Browns Hire Horton For D C
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Eh I'll let this season shake out. It's not like we're going to go from the playoffs to the dumpster.
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Yes horton please say you dont want come here then we might have hope not to give up 30 plus points per game.
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LOl.. I don't think its time to commit Hari-Kari , yet...
Not that extreme, but a little like renting out a spare bedroom to a new, best friend only to find out he is married to your ex...
Horton rejecting this report?
Reads more like confusion...
"As to the report from the Tennessean that the Titans have released Horton from his contract so that he can join the Browns as defensive coordinator, Horton said, “As far as I know, that is not true. No one has contacted me to say I’m free to go anywhere.”
The Tennessean reported that Horton has requested his release, and that the Titans have told Horton his request will be granted."
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The initial article certainly doesn't paint a very rosy picture.
"The year before Horton's arrival, the Titans ranked 14th in total defense (337.9 yards allowed) and 16th in points allowed (23.8). After his first season, they ranked 27th in total defense (373) and 29th in points allowed (27.4).
This season, their second using a 3-4 defensive front and with LeBeau on staff, the Titans ranked 12th in total defense (342.2 yards per game) and seventh against the pass (229.9), but were still among the most scored upon units in the NFL, ranking 27th in the league in points allowed (26.4)."
I suppose there's other factors, but going from middle of the pack to the bottom doesn't sound appealing. It sounds like he revamped things though, like took them to a 3-4. I guess we'll see.
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well that means we're not tearing up the defense most likely. Fuck that sucks. I had issues with Hortons 3-4 in that he routinely left Kruger and Sheard on the field with only two DL. I don't like having two hybrid jack OLB'ers standing up with only two interior lineman. If you're gonna do that just put the edges down and run a 4-3. Sheard and Kruger were never gonna scare anyone in coverage. I dunno maybe with orchard here we could do something. But if I see Kruger and Mingo on the field next year......doing the exact same thing they've done for years now, I mean who wants to sit through this another year? If you tear the defense up and let Horton build it than yeah, maybe. But it also means that Dansby likely is staying as he played in Hortons system in Ariz. Which is another irritation imo. We need to move on from both Dansby and Kirksey.
We need to move on from both Dansby and Kirksey.
I don't know about that. Dansby was one of the only bright spots on D, and Kirksey's going into his 3rd year.
I'd draft a LB for sure, but give those 2 a shot in Horton's system.
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What about the Barney Fife rule? We gonna have all brothers for coaches. My culture and heritage are insulted for not getting a chance.
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The initial article certainly doesn't paint a very rosy picture.
"The year before Horton's arrival, the Titans ranked 14th in total defense (337.9 yards allowed) and 16th in points allowed (23.8). After his first season, they ranked 27th in total defense (373) and 29th in points allowed (27.4).
This season, their second using a 3-4 defensive front and with LeBeau on staff, the Titans ranked 12th in total defense (342.2 yards per game) and seventh against the pass (229.9), but were still among the most scored upon units in the NFL, ranking 27th in the league in points allowed (26.4)."
I suppose there's other factors, but going from middle of the pack to the bottom doesn't sound appealing. It sounds like he revamped things though, like took them to a 3-4. I guess we'll see.
The initial article certainly doesn't paint a very rosy picture.
"The year before Horton's arrival, the Titans ranked 14th in total defense (337.9 yards allowed) and 16th in points allowed (23.8). After his first season, they ranked 27th in total defense (373) and 29th in points allowed (27.4).
This season, their second using a 3-4 defensive front and with LeBeau on staff, the Titans ranked 12th in total defense (342.2 yards per game) and seventh against the pass (229.9), but were still among the most scored upon units in the NFL, ranking 27th in the league in points allowed (26.4)."
I suppose there's other factors, but going from middle of the pack to the bottom doesn't sound appealing. It sounds like he revamped things though, like took them to a 3-4. I guess we'll see.
Sounds a lot like Dick LeBeau turned that defense around. And is anybody shocked that LeBeau is a better DC than Horton? Nope? Good.
