If we draft Goff
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And I mostly agree with that yet allow me to propose one scenario between his last two starts. One of our members regularly watches the game With some of us and agreed that in his penultimate start he was actually sharp and was killed by a multitude of drops. If in fact he actually had a concussion in his final start that might have explained the inaccurate passing.
WSS
He's continuing to get better, his bad games this year were nothing like last year. Once again, imagine how good he could be if he had zero distractions.
The problem is that there's always new talent, and just because he CAN be great doesn't mean that others can't be. He's shown in two years now that he's not going to change his behavior any time soon and, if the reports are true, he doesn't even want to be here.
Personally, I'd rather move on with someone else who also has the potential to be great, rather than sit around and hope Manziel finds stability in his life.
Well there's the kicker. If reports are true. These reports come from the same place they've come for the last 2 years including the weekly report that he was doing great at practice and really had a grasp on the offense in his first year. Which turned out to either be something another player made up and passed on to reporter or made up by the reporter himself. The rest of the shit is stuff from some idiots twitter feed blowing into a story by radio personalities with nothing else to talk about and reported as fact by a bunch of us.He's continuing to get better, his bad games this year were nothing like last year. Once again, imagine how good he could be if he had zero distractions.
The problem is that there's always new talent, and just because he CAN be great doesn't mean that others can't be. He's shown in two years now that he's not going to change his behavior any time soon and, if the reports are true, he doesn't even want to be here.
Personally, I'd rather move on with someone else who also has the potential to be great, rather than sit around and hope Manziel finds stability in his life.
So if I believe those reports, that he wants out, and I was in control, I would get rid of him.
Otherwise I would like to know more about the situation with him and whoever my new coaching staff is going to be.
Or I can just knee jerk and react emotionally.
.My super high draft pick can be spent on Goff, and further neglect other needs of the team which will make Goffs eventual possible success even less likely.
Especially since Goff will be expected to sit on the bench for at least a year due to the imbalance of experience between him and Josh McCown, right?
And face it it's like a 24-month automobile lease in Cleveland at the end of which you switch cars and pay an exorbitant fee for the mileage.
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That guy was more style than substance. Time to develope a more focused and talented young player. You sticking around ?But we just prompted one stat guy and hired another.
I wonder if they know they would have to find the guy that pulled off those stats his last year in college in Las Vegas riding a swan?
That guy was more style than substance. Time to develope a more focused and talented young player. You sticking around ?
Of course I am. I'm one of the few who showed up when JM came here and has stuck through it all. And as I have said before, there is still about a 10% chance he wakes up and becomes the player we have seen flashes of in games when he is totally focused and competitive. I just hope that happens before he goes elsewhere despite all the justifiably angry feelings Browns fans have for him with his ridiculous antics. I really don't like Dallas so if he awakens I want it to be with the more deserving fans. If it doesn't happen here and he either busts out or goes elsewhere, I'll still be a Browns fan. This is an enjoyable, knowledgeable website to spend time on if you are a real football fan. And only one pro player has ever captured my attention like Jim Brown and that was Bo Jackson. We never got to see the long term career I thought might just match JB's.
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NO QB!!! Fix the worst defense in the league. FIX IT!!!!
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But that requires picking a scheme and staying with it for 5+ years. So yeah nm, take a punter with the 1st pick fuck who knows right?
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Well there's the kicker. If reports are true. These reports come from the same place they've come for the last 2 years including the weekly report that he was doing great at practice and really had a grasp on the offense in his first year. Which turned out to either be something another player made up and passed on to reporter or made up by the reporter himself. The rest of the shit is stuff from some idiots twitter feed blowing into a story by radio personalities with nothing else to talk about and reported as fact by a bunch of us.He's continuing to get better, his bad games this year were nothing like last year. Once again, imagine how good he could be if he had zero distractions.
The problem is that there's always new talent, and just because he CAN be great doesn't mean that others can't be. He's shown in two years now that he's not going to change his behavior any time soon and, if the reports are true, he doesn't even want to be here.
Personally, I'd rather move on with someone else who also has the potential to be great, rather than sit around and hope Manziel finds stability in his life.
So if I believe those reports, that he wants out, and I was in control, I would get rid of him.
Otherwise I would like to know more about the situation with him and whoever my new coaching staff is going to be.
Or I can just knee jerk and react emotionally.
