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  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    Hoyer was handed the starting job last year. He showed some promise and was the hometown kid everybody wanted to have a chance to be the guy. Manziel had NO SHOT at taking the starting spot in camp. Hence, QB controversy.

    Then Pettine turns around and does the exact same thing with McCown. Don't get me wrong, McCown is a good guy and he helped Manziel a lot... as opposed to Hoyer whom only cared about himself.

    @poeticg said:

    Hoyer was handed the starting job last year. He showed some promise and was the hometown kid everybody wanted to have a chance to be the guy. Manziel had NO SHOT at taking the starting spot in camp. Hence, QB controversy.

    Then Pettine turns around and does the exact same thing with McCown. Don't get me wrong, McCown is a good guy and he helped Manziel a lot... as opposed to Hoyer whom only cared about himself.

    Manziel is done in Cleveland.. He's going to get a second chance with either the Rams or Cowboys, and probably fuck that up too. I was a Johnny fan too, and hopeful he would amount to something but at some point you have to be realistic and realize his issues will never allow him to get to his full potential on the field

  • W Westside Steve

    Aren't you the guy that keeps repeating how so many first round draft picks don't start immediately? Which means they all got beat out by who was was starting when they came to camp?

    And if so, so what?

    And you don't have to answer the first question but it has as much or as little to do with what we are discussing as anything else.

    (and I understand that there is almost nothing that would impact your opinions... 🙂 )

    WSS

    Bullshit, Po...

    @westside-steve said:

    (and I understand that there is almost nothing that would impact your opinions... 🙂 )

    Not anymore... but if you recall there was a time... or should I say were times. One in 2014 and one in 2015 when I was teetering.

    Back on solid ground now, however... 😉

    @lodilobo said:

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  • TODAY, Hue jackson said the "Browns need a quarterback" and that if JFF was in vegas as reported then that means he's not an NFL starting quarterback. So if there were any questions about where Hue stands, they have just been answered.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/17/hue-jackson-says-browns-need-a-quarterback/

  • If? Not "Since?"

    WSS

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    ManzierM 1 Reply

  • Of course he would have been a non-starter... he was in the concussion protocall...

    The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    Of course he would have been a non-starter... he was in the concussion protocall...

    @poeticg said:

    Of course he would have been a non-starter... he was in the concussion protocall...

    I'd like my quarterback to show up to mandatory team meetings.

  • W Westside Steve

    If? Not "Since?"

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    If? Not "Since?"

    WSS

    If he didnt go to vegas, it would be beneficial for the Browns to say that. But theyre not.

    @mark-o said:

    I'd like my quarterback to show up to mandatory team meetings.

    I'd like him to show up period.

  • ManzierM Manzier

    @westside-steve said:

    If? Not "Since?"

    WSS

    If he didnt go to vegas, it would be beneficial for the Browns to say that. But theyre not.

    @mark-o said:

    I'd like my quarterback to show up to mandatory team meetings.

    I'd like him to show up period.

    @manzier said:

    If he didnt go to vegas, it would be beneficial for the Browns to say that. But theyre not.

    I'd like him to show up period.

    Exactly.

    Actually on both counts.

    But

    I'm just wondering why there is a question about whether he was there or not.

    I mean I understand that TMZ etc run on innuendo but still.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
    Mark OM ManzierM 2 Replies
  • W Westside Steve

    @manzier said:

    If he didnt go to vegas, it would be beneficial for the Browns to say that. But theyre not.

    I'd like him to show up period.

    Exactly.

    Actually on both counts.

    But

    I'm just wondering why there is a question about whether he was there or not.

    I mean I understand that TMZ etc run on innuendo but still.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Exactly.

    Actually on both counts.

    But

    I'm just wondering why there is a question about whether he was there or not.

    I mean I understand that TMZ etc run on innuendo but still.

    WSS

    I don't care if he was there or not. I care more about him not showing up Sunday morning like he's supposed to and no one from the team hearing from him all day long. Careless and irresponsible from the guy who's supposed to be the face of the franchise. I don't think there's any question we're moving on from him.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @westside-steve said:

    Exactly.

    Actually on both counts.

    But

    I'm just wondering why there is a question about whether he was there or not.

    I mean I understand that TMZ etc run on innuendo but still.

    WSS

    I don't care if he was there or not. I care more about him not showing up Sunday morning like he's supposed to and no one from the team hearing from him all day long. Careless and irresponsible from the guy who's supposed to be the face of the franchise. I don't think there's any question we're moving on from him.

    @mark-o said:

    I don't care if he was there or not. I care more about him not showing up Sunday morning like he's supposed to and no one from the team hearing from him all day long. Careless and irresponsible from the guy who's supposed to be the face of the franchise. I don't think there's any question we're moving on from him.

    I don't think so either. I just wish I knew what was going on, as opposed to some others.

    WSS

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  • And like I said I'd like to know what happened on that Wednesday morning.

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    @manzier said:

    If he didnt go to vegas, it would be beneficial for the Browns to say that. But theyre not.

    I'd like him to show up period.

    Exactly.

    Actually on both counts.