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We need to move on from both Dansby and Kirksey.
I don't know about that. Dansby was one of the only bright spots on D, and Kirksey's going into his 3rd year.
I'd draft a LB for sure, but give those 2 a shot in Horton's system.
I don't know about that. Dansby was one of the only bright spots on D, and Kirksey's going into his 3rd year.
I'd draft a LB for sure, but give those 2 a shot in Horton's system.
Dansby was most cert not a bright spot. In his defense though, apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system. I'm still baffled by that. He lost all his field strength. But he's way overpriced for his production, even in the best of circumstances. It would be nice to keep a vet around to teach a new group of young LB'ers like Pgh is doing with Harrison.
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I don't know about that. Dansby was one of the only bright spots on D, and Kirksey's going into his 3rd year.
I'd draft a LB for sure, but give those 2 a shot in Horton's system.
Dansby was most cert not a bright spot. In his defense though, apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system. I'm still baffled by that. He lost all his field strength. But he's way overpriced for his production, even in the best of circumstances. It would be nice to keep a vet around to teach a new group of young LB'ers like Pgh is doing with Harrison.
Dansby was most cert not a bright spot. In his defense though, apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system. I'm still baffled by that. He lost all his field strength. But he's way overpriced for his production, even in the best of circumstances. It would be nice to keep a vet around to teach a new group of young LB'ers like Pgh is doing with Harrison.
Led the team in Total Tackles, Solo Tackles, Assists, Interceptions and Touchdowns. I thought he played his ass off on a shitty defense.
Zombo
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Dansby was most cert not a bright spot. In his defense though, apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system. I'm still baffled by that. He lost all his field strength. But he's way overpriced for his production, even in the best of circumstances. It would be nice to keep a vet around to teach a new group of young LB'ers like Pgh is doing with Harrison.
Led the team in Total Tackles, Solo Tackles, Assists, Interceptions and Touchdowns. I thought he played his ass off on a shitty defense.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Led the team in Total Tackles, Solo Tackles, Assists, Interceptions and Touchdowns. I thought he played his ass off on a shitty defense.
Zombo
i guess if we're speaking in relative terms, you have a point. Comparing him though to other just avg LB'ers he can't do what they do almost routinely. He soaks up a lot of tackles on a Shiite defense that doesn't know how to tackle. I'll give him that. He's pawing those tackles from behind the runner almost every time and runners routinely get yards after contact on us, but he gets a tackle. The kind of LB'er performance I want out of a Browns MLB'er is approaching what Kuechly does. The range in coverage and the ability to be in the right gap, that's what I want. Is that asking a whole lot?
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I don't so much mind overpaying a little for a decent or slightly above average guy.
The turds are the ones that piss me off.
WSS
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Dansby was most cert not a bright spot. In his defense though, apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system. I'm still baffled by that. He lost all his field strength. But he's way overpriced for his production, even in the best of circumstances. It would be nice to keep a vet around to teach a new group of young LB'ers like Pgh is doing with Harrison.
Led the team in Total Tackles, Solo Tackles, Assists, Interceptions and Touchdowns. I thought he played his ass off on a shitty defense.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Led the team in Total Tackles, Solo Tackles, Assists, Interceptions and Touchdowns. I thought he played his ass off on a shitty defense.
Zombo
Just to add. Dansby had the Browns smack down of the year at Jets Goal line in Game 1. Loss weight may not have mattered on that one!!
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Zombo said:
Led the team in Total Tackles, Solo Tackles, Assists, Interceptions and Touchdowns. I thought he played his ass off on a shitty defense.
Zombo
Just to add. Dansby had the Browns smack down of the year at Jets Goal line in Game 1. Loss weight may not have mattered on that one!!
Just to add. Dansby had the Browns smack down of the year at Jets Goal line in Game 1. Loss weight may not have mattered on that one!!
and what since? he got routinely washed out of point of attack on probably 80% of the running plays against the Browns.
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I don't know about that. Dansby was one of the only bright spots on D, and Kirksey's going into his 3rd year.