.My super high draft pick can be spent on Goff, and further neglect other needs of the team which will make Goffs eventual possible success even less likely.
Especially since Goff will be expected to sit on the bench for at least a year due to the imbalance of experience between him and Josh McCown, right?
And face it it's like a 24-month automobile lease in Cleveland at the end of which you switch cars and pay an exorbitant fee for the mileage.
WSS
Well there's the kicker. If reports are true. These reports come from the same place they've come for the last 2 years including the weekly report that he was doing great at practice and really had a grasp on the offense in his first year. Which turned out to either be something another player made up and passed on to reporter or made up by the reporter himself. The rest of the shit is stuff from some idiots twitter feed blowing into a story by radio personalities with nothing else to talk about and reported as fact by a bunch of us.
So if I believe those reports, that he wants out, and I was in control, I would get rid of him.
Otherwise I would like to know more about the situation with him and whoever my new coaching staff is going to be.
Or I can just need jerk and react emotionally.
.My super high draft pick can be spent on Goff, and further neglect other needs of the team which will make Goffsure eventual possible success even less likely.
Especially since Goff will be expected to sit on the bench for at least a year due to the imbalance of experience between him and Josh McCown, right?
And face it it's like a 24-month automobile lease in Cleveland at the end of which you switch cars and pay an exorbitant fee for the mileage.
WSS
Sure, you can have a knee-jerk emotional reaction. You can also be too paralyzed by fear (or too infatuated with potential) to make a change that probably needs to be made.
The fact is that he hasn't tried to deny the Vegas report once. He's already been to rehab, he's since had a domestic dispute, he's since had a video surface of him drinking at a nightclub (which he then tried to hide), he's already been dropped by one marketing agency, and he's already had our future HOF LT question his motives and maturity.
On their own, some of them are minor issues. Together, they are a whirlwind of immaturity.
Johnny Manziel isn't the last great hope for a franchise QB. Cutting ties with him doesn't mean we don't get another one. If he goes somewhere else and finds success, that's great.
But sticking with him just because he's looked decent this year and hoping that he gets his head out of his ass is an absolutely terrible way to start another rebuilding process.
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NO QB!!! Fix the worst defense in the league. FIX IT!!!!
NO QB!!! Fix the worst defense in the league. FIX IT!!!!
Because we didn't spend enough time or money on it last year. We just need to invest first rounders across the board - only then will we be good. Right?
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I have a great imagination.... and, no...
What realistically makes you say that, from a talent standpoint?
His flaws insofar have been those of mental weakness, not physical. Missing open receivers is common in rookies and representative of not having a full grasp of the playbook.
All reports thus far have been that he's a great teammate in the facility and has extremely high football intelligence, so it doesn't seem likely that he can't understand concepts. It's much more likely that he's just not putting any real effort into football once he's outside the facilities.
What realistically makes you say that, from a talent standpoint?
His flaws insofar have been those of mental weakness, not physical. Missing open receivers is common in rookies and representative of not having a full grasp of the playbook.
All reports thus far have been that he's a great teammate in the facility and has extremely high football intelligence, so it doesn't seem likely that he can't understand concepts. It's much more likely that he's just not putting any real effort into football once he's outside the facilities.
Sorry, TC... no disrespect, but I'm not going to spend time discussing JM any longer.
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What realistically makes you say that, from a talent standpoint?
His flaws insofar have been those of mental weakness, not physical. Missing open receivers is common in rookies and representative of not having a full grasp of the playbook.
All reports thus far have been that he's a great teammate in the facility and has extremely high football intelligence, so it doesn't seem likely that he can't understand concepts. It's much more likely that he's just not putting any real effort into football once he's outside the facilities.
Sorry, TC... no disrespect, but I'm not going to spend time discussing JM any longer.
Sorry, TC... no disrespect, but I'm not going to spend time discussing JM any longer.
That's fine with me, I'd rather not either.
There's too much ill will around here for anyone to have a completely objective view either way.
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That's fine with me, I'd rather not either.
There's too much ill will around here for anyone to have a completely objective view either way.
I can evaluate JM entirely objectively and can say that he regularly makes the wrong read, struggles to get past the first or second progression, throws from his back foot in a clean pocket and has terrible footwork in general, leaves the pocket incorrectly consistently.
It's so frustrating watching this asshole turn around and run 15 yards to the left and throw on the move across his body to the middle of the field - when he had a wide open guy and a clean pocket if he would have just seen it, stepped up, and made the damn throw.
