Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I agree Steve. Pet might still have a job had he played JM more and spent less time worried about what he did off the field.
For a few reasons, in an alternate universe.I agree Steve. Pet might still have a job had he played JM more and spent less time worried about what he did off the field.
A if in fact his attitude has been better had he been given a starting position earlier.
B if he had continued to learn from on field mistakes and improve his play.
C if there really was a conflict between the coach and the owner then:
C1 if the team is more successful with Johnny the owner is happier, or
C2 Johnny's play is obviously substandard and the owner sees that first hand.
(how much worse could our record be?
D by starting him he appears to be more valuable to the team and would have more trade value if that is the ultimate goal.
So, as in directors cut or video games there might be alternative endings.
A Mike Pettine keeps his job
B the Cleveland Browns have a starting quarterback
C some other team spends their first round pick on Jared Goff while the Cleveland Browns repair their defense.
D Dallas coughs up a second round pick for Johnny
E Mr Spock has a beard.
WSS
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There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.
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With Manziel I *never* cared about the supposed partying, going to vegas, courtside seats, expired tag, etc...he's never done anything truly bad(or at least been caught for it), so stuff like him going to a party in austin on an off week is completely ok by me.
My doubting Manziel(then and now) has always been about whether he can be good enough. Whether he has a fundamental skill set that would transfer to the nfl. I didnt think so when we drafted him, and I don't think so now.
But I bet he's a pretty good guy, and I dont care if he goes out to clubs.....jesus. The big loser in all of this is Mike Pettine, who looked like a fool trying to be JMs babysitter. Good riddance to that loser. Everyday that he is not the head coach of our team is a good day.
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The issue isn't going out and partying. It's missing mandatory team events, lying to coaches, doing cocaine in a bathroom?, and all of the negative attention. A starting QB who is swerving and speeding on the shoulder while leaving bruises on his girlfriend isn't a good look for the Cleveland Browns (or Johnny Manziel, for that matter).
His skill set doesn't help either, though.
His off-field stuff directly affects Johnny the person, Johnny the player, and the Browns negatively. I personally can't wait to shit can him.
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There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.
His girlfriend goes to school there. He bought some good tequila. We know he drinks, do they have to report every time he goes to liquor store now?There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.
Z
--The only thing that would be news is if he were in Cleveland working out.
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The issue isn't going out and partying. It's missing mandatory team events, lying to coaches, doing cocaine in a bathroom?, and all of the negative attention. A starting QB who is swerving and speeding on the shoulder while leaving bruises on his girlfriend isn't a good look for the Cleveland Browns (or Johnny Manziel, for that matter).
His skill set doesn't help either, though.
His off-field stuff directly affects Johnny the person, Johnny the player, and the Browns negatively. I personally can't wait to shit can him.
The issue isn't going out and partying. It's missing mandatory team events, lying to coaches, doing cocaine in a bathroom?, and all of the negative attention. A starting QB who is swerving and speeding on the shoulder while leaving bruises on his girlfriend isn't a good look for the Cleveland Browns (or Johnny Manziel, for that matter).
His skill set doesn't help either, though.
His off-field stuff directly affects Johnny the person, Johnny the player, and the Browns negatively. I personally can't wait to shit can him.
but there is no evidence he did cocaine in a bathroom. There are so many assumptions that have to be made there(from the one pic about a year and a half ago or so) that there is no value in mentioning it. As for 'all the negative attention'....a lot of that is because the media reports these irrelevant/trivial things and then some of us(and others) talk about it and that counts as attention. That's not a problem for johnny imo. Like the very story above you linked....that's not a 'johnny problem'. That's more a problem for the reporters and outlets who decide to cover such a non-story to any degree. Silly to blame johnny for that.
And yes, johnny has made a few mistakes with missing mandatory meetings and whatnot. But that's not the end of the world imo. And he certainly isn't the first person to be late to or miss a meeting.
If Johnny's team meeting attendance were 100% and he was never late for anything, I'd still want to get rid of him because he doesn't have the ability to play qb in the nfl at a high level. But I never thought if he just stayed home every night and studied the playbook he would have the potential to be that. He didn't 'waste' something with these things.
Ad for cutting or trading him, this is what he wants.