I'd draft a LB for sure, but give those 2 a shot in Horton's system.
Dansby was most cert not a bright spot. In his defense though, apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system. I'm still baffled by that. He lost all his field strength. But he's way overpriced for his production, even in the best of circumstances. It would be nice to keep a vet around to teach a new group of young LB'ers like Pgh is doing with Harrison.
... apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system.
When did Dansby ever play at 260#?
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... apparently he had to lose 30lbs to play in pets system.
When did Dansby ever play at 260#?
When did Dansby ever play at 260#?
according to him that's what he played at Ariz. I know I thought that was high too but this was what Siragusa said on air....that Dansby told him he had to lose 30 lbs which put him at 228. I was thoroughly flummoxed myself on multiple levels. Why so heavy at Ariz, why so light now....wtf is Pettine doing with his 3-4 that Horton doesn't, what is the meaning of life etc, etc. Yeah it just made me scratch my head even harder. It seemed like Pettine was trying to get everyone to drop too much weight.
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and what since? he got routinely washed out of point of attack on probably 80% of the running plays against the Browns.
It's called scheme & Team Defense. watch Carolina's 4-3. when your d front can keep people off your LB's they make tackles..
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and what since? he got routinely washed out of point of attack on probably 80% of the running plays against the Browns.
It's called scheme & Team Defense. watch Carolina's 4-3. when your d front can keep people off your LB's they make tackles..
It's called scheme & Team Defense. watch Carolina's 4-3. when your d front can keep people off your LB's they make tackles..
oh I agree, but Kuechly makes his own way to the runner routinely whether someone's trying to block him or not. And Dansby routinely runs up into the wrong gap with no one on him. I don't know anymore if it's scheme or talent, I suspect it's both, I just want him gone..kirk too.
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It's called scheme & Team Defense. watch Carolina's 4-3. when your d front can keep people off your LB's they make tackles..
oh I agree, but Kuechly makes his own way to the runner routinely whether someone's trying to block him or not. And Dansby routinely runs up into the wrong gap with no one on him. I don't know anymore if it's scheme or talent, I suspect it's both, I just want him gone..kirk too.
oh I agree, but Kuechly makes his own way to the runner routinely whether someone's trying to block him or not. And Dansby routinely runs up into the wrong gap with no one on him. I don't know anymore if it's scheme or talent, I suspect it's both, I just want him gone..kirk too.
Plueeezzzzzzeee. after watching the Carolina- Seahawks game, there's probably not another 5 MLBs in the NFL that could sniff Kuechly's jockstrap. The guy has unbelievable range & instincts. That pass breakup showed how great he is.
Having a linebacker that great on the roster would help, but for the Browns you'd probably have to go back to Chip Banks to find someone that good. For the short attention spans that want Dansby gone- I think the same things were said about D'Qwell Jackson.
If I want to blame anyone- it's Farmer for gutting the defense, (Sheard, Rubin, Ward) and bringing in oldsters to replace them.
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oh I agree, but Kuechly makes his own way to the runner routinely whether someone's trying to block him or not. And Dansby routinely runs up into the wrong gap with no one on him. I don't know anymore if it's scheme or talent, I suspect it's both, I just want him gone..kirk too.
Plueeezzzzzzeee. after watching the Carolina- Seahawks game, there's probably not another 5 MLBs in the NFL that could sniff Kuechly's jockstrap. The guy has unbelievable range & instincts. That pass breakup showed how great he is.
Having a linebacker that great on the roster would help, but for the Browns you'd probably have to go back to Chip Banks to find someone that good. For the short attention spans that want Dansby gone- I think the same things were said about D'Qwell Jackson.
If I want to blame anyone- it's Farmer for gutting the defense, (Sheard, Rubin, Ward) and bringing in oldsters to replace them.
If I want to blame anyone- it's Farmer for gutting the defense, (Sheard, Rubin, Ward) and bringing in oldsters to replace them.
Yes, this sucks
I still have a fedora autographed by TJ Ward (it's all I had at the time)
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