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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    There was more talent in the desert when OSU and Notre Dame played.

    Could you do one of your extensive player to player match ups to show that?

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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    @tour2ma said:

    Could you do one of your extensive player to player match ups to show that?

    Sure....but this just applies to players that are going to go in the Top 100 of the draft per the CBS Sports draft ranking. The number are their respective prospect rankings:

    OSU/ND.....vs.....Ala/Clemson:

    #1 Joey Bosa OSU

    #7 Ronnie Stanley ND

    ........................#9 A'Shawn Robinson Ala.

    ........................#10 MacKenzie Alexander Clemson

    ........................#12 Shaq Lawson Clemson

    #13 Ezekiel Elliot OSU

    .......................#15.Reggie Ragland Ala.

    #18 Darron Lee OSU

    .......................#19 Jarron Reed Ala

    #20 Taylor Decker OSU

    #21 Jaylon Smith ND

    ........................#22 Jonathan Allen

    #30 Eli Apple OSU

    #32 Michael Thomas OSU

    .........................#34 Derrick Henry Ala

    #41 Will Fuller ND

    #46 Adolphus Washington OSU

    .......................#51 Jayron Kearse Clemson

    #54 Joshua Perry OSU

    .......................#56 Ryan Kelly Ala

    #58 Vonn Bell OSU

    #67 Nick Martin ND

    .......................#74 Jordan Leggett Clemson

    #87 Cardale Jones OSU

    #91 Kervae Russell ND

    #96 Nick Vanett OSU

    #99 Sheldon Day ND

    That is 16 of the Top 100 for OSU/ND....and 10 for Ala/Clemson

    If you want underclassmen rated, you can do that. I don't know how. I am using the resources I am familiar with. I will only say that I think JT Barrett holds his own against Watson, so there is not much difference there IMO.

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      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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      First, well done... you did not disappoint.

      Second, I can wait a couple weeks for DraftScouts to bring declared underclassmen into the rankings. No sense in putting more work in than you did.

      Third, Barrett = Watson? Closer than I'd thought, but we have at least one more year to settle that one.

      Year -- School -- G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate

      Career Clemson 23 426 628 67.8 5575 8.9 9.4 49 15 163.4

      Career Ohio St . 23 296 461 64.2 3826 8.3 8.9 45 14 160.1

      Career Clemson 270 1305 4.8 17

      Career Ohio St . 286 1620 5.7 22

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        andeftwA andeftw wrote on last edited by
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        Dodd played one hell of a game at RE. has got to declare after a game like that.

        Wasn't impressed by the FS Kearse, don't look like he has the speed to cover the entire field.

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          First, well done... you did not disappoint.

          Second, I can wait a couple weeks for DraftScouts to bring declared underclassmen into the rankings. No sense in putting more work in than you did.

          Third, Barrett = Watson? Closer than I'd thought, but we have at least one more year to settle that one.

          Year -- School -- G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate

          Career Clemson 23 426 628 67.8 5575 8.9 9.4 49 15 163.4

          Career Ohio St . 23 296 461 64.2 3826 8.3 8.9 45 14 160.1

          Career Clemson 270 1305 4.8 17

          Career Ohio St . 286 1620 5.7 22

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          @tour2ma said:

          First, well done... you did not disappoint.

          Second, I can wait a couple weeks for DraftScouts to bring declared underclassmen into the rankings. No sense in putting more work in than you did.

          Third, Barrett = Watson? Closer than I'd thought, but we have at least one more year to settle that one.

          Year -- School -- G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate

          Career Clemson 23 426 628 67.8 5575 8.9 9.4 49 15 163.4

          Career Ohio St . 23 296 461 64.2 3826 8.3 8.9 45 14 160.1

          Career Clemson 270 1305 4.8 17

          Career Ohio St . 286 1620 5.7 22

          Bottom line though is per the above, you could have a good one quarter of the first 100 draft picks be players that come from just those 4 schools.

          Pretty impressive is that happens.