But it isn't worth debating since he won't be a Brown next year.
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Hey Tim, you could be right. I'm just stating what I would do if I own the team.
Odds are that the Fresh Start gang is going to come out on top. 2 years from now if we are talking about next week's playoff game and how our new guy, Goff, will do then great.
If, on the other hand, we're blathering about which one of Mel Kiper's butt boys to select as opposed to mortgaging the farm to get a journeyman like Kirk Cousins, what exactly will have been the difference?
For all you recent convert to analytics ask yourself how often the complete reset has worked for us?
(get out your slide rules and... Start!)
WSS
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That's fine with me, I'd rather not either.
There's too much ill will around here for anyone to have a completely objective view either way.
I can evaluate JM entirely objectively and can say that he regularly makes the wrong read, struggles to get past the first or second progression, throws from his back foot in a clean pocket and has terrible footwork in general, leaves the pocket incorrectly consistently.
It's so frustrating watching this asshole turn around and run 15 yards to the left and throw on the move across his body to the middle of the field - when he had a wide open guy and a clean pocket if he would have just seen it, stepped up, and made the damn throw.
But it isn't worth debating since he won't be a Brown next year.
I can evaluate JM entirely objectively and can say that he regularly makes the wrong read, struggles to get past the first or second progression, throws from his back foot in a clean pocket and has terrible footwork in general, leaves the pocket incorrectly consistently.
It's so frustrating watching this asshole turn around and run 15 yards to the left and throw on the move across his body to the middle of the field - when he had a wide open guy and a clean pocket if he would have just seen it, stepped up, and made the damn throw.
But it isn't worth debating since he won't be a Brown next year.
Can I just copy off of your paper?
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Hey Tim, you could be right. I'm just stating what I would do if I own the team.
Odds are that the Fresh Start gang is going to come out on top. 2 years from now if we are talking about next week's playoff game and how our new guy, Goff, will do then great.
If, on the other hand, we're blathering about which one of Mel Kiper's butt boys to select as opposed to mortgaging the farm to get a journeyman like Kirk Cousins, what exactly will have been the difference?
For all you recent convert to analytics ask yourself how often the complete reset has worked for us?
(get out your slide rules and... Start!)
WSS
Hey Tim, you could be right. I'm just stating what I would do if I own the team.
Odds are that the Fresh Start gang is going to come out on top. 2 years from now if we are talking about next week's playoff game and how our new guy, Goff, will do then great.
If, on the other hand, we're blathering about which one of Mel Kiper's butt boys to select as opposed to mortgaging the farm to get a journeyman like Kirk Cousins, what exactly will have been the difference?
For all you recent convert to analytics ask yourself how often the complete reset has worked for us?
(get out your slide rules and... Start!)
WSS
By that same reasoning, you can ask yourself any number of questions.
How many times has taking a non-consensus top ranked QB worked for us?
How many times has a QB with off-field concerns worked out in the NFL?
How many times have sub 6'-1" QB's worked out in the NFL?
There's any number of leading questions you can ask behind the guise of analytics. Each question will point to a different strategy.
The trick of it is throwing out the meaningless or inconclusive data and developing a strategy around the metrics that have a high causal relationship with success. What those metrics are? I have a few inklings, but I'm sure we're just scratching the surface.
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Hey Tim, you could be right. I'm just stating what I would do if I own the team.
Odds are that the Fresh Start gang is going to come out on top. 2 years from now if we are talking about next week's playoff game and how our new guy, Goff, will do then great.
If, on the other hand, we're blathering about which one of Mel Kiper's butt boys to select as opposed to mortgaging the farm to get a journeyman like Kirk Cousins, what exactly will have been the difference?
For all you recent convert to analytics ask yourself how often the complete reset has worked for us?
(get out your slide rules and... Start!)
WSS
....a journeyman like Kirk Cousins
I don't want Cousins here, especially since it would cost us more than he's worth - but he doesn't fit the definition of "journeyman" (yet)
Our long-term guy isn't on the roster. The best place to find the long-term guy is in the draft.
By all accounts if Goff is worth a #2 pick (he is), you take him there. The Browns haven't done this in a long time - the idea is nice that we can wait for our usual reject to develop or sign a young FA reject. But you have a top prospect, you take him. The idea would be you probably don't want to plan on tanking 2 years later to get another pick for the next top prospect.
