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    jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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    http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-lawmaker-said-obama-134939060.html

    The Republicans own the Bible, in case you weren't up to speed.

    Virginia Rep. Dave Brat, the GOP lawmaker who famously upset former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor in a 2014 Republican primary, informed the world of his party's proprietary rights Monday while speaking with radio host Sandy Rios on her show, American Family Radio.

    Brat was particularly incensed at President Barack Obama referring to the Bible in his partisan comments and criticism of the Republicans.

    "He's using the Christian tradition and trying to bring about compassion by bonking Republicans over the head with the Bible," Brat said. "It's almost a comedy routine on what compassion and love is. He's mocking his enemies in order to compel a larger federal state using the tradition of love.

    "Our side, the conservative side, needs to re-educate its people that we own the entire tradition. If you lose the moral argument, you lose the policy argument every time, so we need to reclaim the moral argument, where we're so strong."

    Specifically, in November, Obama said, "Apparently, they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," when criticizing the GOP for their unwelcoming stance toward Syrian refugees.

    His comments have been interpreted by some as a reference to James 1:27 in the Bible, which reads: "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."

    The parallel was a subtle jab at a party that has become increasingly evangelical, touting fundamentalist Christianity as the basis for much of their ideology, from women's reproductive rights to Social Security.

    Clearly the only Democrat who can quote the Bible is the fictional Jed Bartlet:

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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      No I'm not really a believer but I think he's right. If you are the main guy in a political party whose goal is promoting gay marriage, abortion on demand, and persecuting citizens who exercise their rights as Christians and eliminating any reference to the Bible from any public place I think at the very least it's hypocritical to spew Bible verse in order to gain influence. Don't you? Kind of like Walter White preaching the Quran to try to get a contract at the local mosque.

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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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        Of course reality and all of those things that Steve said may not be the same...

        ... but those are just minor details

        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          This will surely shock and offend the PC crowd, but he is right. Like Steve I'm also not really a believer.

          "The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things " - mike huckabee
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            Of course reality and all of those things that Steve said may not be the same...

            ... but those are just minor details

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            @mld-woody said:

            Of course reality and all of those things that Steve said may not be the same...

            ... but those are just minor details

            Care to elaborate on exactly which details are not true or should we just take your word for it?

            "The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things " - mike huckabee
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              @mld-woody said:

              Of course reality and all of those things that Steve said may not be the same...

              ... but those are just minor details

              Care to elaborate on exactly which details are not true or should we just take your word for it?

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              @blowe said:

              Care to elaborate on exactly which details are not true or should we just take your word for it?

              Take my word for it

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                B blowe wrote on last edited by
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                That's what I figured.

                "The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things " - mike huckabee
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                  That's what I figured.

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                  @blowe said:

                  That's what I figured.

                  That's what we all figured. 😉

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                    As a believer I don't have a lot of faith in our politicians of either party. It is almost always the choice of the lesser of two evils for me. For example Paul Ryan and the republicans pass a 1.2 trillion omnibus bill and fund everything Obama, Reid and Pelosi could possibly want then they have meaningless votes to defund Obamacare or Planned Parenthood knowing full well Obama will simply veto the legislation. So when the have the power to actually do something they don't but they waste time and have over 60 meaningless votes to repeal Obamacare so they can brag that up to ill informed voters who actually think they are doing something. Nancy Pelosi said Ryan and the republicans "gave away the store" for concessions for big oil (and they did)

                    Still not on board on with Trump but he is the one who actually may rock the boat and do some things that are in the best interest of our country and not be beholden to special interest groups. Trump is a quick learner in politics though as he courts the Christian vote with talking about the bible being the greatest book ever written (yet he doesn't know one verse in it) or his saying as a Christian he has never asked for forgiveness? That is not possible.

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                      Ted Cruz won the debate last night - it was a good one, and he

                      really impressed. I'm hoping for a Cruz-Carson ticket.

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                        Ted Cruz won the debate last night - it was a good one, and he

                        really impressed. I'm hoping for a Cruz-Carson ticket.

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                        @calfoxwc said:

                        Ted Cruz won the debate last night - it was a good one, and he

                        really impressed. I'm hoping for a Cruz-Carson ticket.

                        Keep hoping my friend. I think the doctors ship has long sailed. Decent guy but...

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                          As a believer I don't have a lot of faith in our politicians of either party. It is almost always the choice of the lesser of two evils for me. For example Paul Ryan and the republicans pass a 1.2 trillion omnibus bill and fund everything Obama, Reid and Pelosi could possibly want then they have meaningless votes to defund Obamacare or Planned Parenthood knowing full well Obama will simply veto the legislation. So when the have the power to actually do something they don't but they waste time and have over 60 meaningless votes to repeal Obamacare so they can brag that up to ill informed voters who actually think they are doing something. Nancy Pelosi said Ryan and the republicans "gave away the store" for concessions for big oil (and they did)

                          Still not on board on with Trump but he is the one who actually may rock the boat and do some things that are in the best interest of our country and not be beholden to special interest groups. Trump is a quick learner in politics though as he courts the Christian vote with talking about the bible being the greatest book ever written (yet he doesn't know one verse in it) or his saying as a Christian he has never asked for forgiveness? That is not possible.

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                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                          As a believer I don't have a lot of faith in our politicians of either party. It is almost always the choice of the lesser of two evils for me. For example Paul Ryan and the republicans pass a 1.2 trillion omnibus bill and fund everything Obama, Reid and Pelosi could possibly want then they have meaningless votes to defund Obamacare or Planned Parenthood knowing full well Obama will simply veto the legislation. So when the have the power to actually do something they don't but they waste time and have over 60 meaningless votes to repeal Obamacare so they can brag that up to ill informed voters who actually think they are doing something. Nancy Pelosi said Ryan and the republicans "gave away the store" for concessions for big oil (and they did)

                          Still not on board on with Trump but he is the one who actually may rock the boat and do some things that are in the best interest of our country and not be beholden to special interest groups. Trump is a quick learner in politics though as he courts the Christian vote with talking about the bible being the greatest book ever written (yet he doesn't know one verse in it) or his saying as a Christian he has never asked for forgiveness? That is not possible.