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Cutting? Trading? We really have no idea what he wants. I haven't heard one single solitary quote from him saying he wanted to go to Dallas. Or anywhere else. Or anything else.
That's why a bullshit non story like spotting him in a liquor store makes it to the Browns board.
WSS
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With Manziel I *never* cared about the supposed partying, going to vegas, courtside seats, expired tag, etc...he's never done anything truly bad(or at least been caught for it), so stuff like him going to a party in austin on an off week is completely ok by me.
My doubting Manziel(then and now) has always been about whether he can be good enough. Whether he has a fundamental skill set that would transfer to the nfl. I didnt think so when we drafted him, and I don't think so now.
But I bet he's a pretty good guy, and I dont care if he goes out to clubs.....jesus. The big loser in all of this is Mike Pettine, who looked like a fool trying to be JMs babysitter. Good riddance to that loser. Everyday that he is not the head coach of our team is a good day.
Maybe "bullshit, Steve, but I did like this line:
"'He was in a really good mood,' said Swinney, who said she waited on the former Heisman Trophy winner from Texas A&M."
My doubting Manziel(then and now) has always been about whether he can be good enough. Whether he has a fundamental skill set that would transfer to the nfl. I didnt think so when we drafted him, and I don't think so now.
How does your doubting square with your earliest pronouncements such as this, your 4th post:
I think JF will get at least 2 whole seasons to prove himself, but after one whole season it will be so clear he is the franchise qb that this conversation will all seem silly.
Look Brandon weeden got a solid year and a half or so to stink, and weeden wasn't 22 years old, wasn't a heisman winner, etc.....
I expect JF to play better next two weeks, but if he doesn't it's no big deal. This is HIS TEAM. For a LONG TIME.
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Frankly I'm in a good mood everytime I'm in the liquor store.
Often that's not the case if I am in the hardware store or the auto parts store or the Bureau of Motor Vehicles or my attorney's office....
WSS
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There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.
There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.
Beat me to it, BB.
Zombo said:
His girlfriend goes to school there. He bought some good tequila. We know he drinks, do they have to report every time he goes to liquor store now?
Z
--The only thing that would be news is if he were in Cleveland working out.
It's not that he was spotted in a liquor store Z- you ought to know that It's what he does with that liquor is a concern. LOL, every wine store in Dayton knows me on a first name basis. Like last year when security had to go to his place, and he was still hung over. BTW Z- I just checked the price on Don Julio- and Johnny either bought 3 fifths, or a 1.75. There be some partying going on.
And to his other apologists- I really want to hear a rational explanation from you what anyone would do with a rolled up bill in a restroom- other than snort some blow.
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There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.
Beat me to it, BB.
Zombo said:
His girlfriend goes to school there. He bought some good tequila. We know he drinks, do they have to report every time he goes to liquor store now?
Z
--The only thing that would be news is if he were in Cleveland working out.
It's not that he was spotted in a liquor store Z- you ought to know that It's what he does with that liquor is a concern. LOL, every wine store in Dayton knows me on a first name basis. Like last year when security had to go to his place, and he was still hung over. BTW Z- I just checked the price on Don Julio- and Johnny either bought 3 fifths, or a 1.75. There be some partying going on.
And to his other apologists- I really want to hear a rational explanation from you what anyone would do with a rolled up bill in a restroom- other than snort some blow.
Beat me to it, BB.
It's not that he was spotted in a liquor store Z- you ought to know that It's what he does with that liquor is a concern. LOL, every wine store in Dayton knows me on a first name basis. Like last year when security had to go to his place, and he was still hung over. BTW Z- I just checked the price on Don Julio- and Johnny either bought 3 fifths, or a 1.75. There be some partying going on.
And to his other apologists- I really want to hear a rational explanation from you what anyone would do with a rolled up bill in a restroom- other than snort some blow.
I'm an Manziel apologist now?
Unfortunately I have been 100% right on this kid all along.
We're moving on from this shitshow so I am not concerned in the least that he's still drinking.
He's gone. And I really don't care if we get anything for him. Cause it won't be much.
Zombo
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There's been a Johnny sighting. Back to boozing in Texas.
Beat me to it, BB.
Zombo said:
His girlfriend goes to school there. He bought some good tequila. We know he drinks, do they have to report every time he goes to liquor store now?
Z
--The only thing that would be news is if he were in Cleveland working out.