You take him when you have the chance, like we do.
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Hey Tim, you could be right. I'm just stating what I would do if I own the team.
Odds are that the Fresh Start gang is going to come out on top. 2 years from now if we are talking about next week's playoff game and how our new guy, Goff, will do then great.
If, on the other hand, we're blathering about which one of Mel Kiper's butt boys to select as opposed to mortgaging the farm to get a journeyman like Kirk Cousins, what exactly will have been the difference?
For all you recent convert to analytics ask yourself how often the complete reset has worked for us?
(get out your slide rules and... Start!)
WSS
By that same reasoning, you can ask yourself any number of questions.
How many times has taking a non-consensus top ranked QB worked for us?
How many times has a QB with off-field concerns worked out in the NFL?
How many times have sub 6'-1" QB's worked out in the NFL?
There's any number of leading questions you can ask behind the guise of analytics. Each question will point to a different strategy.
The trick of it is throwing out the meaningless or inconclusive data and developing a strategy around the metrics that have a high causal relationship with success. What those metrics are? I have a few inklings, but I'm sure we're just scratching the surface.
How many times has taking a non-consensus top ranked QB worked for us?
That's interesting... Wondering how many times we have ever taken the consensus, top-ranked QB?
Couch? Phipps? That just may be the list...
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NO QB!!! Fix the worst defense in the league. FIX IT!!!!
Because we didn't spend enough time or money on it last year. We just need to invest first rounders across the board - only then will we be good. Right?
Because we didn't spend enough time or money on it last year. We just need to invest first rounders across the board - only then will we be good. Right?
so we should keep it all as is? Was our offensive production last year nearly as big of a problem as the defense? Of course i'm not suggesting that the defense doesn't need firesaled, if that's what you think. It does. It needs a do over. Which is why we need to draft young talent instead of bringing in over the hill expensive FA's that come here for their last big check. Can't believe anybody's in the mood to pass on almost sure thing defensive talent on the level of Mack or better.
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That's fine with me, I'd rather not either.
There's too much ill will around here for anyone to have a completely objective view either way.
I can evaluate JM entirely objectively and can say that he regularly makes the wrong read, struggles to get past the first or second progression, throws from his back foot in a clean pocket and has terrible footwork in general, leaves the pocket incorrectly consistently.
It's so frustrating watching this asshole turn around and run 15 yards to the left and throw on the move across his body to the middle of the field - when he had a wide open guy and a clean pocket if he would have just seen it, stepped up, and made the damn throw.
But it isn't worth debating since he won't be a Brown next year.
I can evaluate JM entirely objectively and can say that he regularly makes the wrong read, struggles to get past the first or second progression, throws from his back foot in a clean pocket and has terrible footwork in general, leaves the pocket incorrectly consistently.
It's so frustrating watching this asshole turn around and run 15 yards to the left and throw on the move across his body to the middle of the field - when he had a wide open guy and a clean pocket if he would have just seen it, stepped up, and made the damn throw.
But it isn't worth debating since he won't be a Brown next year.
I completely agree. And all of those are aspects that can, conceivably, be fixed...which is my point. Not one single thing you pointed out is a physical flaw - all can be overcome by a true "student of the game."
Had Manziel not been a completely immature asshole basket-case, he could have become a great NFL QB. But his failures are solely on his poor work ethic and his stubborn reliance on his own improvisation to overcome. Learning the playbook, buying into the offensive system, trusting the progression, studying the reads, and "plus" practice repetitions would have likely eliminated most of those issues. Instead, he learned just enough to get by, watched enough film to understand the larger concepts and then threw it all in the trash whenever he left the facility.
In five years, for another franchise, after he hits rock bottom and climbs his way back up...maybe he could be something. But I don't want to wait and see, nor do I think anyone in their right mind should.
The point is that he had all of the potential in the world and anyone who is objective in their analysis can at least admit it. Similarly, he solely fucked himself over and is entirely too immature to be a welcome asset and anyone objective in their analysis can also admit that.
