Browns Hire Horton For D C
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IMHO Luke is the best linebacker to come out since Ray Ray. He's the complete package. So just saying 'find backers like Keuchley'... well, that shit just doesn't come around often.
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Yes, this sucks
I still have a fedora autographed by TJ Ward (it's all I had at the time)
I also have a TJ autograph. I met him at t Browns Backers banquet (along with Same Rutigliano) The thing that shocked me meeting him in person is for as hard as he hits- he's not that big. If you didn't know he was an NFL player, you'd pass him on the street.
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Yes, this sucks
I still have a fedora autographed by TJ Ward (it's all I had at the time)
I also have a TJ autograph. I met him at t Browns Backers banquet (along with Same Rutigliano) The thing that shocked me meeting him in person is for as hard as he hits- he's not that big. If you didn't know he was an NFL player, you'd pass him on the street.
I also have a TJ autograph. I met him at t Browns Backers banquet (along with Same Rutigliano) The thing that shocked me meeting him in person is for as hard as he hits- he's not that big. If you didn't know he was an NFL player, you'd pass him on the street.
Yea I made that observation too. He was also with haden (but I didn't get his autograph) haden isn't that big either
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oh I agree, but Kuechly makes his own way to the runner routinely whether someone's trying to block him or not. And Dansby routinely runs up into the wrong gap with no one on him. I don't know anymore if it's scheme or talent, I suspect it's both, I just want him gone..kirk too.
Plueeezzzzzzeee. after watching the Carolina- Seahawks game, there's probably not another 5 MLBs in the NFL that could sniff Kuechly's jockstrap. The guy has unbelievable range & instincts. That pass breakup showed how great he is.
Having a linebacker that great on the roster would help, but for the Browns you'd probably have to go back to Chip Banks to find someone that good. For the short attention spans that want Dansby gone- I think the same things were said about D'Qwell Jackson.
If I want to blame anyone- it's Farmer for gutting the defense, (Sheard, Rubin, Ward) and bringing in oldsters to replace them.
Plueeezzzzzzeee. after watching the Carolina- Seahawks game, there's probably not another 5 MLBs in the NFL that could sniff Kuechly's jockstrap. The guy has unbelievable range & instincts. That pass breakup showed how great he is.
Having a linebacker that great on the roster would help, but for the Browns you'd probably have to go back to Chip Banks to find someone that good. For the short attention spans that want Dansby gone- I think the same things were said about D'Qwell Jackson.
If I want to blame anyone- it's Farmer for gutting the defense, (Sheard, Rubin, Ward) and bringing in oldsters to replace them.
Funny thing is, as good as the Browns have been in the course of history....they have never had a HOF LB play for them.
Bill Willis was listed as a "Middle Guard"....but I think that may have been more of a nose tackle like position.
Clay Matthews has been probably the best.....and apparently the powers that be do not think of him as being a HOF LB...as he is not in....nor gotten very close. Jim Houston may be next. For a short stint, yes, Chip Banks may have been among the best the Browns ever had.
But overall, it has not been a position of strength historically for the Browns. They have done better with DL and DBs.
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The Cleveland Browns have contacted Jim Schwartz about becoming the team's defensive coordinator, a league source told ESPN'S Paul Kuharsky.
However, the Eagles and Jaguars also have contacted Schwartz, and he is considering his options. He would have preferred to work for the Titans, but Dick LeBeau is staying in Tennessee.
The Browns have been in touch with former coordinator Ray Horton in addition to Schwartz. Horton is under contract with Tennessee and said he is discussing an extension with the Titans, but the Titans could let him out of his deal. It appears Schwartz or Horton are in line to be defensive coordinator under new coach Hue Jackson.
The NFL Network reported that Horton would interview with the Browns this week.
Schwartz was coach of the Lions from 2009-2013, and spent 2014 in Buffalo. He replaced Mike Pettine, whom the Browns hired to be their coach. He was a college and pro scout from 1993 to 1995 with the Browns under Bill Belichick.
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The Cleveland Browns have contacted Jim Schwartz about becoming the team's defensive coordinator, a league source told ESPN'S Paul Kuharsky.
However, the Eagles and Jaguars also have contacted Schwartz, and he is considering his options. He would have preferred to work for the Titans, but Dick LeBeau is staying in Tennessee.
The Browns have been in touch with former coordinator Ray Horton in addition to Schwartz. Horton is under contract with Tennessee and said he is discussing an extension with the Titans, but the Titans could let him out of his deal. It appears Schwartz or Horton are in line to be defensive coordinator under new coach Hue Jackson.
The NFL Network reported that Horton would interview with the Browns this week.
