Hue Trageting Ray Horton For Dc Lol!

Xanthros

Except our defense was ranked 9th in the NFL under Ray Horton.

LondonBrown

There was very little wrong with Ray Horton's defense here, I'd prefer Schwartz though

CaineDeSoulis

23rd in points per game, 30th in redzone allowed and 31st in first down pecentage. pro tip you dont need as many yards if you can score at will. 32nd in points allowed in the 4th quarter

bbedward

Why would the Titans let him go since it'd be a lateral move?

bbedward

Horton hears a Hue

Had to be done

CaineDeSoulis

its a fucking downgrade from jim

bbedward

@cainedesoulis said:
its a fucking downgrade from jim

Not even close.

You don't need as many yards to score when you have Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell leading the charge with Willis McGahee.

Our dick Jauron defense was at the bottom of the barrel in 2012, our Jim O'neil defense was at the bottom of the barrel in 2014 and even worse in 2015.

Overall I rate Horton as "OK" Maybe he's learned a bit more having more time with Lebeau

A big issue with our defense is everybody sucks - at least Haden and Gipson were playing like pro bowlers under Horton.

Though I still don't see why the Titans let him come to the Browns.

Tour2ma

@bbedward said:
Though I still don't see why the Titans let him come to the Browns.

Similar to Young Shanny last year? If a coordinator asks permission to talk to another franchise about a lateral move, do you really want to keep him?

And "Horton hears a Hue" was a good one...

Mike H

@tour2ma said:

Similar to Young Shanny last year? If a coordinator asks permission to talk to another franchise about a lateral move, do you really want to keep him?

And "Horton hears a Hue" was a good one...

"Horton heard Who and his name was Mingo!!!"... or something. PoG said that years ago, and I have no idea why I remember that.

bbedward

@tour2ma said:
Similar to Young Shanny last year? If a coordinator asks permission to talk to another franchise about a lateral move, do you really want to keep him?

I forgot that the Titans are actually in the coaching hunt too, probably no problem then (although they might keep Mularkey)

nickers

Horton plays too much umbrella zone.. it puts DB's on an island to get consistently toasted.. pass...

Mike H

@nickers said:
Horton plays too much umbrella zone.. it puts DB's on an island to get consistently toasted.. pass...

This same generic statement was used all season to toast Pettine's "aggressive", man coverage scheme that put "DBs on an island"

Can you explain umbrella zone to us?

The Gipper

@bbedward said:

Horton hears a Hue

Had to be done

You are right....with:

nickers

@mike-h said:

This same generic statement was used all season to toast Pettine's "aggressive", man coverage scheme that put "DBs on an island"

Can you explain umbrella zone to us?

I have to explain it to you and you write for a rag like the bleacher report?... Get out of here!...

Mike H

@nickers said:

I have to explain it to you and you write for a rag like the bleacher report?... Get out of here!...

No, I no longer do contract work with B/R. But I do know very well how coverage works. I'm asking you to explain your very cliche and generic statement.

jiggins7919

First of all, you will hear from my attorney regarding the egregious pun.

Second of all, Horton is not my favorite. I don't remember too many specifics, but what I do remember is him blitzing all the damn time and never getting it right. LMAO.

nickers

@mike-h said:
No, I no longer do contract work with B/R. But I do know very well how coverage works. I'm asking you to explain your very cliche and generic statement.

It basically means you have 3 db's back deep in coverage in Umbrella formation. It leaves a terribly wide gap in the middle of the field were the Browns get consistently torched. It puts double responsibilities on safties and DB's to police and cover the field.. As I understand it.

tiamat63

@mike-h said:

This same generic statement was used all season to toast Pettine's "aggressive", man coverage scheme that put "DBs on an island"

Can you explain umbrella zone to us?

It can mean different things to certain people but generally umbrella coverage involves a ton of single high man or 3 shell (depending on responsibility and call) Great for Gipson, bad if your corners can't handle it.

edit: Umbrella can also refer to how players align in your front 7. I heard people use it in that regard, I've also heard them use it in regards to deploying coverage.

Mike H

@tiamat63 said:

It can mean different things to certain people but generally umbrella coverage involves a ton of single high man or 3 shell (depending on responsibility and call) Great for Gipson, bad if your corners can't handle it.

edit: Umbrella can also refer to how players align in your front 7. I heard people use it in that regard, I've also heard them use it in regards to deploying coverage.

I was just typing the first sentence you wrote when it said "new reply". That's why I was asking for more from ol Nickers, because when I think Umbrella, I think front 7 and linebackers, and he was talking about 3 deep.

tiamat63

@mike-h said:
I was just typing the first sentence you wrote when it said "new reply". That's why I was asking for more from ol Nickers, because when I think Umbrella, I think front 7 and linebackers, and he was talking about 3 deep.

Like I said, it means different things for different people/coaches.

To be specific, when I think of 'umbrella' I think of a front 7 that uses multiple alignments but with single gap responsibilities to kind of disguise their looks but to keep things simple and prevent complications in calls. Typically its associated with heavy man coverage on the backend because your blitz tendencies are usually aggressive. That's not a by book definition. Come to think of it, I don't ever recall seeing a 'by book' definition. However those two things usually go hand in hand.