thin and needs to gain weight. It figures we'd get a 2 pick in a lousy year for QBs.

Mark O

@baconhound said:
And to throw a wrench in the mix Goff will get $25 million guaranteed at #2. Kirk Cousins could probably be had for $50 million and you have a better idea on what you have.

Washington is not letting Cousins get away.

BaconHound

@mark-o said:

Washington is not letting Cousins get away.

Money dictates a lot. The Browns will have to overpay but they have money to spend.

bbedward

How many times are Browns fans going to be enamored with cousins?

He had a great year - and if Washington got rid of him then what? I don't think you just let the QB who took you to the playoffs walk when there's no alternative.

Cousins is kinda iffy to me still, but Washington is not going to let him walk.

TexasAg1969

@flugel said:

Well done! That said, it was tough to ignore a TD to INT ratio of 43 to 13 at a comp % of 64.5.

How about these stats? 300 out of 429 for a 69.9% comp. for 4,114 yds 37 tds and 13 ints

I'd take that one over Goff any day.

Mark O

@baconhound said:

Money dictates a lot. The Browns will have to overpay but they have money to spend.

In some cases it doesn't dictate anything. If they can't get an extension, they can just franchise tag him and he stays in Washington.

BaconHound

@mark-o said:

In some cases it doesn't dictate anything. If they can't get an extension, they can just franchise tag him and he stays in Washington.

True but isn't that around $25 million guaranteed next year for a franchised QB?

Mark O

@baconhound said:

True but isn't that around $25 million guaranteed next year for a franchised QB?

No clue...but without any other options on the team at QB and the season that he just had, I bet they hang on to him. May prove to be a mistake....he could be great or he could be Scott Mitchell.

BaconHound

@mark-o said:

No clue...but without any other options on the team at QB and the season that he just had, I bet they hang on to him. May prove to be a mistake....he could be great or he could be Scott Mitchell.

True QBs are a rare commodity. Phins gave Tannehil $45 guaranteed last year and that was probably a mistake.

bbedward

@texasag1969 said:

How about these stats? 300 out of 429 for a 69.9% comp. for 4,114 yds 37 tds and 13 ints

I'd take that one over Goff any day.

This is why we look at more than stats

beare

They HAVE TO get a qb nobody on the roster is the answer !!!

Canton Mike

@opal312 said:
I would take Prescott over Goff but it's close. Goff is a bit thin and needs to gain weight. It figures we'd get a 2 pick in a lousy year for QBs.

Prescott? The next Taj Boyd, CFL?

No thanks. I'll stick with Goff, NFL.

Mike

Westside Steve

VesnaKociper said:
The Browns need to take Goff AND Paxton Lynch.

Or as they are known in the parallel universe, Paul McDonald and Dan McGuire.

WSS

TexasAg1969

@bbedward said:
This is why we look at more than stats

But we just prompted one stat guy and hired another.

I wonder if they know they would have to find the guy that pulled off those stats his last year in college in Las Vegas riding a swan?

Furious Styles

@texasag1969 said:

But we just prompted one stat guy and hired another.

I wonder if they know they would have to find the guy that pulled off those stats his last year in college in Las Vegas riding a swan?

That guy was more style than substance. Time to develope a more focused and talented young player. You sticking around ?

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@texasag1969 said:

But we just prompted one stat guy and hired another.

I wonder if they know they would have to find the guy that pulled off those stats his last year in college in Las Vegas riding a swan?

I still don't doubt that Manziel can be an effective NFL player. He just can't get his head into the game...and that's what's killing him. His performances range from garbage to above average - and that's while partying and drinking and doing drugs and worrying about hiding his off-the-field antics from the coaches.

Imagine if he were to grow the hell up, study the game and cut all of this bullshit out. He'd be unstoppable - like Russell Wilson unstoppable. But that's never going to happen.

His flaws aren't due to a lack of talent, they are due to poor choices and awful work ethic.