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Because we didn't spend enough time or money on it last year. We just need to invest first rounders across the board - only then will we be good. Right?
so we should keep it all as is? Was our offensive production last year nearly as big of a problem as the defense? Of course i'm not suggesting that the defense doesn't need firesaled, if that's what you think. It does. It needs a do over. Which is why we need to draft young talent instead of bringing in over the hill expensive FA's that come here for their last big check. Can't believe anybody's in the mood to pass on almost sure thing defensive talent on the level of Mack or better.
so we should keep it all as is? Was our offensive production last year nearly as big of a problem as the defense? Of course i'm not suggesting that the defense doesn't need firesaled, if that's what you think. It does. It needs a do over. Which is why we need to draft young talent instead of bringing in over the hill expensive FA's that come here for their last big check. Can't believe anybody's in the mood to pass on almost sure thing defensive talent on the level of Mack or better.
I'm not in that mood. I'm still firmly on board with the Bosa + Wentz draft.
Investing in high draft picks doesn't guarantee success, just as investing in big name FA's doesn't guarantee success. Further, conducting a firesale and adding multiple new people doesn't guarantee success.
I'm advocating smart acquisitions that make sense, not blanket defensive acquisitions just because we sucked last year.
As I said, I'm still on board with the Bosa + Wentz draft, but that is contingent upon being able to at least add Wentz. Strong QB play is much more important than strong DE play. A great DE can only do so much when the QB is garbage.
Ask JJ Watt.
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Hey Tim, you could be right. I'm just stating what I would do if I own the team.
Odds are that the Fresh Start gang is going to come out on top. 2 years from now if we are talking about next week's playoff game and how our new guy, Goff, will do then great.
If, on the other hand, we're blathering about which one of Mel Kiper's butt boys to select as opposed to mortgaging the farm to get a journeyman like Kirk Cousins, what exactly will have been the difference?
For all you recent convert to analytics ask yourself how often the complete reset has worked for us?
(get out your slide rules and... Start!)
WSS
By that same reasoning, you can ask yourself any number of questions.
How many times has taking a non-consensus top ranked QB worked for us?
How many times has a QB with off-field concerns worked out in the NFL?
How many times have sub 6'-1" QB's worked out in the NFL?
There's any number of leading questions you can ask behind the guise of analytics. Each question will point to a different strategy.
The trick of it is throwing out the meaningless or inconclusive data and developing a strategy around the metrics that have a high causal relationship with success. What those metrics are? I have a few inklings, but I'm sure we're just scratching the surface.
WSSBy that same reasoning, you can ask yourself any number of questions.
How many times has taking a non-consensus top ranked QB worked for us?
βuh, never yet? And what's the difference if we can them with the entire staff every 18 months. And are we thinking that Goff is a consensus number one pic in the tradition of other number one picks? Or just a pretty good player in a shity match of quarterbacks ? β
How many times has a QB with off-field concerns worked out in the NFL?
β Joe Namath, Kenny Stabler, Ben Roethlisberger, Jim McMahon, Brett Favre, not sure how many other ones just because with Johnny it's the first time that partying has been national news. Other guys with off field problems are a lot worse than Johnny if I recall correctlyβ
How many times have sub 6'-1" QB's worked out in the NFL?
β just in the last week there have been guys here lined up to blow Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. How many 6 foot 2 and over quarterbacks have failed?β
There's any number of leading questions you can ask behind the guise of analytics. Each question will point to a different strategy.
β yes indeed there are β
The trick of it is throwing out the meaningless or inconclusive data and developing a strategy around the metrics that have a high causal relationship with success. What those metrics are? I have a few inklings, but I'm sure we're just scratching the surface.
β hey like I've been saying, that could be. I don't know that any other team has gone all in with analytics or not. I guess in 10 years when we are celebrating our tenth Super Bowl victory under coach Stephen Hawking, we will know we backed the right horse!
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I can evaluate JM entirely objectively and can say that he regularly makes the wrong read, struggles to get past the first or second progression, throws from his back foot in a clean pocket and has terrible footwork in general, leaves the pocket incorrectly consistently.
It's so frustrating watching this asshole turn around and run 15 yards to the left and throw on the move across his body to the middle of the field - when he had a wide open guy and a clean pocket if he would have just seen it, stepped up, and made the damn throw.
But it isn't worth debating since he won't be a Brown next year.
I completely agree. And all of those are aspects that can, conceivably, be fixed...which is my point. Not one single thing you pointed out is a physical flaw - all can be overcome by a true "student of the game."
