In the second round, the Cleveland Browns select...
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We gonna trick our way to something?
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OK which one of you guys pissed him off? He does not like his 2nd round grade and is determined to use the combine to get into the first round by outworking everybody every day from now thru the draft.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/derrick-henry-is-angry-he-got-a-second-round-nfl-draft-grade
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OK which one of you guys pissed him off? He does not like his 2nd round grade and is determined to use the combine to get into the first round by outworking everybody every day from now thru the draft.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/derrick-henry-is-angry-he-got-a-second-round-nfl-draft-grade
OK which one of you guys pissed him off? He does not like his 2nd round grade and is determined to use the combine to get into the first round by outworking everybody every day from now thru the draft.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/derrick-henry-is-angry-he-got-a-second-round-nfl-draft-grade
I hope somebody does take him in the first round. That's a stupid move that we used to make, it would be good to see someone else do it.
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They also stuck with Gus Bradley and his 12 wins in 3 seasons....allowing him to upgrade the staff(including new coordinators) and the talent(which was low).....rather than just starting over......
So they worked through the problems and made adjustments instead of just throwing in the towel.....
The difference is that Gus Bradley isn't a shitty coach like Mike Pettine was.
Visit a Jags forum. They may disagree with that assessment.The difference is that Gus Bradley isn't a shitty coach
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Visit a Jags forum. They may disagree with that assessment.The difference is that Gus Bradley isn't a shitty coach
Visit a Jags forum. They may disagree with that assessment.
There's an opinion for everything.
Somewhere people are saying "I wish we still had Shurmer."
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This draft is loaded with DE/DT talent. I think we'll find one at #32.
Hopefully we get a healthy haden next year and ike preo-limu ( or whatever ) comes out of nowhere.
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And then there is my favorite RB.
I could live with a decent WR, just to give whomever a prayer of not getting sacked 8 times a game.
And then there is my favorite RB.
I could live with a decent WR, just to give whomever a prayer of not getting sacked 8 times a game.
???
How does a decent WR prevent the QB from being sacked?
Especially with an O-line that is problematic.
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Oh yes PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us draft a QB in the first and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let him ride the bench for 2 years and then maybe give him 5 games to learn the offense under 2 different coaches with 2 different OC and then wonder why it wont work.
if we draft a QB with the 2nd pick he starts day one.
no more let's see what happens when guys have a year or two to try and develop them. bortles, mariota, winston, luck........put that fucker in. hopefully he has a better line than tim couch had.
if we draft a QB with the 2nd pick he starts day one.
no more let's see what happens when guys have a year or two to try and develop them. bortles, mariota, winston, luck........put that fucker in. hopefully he has a better line than tim couch had.
Totally disagree.
I saw a piece on ESPN several years ago where they interviewed a lot of the top QBs that were drafted and started on day 1.
TO A MAN, they all said they were clueless and didn't know WTF they were doing until around week 10. Didn't matter what talent level, either. Physically or intellectually. They ALL stated that they weren't ready for the pro game.
The problem with most teams today is that they play the #1 QB the entire game - whether you're up by 20 or down by 20, or even if he's having a bad day. That's the time to get the younger guy in there and get some snaps and a feel for the pro game. Coaches/teams used to do this in the past, but don't anymore. This is the right way to develop a QB. Always has been. Always will be.
If they mistakenly draft a QB with their first pick, then I am in favor of keeping Manziel and throwing him to the wolves until the new guy is ready.
So, unless Goff is the rare LeBron James of QBs, then you DON'T start him day 1.
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Because he's open quicker?
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Because he's open quicker?
... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
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Because he's open quicker?
... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
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... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Bingo! Plus I also thought a lot of it had more to do with the crazy scheme than it did with the talent. Miscommunication was happening so often it was leaving people free to zip right through. Even so look how long Josh held the ball before the sack on the plays where the OL got it right. Nobody open and midgets to throw to.
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... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Our QBs rarely have that much time.
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A lot depends on Josh Gordon. If he's fully back, engaged, off the ridiculous amount of things the NFL bans, we don't need a WR. Him and Benjamin outside could be huge, with Barnidge at TE.
A lot depends on Josh Gordon. If he's fully back, engaged, off the ridiculous amount of things the NFL bans, we don't need a WR. Him and Benjamin outside could be huge, with Barnidge at TE.