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            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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            Per today's CBS Top 100 draft prospects, here is how those top 100 break down in terms of the school they are from:

            Ohio St. 9 + 1 if you count transfer Noah Spence

            Alabama 7

            Notre Dame 6

            LSU 5

            Stanford 4

            Miss. St. 4

            Ole Miss 3

            Clemson 3

            Michigan St. 3

            Georgia 3

            Arkansas 3

            Baylor 3

            Penn St. 3

            Fla. St. 2

            Cal 2

            Florida 2

            Indiana 2

            USC 2

            Boise St. 2

            La. Tech 2

            Oklahoma 2

            All of the following one each:

            UCLA, Oregon, Memphis, OK St., Auburn, Tex. A&M, Va. Tech. TCU, Kan. St. E.Ky (Spence), Duke, Pitt, South Carolina, Houston, Missouri, N. Carolina, BYU, Louisville, Miami Fla., Temple, Utah, Rutgers, Arizona, W. Virginia, Colorado St.

            I had thought I counted more Clemson players...but as I look now, they just have the three in the Top 100. (or maybe I miscounted)

            That is just one list: CBS. So you could probably find differently....and all this could change after the combine etc.

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              Per today's CBS Top 100 draft prospects, here is how those top 100 break down in terms of the school they are from:

              Ohio St. 9 + 1 if you count transfer Noah Spence

              Alabama 7

              Notre Dame 6

              LSU 5

              Stanford 4

              Miss. St. 4

              Ole Miss 3

              Clemson 3

              Michigan St. 3

              Georgia 3

              Arkansas 3

              Baylor 3

              Penn St. 3

              Fla. St. 2

              Cal 2

              Florida 2

              Indiana 2

              USC 2

              Boise St. 2

              La. Tech 2

              Oklahoma 2

              All of the following one each:

              UCLA, Oregon, Memphis, OK St., Auburn, Tex. A&M, Va. Tech. TCU, Kan. St. E.Ky (Spence), Duke, Pitt, South Carolina, Houston, Missouri, N. Carolina, BYU, Louisville, Miami Fla., Temple, Utah, Rutgers, Arizona, W. Virginia, Colorado St.

              I had thought I counted more Clemson players...but as I look now, they just have the three in the Top 100. (or maybe I miscounted)

              That is just one list: CBS. So you could probably find differently....and all this could change after the combine etc.

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              andeftwA andeftw wrote on last edited by andeftw
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              @the-gipper said:

              Per today's CBS Top 100 draft prospects, here is how those top 100 break down in terms of the school they are from:

              Ohio St. 9 + 1 if you count transfer Noah Spence

              Alabama 7

              Notre Dame 6

              LSU 5

              Stanford 4

              Miss. St. 4

              Ole Miss 3

              Clemson 3

              Michigan St. 3

              Georgia 3

              Arkansas 3

              Baylor 3

              Penn St. 3

              Fla. St. 2

              Cal 2

              Florida 2

              Indiana 2

              USC 2

              Boise St. 2

              La. Tech 2

              Oklahoma 2

              All of the following one each:

              UCLA, Oregon, Memphis, OK St., Auburn, Tex. A&M, Va. Tech. TCU, Kan. St. E.Ky (Spence), Duke, Pitt, South Carolina, Houston, Missouri, N. Carolina, BYU, Louisville, Miami Fla., Temple, Utah, Rutgers, Arizona, W. Virginia, Colorado St.

              I had thought I counted more Clemson players...but as I look now, they just have the three in the Top 100. (or maybe I miscounted)

              That is just one list: CBS. So you could probably find differently....and all this could change after the combine etc.

              TE Jordan Leggett, who you listed in post #6, has decided to stay in school so CBS took him off the list today. DE Kevin Dodd and DT Carlos Watkins have yet to declare, but they'll likely be in the top 100 if they do. So that'd be 5 Clemson players

              Edit - Apparently Dodd declared earlier today

              https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/687307519484649472

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                @the-gipper said:

                Per today's CBS Top 100 draft prospects, here is how those top 100 break down in terms of the school they are from:

                Ohio St. 9 + 1 if you count transfer Noah Spence

                Alabama 7

                Notre Dame 6

                LSU 5

                Stanford 4

                Miss. St. 4

                Ole Miss 3

                Clemson 3

                Michigan St. 3

                Georgia 3

                Arkansas 3

                Baylor 3

                Penn St. 3

                Fla. St. 2

                Cal 2

                Florida 2

                Indiana 2

                USC 2

                Boise St. 2

                La. Tech 2

                Oklahoma 2

                All of the following one each:

                UCLA, Oregon, Memphis, OK St., Auburn, Tex. A&M, Va. Tech. TCU, Kan. St. E.Ky (Spence), Duke, Pitt, South Carolina, Houston, Missouri, N. Carolina, BYU, Louisville, Miami Fla., Temple, Utah, Rutgers, Arizona, W. Virginia, Colorado St.