    But

    I'm just wondering why there is a question about whether he was there or not.

    I mean I understand that TMZ etc run on innuendo but still.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Exactly.

    Actually on both counts.

    But

    I'm just wondering why there is a question about whether he was there or not.

    I mean I understand that TMZ etc run on innuendo but still.

    WSS

    Im just guessing, but Hue wasnt here then and probably doesnt want to say or comment on JFF or what happened in the past. And, as we both agree, it doesnt benefit the Browns to confirm it because they might still think they can get something for him. The less they say or admit the better. Dont think we will ever know the truth about that morning either. Unless another player comes out with it. Pretty certain the Browns will never say.

    My question would be if Hue knows JFF wasnt in Vegas, why wouldnt he just say that when asked?

    W 1 Reply

  • Will we ever know for sure since we are dealing with a master of disguise?

    And ultimately who Hue "puts up with" will be up to Sashi...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • ManzierM Manzier

    @westside-steve said:

    Exactly.

    Actually on both counts.

    But

    I'm just wondering why there is a question about whether he was there or not.

    I mean I understand that TMZ etc run on innuendo but still.

    WSS

    Im just guessing, but Hue wasnt here then and probably doesnt want to say or comment on JFF or what happened in the past. And, as we both agree, it doesnt benefit the Browns to confirm it because they might still think they can get something for him. The less they say or admit the better. Dont think we will ever know the truth about that morning either. Unless another player comes out with it. Pretty certain the Browns will never say.

    My question would be if Hue knows JFF wasnt in Vegas, why wouldnt he just say that when asked?

    @manzier said:

    Im just guessing, but Hue wasnt here then and probably doesnt want to say or comment on JFF or what happened in the past. And, as we both agree, it doesnt benefit the Browns to confirm it because they might still think they can get something for him. The less they say or admit the better. Dont think we will ever know the truth about that morning either. Unless another player comes out with it. Pretty certain the Browns will never say.

    My question would be if Hue knows JFF wasnt in Vegas, why wouldnt he just say that when asked?

    Wouldn't look good for the Browns if they did sit him down for being drunk and claim a concussion.

    But now that he's fired we know who would be the perfect scapegoat.

    (ya suppose there's a gag order in place?)

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @westside-steve said:

    Well if that little insult was aimed me tex, well...[ insert vulgar remark here]

    $10 says Ag aimed that at himself and you've gotten way too sensitive over Johnny...

    Ag,

    Back me up and I'll cut you in for half...

    @tour2ma said:

    $10 says Ag aimed that at himself and you've gotten way too sensitive over Johnny...

    Ag,

    Back me up and I'll cut you in for half...

    LOL! It was a double header so that'll be $2.50 apiece. 😆

  • I agree Steve. Pet might still have a job had he played JM more and spent less time worried about what he did off the field.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I agree Steve. Pet might still have a job had he played JM more and spent less time worried about what he did off the field.

    @ballpeen said:

    I agree Steve. Pet might still have a job had he played JM more and spent less time worried about what he did off the field.

    For a few reasons, in an alternate universe.

    A if in fact his attitude has been better had he been given a starting position earlier.

    B if he had continued to learn from on field mistakes and improve his play.

    C if there really was a conflict between the coach and the owner then:

    C1 if the team is more successful with Johnny the owner is happier, or

    C2 Johnny's play is obviously substandard and the owner sees that first hand.

    (how much worse could our record be?

    D by starting him he appears to be more valuable to the team and would have more trade value if that is the ultimate goal.

    So, as in directors cut or video games there might be alternative endings.

    A Mike Pettine keeps his job

    B the Cleveland Browns have a starting quarterback

    C some other team spends their first round pick on Jared Goff while the Cleveland Browns repair their defense.

    D Dallas coughs up a second round pick for Johnny

    E Mr Spock has a beard.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons

  • http://www.wfaa.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/01/17/johnny-manziel-spotted-fort-worth-liquor-store/78936116/

    There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.

    Z hoortaH 2 Replies

  • With Manziel I *never* cared about the supposed partying, going to vegas, courtside seats, expired tag, etc...he's never done anything truly bad(or at least been caught for it), so stuff like him going to a party in austin on an off week is completely ok by me.

    My doubting Manziel(then and now) has always been about whether he can be good enough. Whether he has a fundamental skill set that would transfer to the nfl. I didnt think so when we drafted him, and I don't think so now.

    But I bet he's a pretty good guy, and I dont care if he goes out to clubs.....jesus. The big loser in all of this is Mike Pettine, who looked like a fool trying to be JMs babysitter. Good riddance to that loser. Everyday that he is not the head coach of our team is a good day.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • The issue isn't going out and partying. It's missing mandatory team events, lying to coaches, doing cocaine in a bathroom?, and all of the negative attention. A starting QB who is swerving and speeding on the shoulder while leaving bruises on his girlfriend isn't a good look for the Cleveland Browns (or Johnny Manziel, for that matter).

    His skill set doesn't help either, though.

    His off-field stuff directly affects Johnny the person, Johnny the player, and the Browns negatively. I personally can't wait to shit can him.

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