                          Your democracy is somewhat broken. You shouldn't have a president (any president) legislating by themselves, it should go through the house. But equally, you shouldn't re-elect the house every two years because that's effectively re-electing the president every two years.

                          You're basically voting in a dictator for four years at a time, the way it is. And you get a 'choice' between the two dictators presented to you by either wall street/big oil etc or unions/wall street etc.

                          How likely is it that you could actually start a legitimate third (or fourth, fifth) party that gains any traction, has any semblance of power? For example, over here we have had UKIP - I hate the message but I love that they've been able to achieve something about 15% of the vote in only their second election. Both left and right are so far left and right over there that there's a massive gap in the centre, yet nobody can fill it.

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                            @oldbrownsfan said:

                            As a believer I don't have a lot of faith in our politicians of either party. It is almost always the choice of the lesser of two evils for me. For example Paul Ryan and the republicans pass a 1.2 trillion omnibus bill and fund everything Obama, Reid and Pelosi could possibly want then they have meaningless votes to defund Obamacare or Planned Parenthood knowing full well Obama will simply veto the legislation. So when the have the power to actually do something they don't but they waste time and have over 60 meaningless votes to repeal Obamacare so they can brag that up to ill informed voters who actually think they are doing something. Nancy Pelosi said Ryan and the republicans "gave away the store" for concessions for big oil (and they did)

                            Still not on board on with Trump but he is the one who actually may rock the boat and do some things that are in the best interest of our country and not be beholden to special interest groups. Trump is a quick learner in politics though as he courts the Christian vote with talking about the bible being the greatest book ever written (yet he doesn't know one verse in it) or his saying as a Christian he has never asked for forgiveness? That is not possible.

                            Your democracy is somewhat broken. You shouldn't have a president (any president) legislating by themselves, it should go through the house. But equally, you shouldn't re-elect the house every two years because that's effectively re-electing the president every two years.

                            You're basically voting in a dictator for four years at a time, the way it is. And you get a 'choice' between the two dictators presented to you by either wall street/big oil etc or unions/wall street etc.

                            How likely is it that you could actually start a legitimate third (or fourth, fifth) party that gains any traction, has any semblance of power? For example, over here we have had UKIP - I hate the message but I love that they've been able to achieve something about 15% of the vote in only their second election. Both left and right are so far left and right over there that there's a massive gap in the centre, yet nobody can fill it.

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                            @gftchris said:

                            yet nobody can fill it.

                            because there's more power to wield over us if they can maneuver us to the poles. This has become a materialist consumption driven society. The machine required to maintain that can't have people operating in the middle.

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                              Chris it's not really a pure democracy, it's a republic. And in my opinion, a republic is a great way to run things the way you want to and make the great unwashed think they have a say.

                              😉

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                                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                Probably one of the best quick fixes to corruption in politics would be term limits. The longer a politician is in Washington the more beholden they get to special interest groups and lobbyists. Let someone serve no more than a couple terms than bring in someone else.

                                Getting rid of career politicians would be a great first step in improving our politics.

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                                  Probably one of the best quick fixes to corruption in politics would be term limits. The longer a politician is in Washington the more beholden they get to special interest groups and lobbyists. Let someone serve no more than a couple terms than bring in someone else.

                                  Getting rid of career politicians would be a great first step in improving our politics.

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                                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                                  Probably one of the best quick fixes to corruption in politics would be term limits. The longer a politician is in Washington the more beholden they get to special interest groups and lobbyists. Let someone serve no more than a couple terms than bring in someone else.

                                  Getting rid of career politicians would be a great first step in improving our politics.

                                  Meh. For every corrupt crony in government there are a hundred more willing to take a few million in donations to do the bidding of the donors. Term limits just mean you move on from Ted Cruz to Jeb Bush to Marco Rubio to whoever else.

                                  On the flip side of someone is actually making a difference they should be able to stay.

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                                    Old I completely disagree. If everyone got a single term the party would go completely ballistic with reelection assault. Worse than any candidate could have imagined.

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                                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                      You can make an argument for and against term limits. I used to oppose them believing let the voters decide but I think on balance we would be better off with term limits:

                                      Arguments for and against term limits

                                      http://wichitaliberty.org/politics/arguments-term-limits/

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                                        - Reverse Citizens United vs FEC and McCutcheon vs FEC

                                        - Use the "People's Pledge"

                                        - Strengthen up disclosure for donors

                                        Few things that could help the money in politics/corruption issue.

                                        Finding a candidate to get that done is a different story - it sure as hell wouldn't be Ted Cruz, he loves his money and kickbacks he gets from wall street.

                                        Ted Cruz is a Princeton/Harvard lawyer who is in bed with Goldman Sachs, Citi, and all those other wall street cucks. Not sure how he is winning over the "true conservatives"

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                                          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                          I have a harder time seeing Trump as a true conservative over Cruz...by far.

                                          Will the real Donald Trump please stand up?

                                          Over the past two decades he was a Republican, then an independent, then a Democrat, then a Republican.


                                          Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/will-the-real-donald-trump-please-stand-up-120607#ixzz3xc65zy4o
                                          The many ways in which Donald Trump was once a liberal’s liberal

                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/09/ths-many-ways-in-which-donald-trump-was-once-a-liberals-liberal/

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