                I had thought I counted more Clemson players...but as I look now, they just have the three in the Top 100. (or maybe I miscounted)

                That is just one list: CBS. So you could probably find differently....and all this could change after the combine etc.

                TE Jordan Leggett, who you listed in post #6, has decided to stay in school so CBS took him off the list today. DE Kevin Dodd and DT Carlos Watkins have yet to declare, but they'll likely be in the top 100 if they do. So that'd be 5 Clemson players

                Edit - Apparently Dodd declared earlier today

                https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/687307519484649472

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                @andeftw said:

                TE Jordan Leggett, who you listed in post #6, has decided to stay in school so CBS took him off the list today. DE Kevin Dodd and DT Carlos Watkins have yet to declare, but they'll likely be in the top 100 if they do. So that'd be 5 Clemson players

                Edit - Apparently Dodd declared earlier today

                https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/687307519484649472

                Well, it seems like these lists can fluctuate daily until it is finally decided who is staying and who is going. More defintitive list after that deadline.

                None the less...it seems that OSU and Alabama will still lead the charge on players taken highly. Top 100 mean essentially first 3 rounds (usually 96: 32x3.....at least one less this year)

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                  Per today's CBS Top 100 draft prospects, here is how those top 100 break down in terms of the school they are from:

                  Ohio St. 9 + 1 if you count transfer Noah Spence

                  Alabama 7

                  Notre Dame 6

                  LSU 5

                  Stanford 4

                  Miss. St. 4

                  Ole Miss 3

                  Clemson 3

                  Michigan St. 3

                  Georgia 3

                  Arkansas 3

                  Baylor 3

                  Penn St. 3

                  Fla. St. 2

                  Cal 2

                  Florida 2

                  Indiana 2

                  USC 2

                  Boise St. 2

                  La. Tech 2

                  Oklahoma 2

                  All of the following one each:

                  UCLA, Oregon, Memphis, OK St., Auburn, Tex. A&M, Va. Tech. TCU, Kan. St. E.Ky (Spence), Duke, Pitt, South Carolina, Houston, Missouri, N. Carolina, BYU, Louisville, Miami Fla., Temple, Utah, Rutgers, Arizona, W. Virginia, Colorado St.

                  I had thought I counted more Clemson players...but as I look now, they just have the three in the Top 100. (or maybe I miscounted)

                  That is just one list: CBS. So you could probably find differently....and all this could change after the combine etc.

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                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                  Yup... will move a lot to and through the Combine.

                  @the-gipper said:

                  Ohio St. 9 + 1 if you count transfer Noah Spence

                  Just started noticing this kid from Eastern Kentucky in the draft game... said, "I know that name..."

                  Damn good player...

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                    We were lucky. 3 of our A&M players decided to come back another year one we selected a new OC. 2 were receivers and the 3rd was our DE opposite Myles Garrett who must stay one more year before eligible for the NFL. If we miss on Bosa then we need Garrett in 2017.

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                      Yup... will move a lot to and through the Combine.

                      @the-gipper said:

                      Ohio St. 9 + 1 if you count transfer Noah Spence

                      Just started noticing this kid from Eastern Kentucky in the draft game... said, "I know that name..."

                      Damn good player...

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                      andeftwA andeftw wrote on last edited by
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                      @tour2ma said:

                      Yup... will move a lot to and through the Combine.

                      Just started noticing this kid from Eastern Kentucky in the draft game... said, "I know that name..."

                      Damn good player...

                      Watched a bit of tape on him yesterday, looks good as a pass rusher but gets pushed back quite easily in the run game. Probably better off at OLB rather than 4-3 DE.

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