Schwartz was coach of the Lions from 2009-2013, and spent 2014 in Buffalo. He replaced Mike Pettine, whom the Browns hired to be their coach. He was a college and pro scout from 1993 to 1995 with the Browns under Bill Belichick.
Maybe not:
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The Cleveland Browns have contacted Jim Schwartz about becoming the team's defensive coordinator, a league source told ESPN'S Paul Kuharsky.
However, the Eagles and Jaguars also have contacted Schwartz, and he is considering his options. He would have preferred to work for the Titans, but Dick LeBeau is staying in Tennessee.
The Browns have been in touch with former coordinator Ray Horton in addition to Schwartz. Horton is under contract with Tennessee and said he is discussing an extension with the Titans, but the Titans could let him out of his deal. It appears Schwartz or Horton are in line to be defensive coordinator under new coach Hue Jackson.
The NFL Network reported that Horton would interview with the Browns this week.
Schwartz was coach of the Lions from 2009-2013, and spent 2014 in Buffalo. He replaced Mike Pettine, whom the Browns hired to be their coach. He was a college and pro scout from 1993 to 1995 with the Browns under Bill Belichick.
Hopefully, the Schwartz is with us.
Zombo
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Oh please make this be true
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Getting Schwartz in here would be great.
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I saw Schwartz likely to land with eagles, but who knows.
I also heard Mike Singletary as possible Browns target. And Ray Horton has an interview this week I guess.
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Horton is supposedly both taking an interview with us and negotiating a deal with his current employer.
... and suddenly "Maggie May" plays in Tour's head...
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Here ya go!
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From what I've heard, we really wanted Jim Schwartz, but so did many other teams. Schwartz had a destination in mind (I forget which team), but it doesn't look like he got offered the job he wanted. So now it's anyone's guess, but he has options. It's unknown if he will consider the Cleveland job.
Horton appears excited at the prospect to returning to Cleveland. Hue Jackson is well liked and well respected, so that could be a big part of it. Horton might also feel like he has unfinished business here (like 100 other coaches), and probably wants to come back to right the ship. Horton is NOT my favorite candidate, but he is a guy with a lot of experience. His Tennessee defenses weren't ever very good, but it wasn't like he had a ton of talent either.
Schwartz is appealing to many because I THINK he runs more of a 4-3 style of defense, and many Browns fans and analysts are getting tired of the 3-4 look, which we never got correct. Mostly because we never had the linebackers for it. Anyways, just my thoughts.
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Actually this is the most important hurdle in my opinion. If somebody plans to reconstruct the defense who do we have that could easily make the transition?
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Actually this is the most important hurdle in my opinion. If somebody plans to reconstruct the defense who do we have that could easily make the transition?
WSS
Actually this is the most important hurdle in my opinion. If somebody plans to reconstruct the defense who do we have that could easily make the transition?
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From OLB to DE? Off the top of my head, Mingo, Orchard and Armonty were all college DEs. Kruger should have no problem - he's not exactly a pass coverage linebacker as we've seen.
In the middle, Desmond Bryant was a 4-3 DT IIRC in Oakland before coming here. Shelton and Meder? Not sure.
Dansby as the Mike is probably fine, though I don't know enough to be sure.
Robertson, Kirksey as OLBs? Not sure.
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all of them can technically make the change to 4-3, easily. It's what they're built for anyway. But as we can see, 3-4 or 4-3 this team isn't that talented. I guess the only caveat is that if we switch to a 4-3 we can tell Bryant and Kruger to get back up around 280. You'll see them hold up on the edge better and just maybe Kruger gets some of his strength back. Mingo cannot be a DE in a 4-3 though. He's the cover OLB'er in that scheme. Something that he "might" be good at. I'll bet he'd be a nasty blitzing 4-3 OLB'er. Just ask him to go out in coverage and blitz every now and then and leave the run stopping at the point to Dansby or Robertson. Personally I see Robertson as our best and most instinctive run stopper.
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We probably have a few players that could make the transition, but I think it's safe to say that it would take a couple seasons before we could get the defense adequately staffed. I mean, it's not like we could do THAT much worse, ya know? It's still a big unknown, as going to a 4-3 is far from a certainty. In fact, Ray Horton is the likely candidate, and he runs that "Dick Labeau" attacking 3-4 style (if memory serves me correct). About the only thing I remember from Ray Horton's defense was us giving up a touchdown almost every time in the red zone, and just constantly blitzing virtually every damn play.
Schwartz appears to be desired by many teams, and I don't know if he'll consider Cleveland. If we DO somehow get him, and we aren't completely sold on Goff at #2, then we go Bosa for sure.
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