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
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A lot depends on Josh Gordon. If he's fully back, engaged, off the ridiculous amount of things the NFL bans, we don't need a WR. Him and Benjamin outside could be huge, with Barnidge at TE.
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
Now that is funny . JG has had more chances and lied about his use more than JM, but just he can be turned around by Hue being his daddy?
Think about that and let it sink in. Who has betrayed the team by not even being available the better part of two years? Sure you can say both but then they should get equal treatment.
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Zombo said:
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
Now that is funny . JG has had more chances and lied about his use more than JM, but just he can be turned around by Hue being his daddy?
Think about that and let it sink in. Who has betrayed the team by not even being available the better part of two years? Sure you can say both but then they should get equal treatment.
Now that is funny . JG has had more chances and lied about his use more than JM, but just he can be turned around by Hue being his daddy?
Think about that and let it sink in. Who has betrayed the team by not even being available the better part of two years? Sure you can say both but then they should get equal treatment.
You are comparing a wide receiver who has sat out for a year, and his chances for a comeback versus a QB that according to all reports is not wanted by the new coach. And I believe that has more to do with playing style and what we have seen from him on the field ... he's not a Hue guy.
Johnny will get a second chance, it just won't be here, Bud.
Zombo
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Now that is funny . JG has had more chances and lied about his use more than JM, but just he can be turned around by Hue being his daddy?
Think about that and let it sink in. Who has betrayed the team by not even being available the better part of two years? Sure you can say both but then they should get equal treatment.
You are comparing a wide receiver who has sat out for a year, and his chances for a comeback versus a QB that according to all reports is not wanted by the new coach. And I believe that has more to do with playing style and what we have seen from him on the field ... he's not a Hue guy.
Johnny will get a second chance, it just won't be here, Bud.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You are comparing a wide receiver who has sat out for a year, and his chances for a comeback versus a QB that according to all reports is not wanted by the new coach. And I believe that has more to do with playing style and what we have seen from him on the field ... he's not a Hue guy.
Johnny will get a second chance, it just won't be here, Bud.
Zombo
I'm just a bit surprised you support that given both have done the same thing to their teammates, just in different ways. The end results were almost identical. So why aren't you all over HJ for making the same mistake of trusting an untrustable player who has screwed the team multiple times?
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Zombo said:
You are comparing a wide receiver who has sat out for a year, and his chances for a comeback versus a QB that according to all reports is not wanted by the new coach. And I believe that has more to do with playing style and what we have seen from him on the field ... he's not a Hue guy.
Johnny will get a second chance, it just won't be here, Bud.
Zombo
I'm just a bit surprised you support that given both have done the same thing to their teammates, just in different ways. The end results were almost identical. So why aren't you all over HJ for making the same mistake of trusting an untrustable player who has screwed the team multiple times?
I'm just a bit surprised you support that given both have done the same thing to their teammates, just in different ways. The end results were almost identical. So why aren't you all over HJ for making the same mistake of trusting an untrustable player who has screwed the team multiple times?
1. Why would I be all over HJ, he hasn't said anything about JG
2. I was all over JG in 2014 for being an awful teammate, and raised concerns before that as well, you just weren't here because the Midget Messiah hadn't arrived yet.
3. I am speculating that JG's chances of straightening up and saving his career are better with a guy like Hue Jack.
4. Hue Jack doesn't want Johnny. Therefore he's not worth discussing anymore other than the dead-horse-beaten "Can we get a 5th round pick from Dallas" riveting convo
5. Not every thread needs to be about Johnny. Really.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
You are comparing a wide receiver who has sat out for a year, and his chances for a comeback versus a QB that according to all reports is not wanted by the new coach. And I believe that has more to do with playing style and what we have seen from him on the field ... he's not a Hue guy.
Johnny will get a second chance, it just won't be here, Bud.
Zombo
I'm just a bit surprised you support that given both have done the same thing to their teammates, just in different ways. The end results were almost identical. So why aren't you all over HJ for making the same mistake of trusting an untrustable player who has screwed the team multiple times?
I'm just a bit surprised you support that given both have done the same thing to their teammates, just in different ways. The end results were almost identical. So why aren't you all over HJ for making the same mistake of trusting an untrustable player who has screwed the team multiple times?
First, the "different ways" are night and day different.
Second, Josh has shown that he can be a #1 at his position in the Pros.
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