Had Manziel not been a completely immature asshole basket-case, he could have become a great NFL QB. But his failures are solely on his poor work ethic and his stubborn reliance on his own improvisation to overcome. Learning the playbook, buying into the offensive system, trusting the progression, studying the reads, and "plus" practice repetitions would have likely eliminated most of those issues. Instead, he learned just enough to get by, watched enough film to understand the larger concepts and then threw it all in the trash whenever he left the facility.
In five years, for another franchise, after he hits rock bottom and climbs his way back up...maybe he could be something. But I don't want to wait and see, nor do I think anyone in their right mind should.
The point is that he had all of the potential in the world and anyone who is objective in their analysis can at least admit it. Similarly, he solely fucked himself over and is entirely too immature to be a welcome asset and anyone objective in their analysis can also admit that.
I completely agree. And all of those are aspects that can, conceivably, be fixed...which is my point. Not one single thing you pointed out is a physical flaw - all can be overcome by a true "student of the game."
Since you are... I will... a little...
Mechanics can be corrected... I agree. Even the tendency to revert to poor form under pressure can, given enough time and repetition, be eliminated.
However, finding and flipping the switch that allows reads, recognitions, and progressions to come together to produce consistent decision making regardless of the moment's pressure??? That is a whole different level of effort. And it is an effort that is atop the physical.
Developing both of the above against the tide of reinforcement perpetuated by the Heisman-fueled, fame machine that is JFF? Impossible...
Too many years of too much success ingraining the JFF playground way too deeply to be rooted out. You just can't generate an IF big enough to do that... even as a supposition.
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I can evaluate JM entirely objectively and can say that he regularly makes the wrong read, struggles to get past the first or second progression, throws from his back foot in a clean pocket and has terrible footwork in general, leaves the pocket incorrectly consistently.
It's so frustrating watching this asshole turn around and run 15 yards to the left and throw on the move across his body to the middle of the field - when he had a wide open guy and a clean pocket if he would have just seen it, stepped up, and made the damn throw.
But it isn't worth debating since he won't be a Brown next year.
I completely agree. And all of those are aspects that can, conceivably, be fixed...which is my point. Not one single thing you pointed out is a physical flaw - all can be overcome by a true "student of the game."
Had Manziel not been a completely immature asshole basket-case, he could have become a great NFL QB. But his failures are solely on his poor work ethic and his stubborn reliance on his own improvisation to overcome. Learning the playbook, buying into the offensive system, trusting the progression, studying the reads, and "plus" practice repetitions would have likely eliminated most of those issues. Instead, he learned just enough to get by, watched enough film to understand the larger concepts and then threw it all in the trash whenever he left the facility.
In five years, for another franchise, after he hits rock bottom and climbs his way back up...maybe he could be something. But I don't want to wait and see, nor do I think anyone in their right mind should.
The point is that he had all of the potential in the world and anyone who is objective in their analysis can at least admit it. Similarly, he solely fucked himself over and is entirely too immature to be a welcome asset and anyone objective in their analysis can also admit that.
I completely agree. And all of those are aspects that can, conceivably, be fixed...which is my point. Not one single thing you pointed out is a physical flaw - all can be overcome by a true "student of the game."
Had Manziel not been a completely immature asshole basket-case, he could have become a great NFL QB. But his failures are solely on his poor work ethic and his stubborn reliance on his own improvisation to overcome. Learning the playbook, buying into the offensive system, trusting the progression, studying the reads, and "plus" practice repetitions would have likely eliminated most of those issues. Instead, he learned just enough to get by, watched enough film to understand the larger concepts and then threw it all in the trash whenever he left the facility.
In five years, for another franchise, after he hits rock bottom and climbs his way back up...maybe he could be something. But I don't want to wait and see, nor do I think anyone in their right mind should.
The point is that he had all of the potential in the world and anyone who is objective in their analysis can at least admit it. Similarly, he solely fucked himself over and is entirely too immature to be a welcome asset and anyone objective in their analysis can also admit that.
The thought is nice, but I don't characterize those flaws as "small potatoes"
Even QBs with incredible work ethic can never get to the point of being able to have NFL-level pocket presence, go through progressions as quickly as you need to at an NFL level, or read an NFL level defense. Footwork also a hard fundamental thing to clean up. Basically make the correct decision quickly, under pressure + consistently and accurately deliver the football.
Yea he "could" fix all of those problems - or come up with a way to overcome them. But you know, so could Brandon Weeden and Brady Quinn.
That's really why I like Goff so much, because he is already really good at all of those things that many others before him just could never figure out.
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