It's not that he was spotted in a liquor store Z- you ought to know that It's what he does with that liquor is a concern. LOL, every wine store in Dayton knows me on a first name basis. Like last year when security had to go to his place, and he was still hung over. BTW Z- I just checked the price on Don Julio- and Johnny either bought 3 fifths, or a 1.75. There be some partying going on.
And to his other apologists- I really want to hear a rational explanation from you what anyone would do with a rolled up bill in a restroom- other than snort some blow.
Beat me to it, BB.
It's not that he was spotted in a liquor store Z- you ought to know that It's what he does with that liquor is a concern. LOL, every wine store in Dayton knows me on a first name basis. Like last year when security had to go to his place, and he was still hung over. BTW Z- I just checked the price on Don Julio- and Johnny either bought 3 fifths, or a 1.75. There be some partying going on.
And to his other apologists- I really want to hear a rational explanation from you what anyone would do with a rolled up bill in a restroom- other than snort some blow.
Haven't you heard? Rolling up money is a more efficient than folding it.
I keep all of my bills rolled up in tight tubes now.
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"Wise guy always carries his money in a roll."
-Lefty Ruggerio
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Beat me to it, BB.
It's not that he was spotted in a liquor store Z- you ought to know that It's what he does with that liquor is a concern. LOL, every wine store in Dayton knows me on a first name basis. Like last year when security had to go to his place, and he was still hung over. BTW Z- I just checked the price on Don Julio- and Johnny either bought 3 fifths, or a 1.75. There be some partying going on.
And to his other apologists- I really want to hear a rational explanation from you what anyone would do with a rolled up bill in a restroom- other than snort some blow.
I'm an Manziel apologist now?
Unfortunately I have been 100% right on this kid all along.
We're moving on from this shitshow so I am not concerned in the least that he's still drinking.
He's gone. And I really don't care if we get anything for him. Cause it won't be much.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'm an Manziel apologist now?
Unfortunately I have been 100% right on this kid all along.
We're moving on from this shitshow so I am not concerned in the least that he's still drinking.
He's gone. And I really don't care if we get anything for him. Cause it won't be much.
Zombo
Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
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Zombo said:
I'm an Manziel apologist now?
Unfortunately I have been 100% right on this kid all along.
We're moving on from this shitshow so I am not concerned in the least that he's still drinking.
He's gone. And I really don't care if we get anything for him. Cause it won't be much.
Zombo
Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
Yes and we will be on the hook for his salary for the next couple years.
Sounds like the Browns are winning, Charlie Sheen style.
WSS
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Zombo said:
I'm an Manziel apologist now?
Unfortunately I have been 100% right on this kid all along.
We're moving on from this shitshow so I am not concerned in the least that he's still drinking.
He's gone. And I really don't care if we get anything for him. Cause it won't be much.
Zombo
Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
Yep, guess that is why I don't care anymore what he does ... actually if he did something fucked up again, that might be entertaining ... but buying a bottle of tequila ... well shit if you're going to drink, drink the good stuff. He can afford it. Even if he never plays another down.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
I'm an Manziel apologist now?
Unfortunately I have been 100% right on this kid all along.
We're moving on from this shitshow so I am not concerned in the least that he's still drinking.
He's gone. And I really don't care if we get anything for him. Cause it won't be much.
Zombo
Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
The only way we get anything is if more than 1 team is interested, and barring a miracle we're talking 6th round pick at best. At this point I think 0 teams want him and he'll end up playing in the CFL (I see Jerrah going for RG3).
Some quiet CFL team forum will gain thousands of new members and everybody will forever be in peace every time Johnny has a good game his fans will come back and say "told you so! you missed out big!"
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Z, that wasn't directed at you- more like hard core Johnny thumpers like PG who are still in denial about Johnny.
We're probably not getting jack for JM- Jerrah will probably just wait till we cut him.
Yes and we will be on the hook for his salary for the next couple years.
Sounds like the Browns are winning, Charlie Sheen style.
WSS
Yes and we will be on the hook for his salary for the next couple years.
Sounds like the Browns are winning, Charlie Sheen style.
WSS
Yep.
$4.6 Mil in dead cap
Maybe we will get it right one of these times.
7.6 Dead cap on Justin Gilbert by the way.
Hopefully we are done paying for Weeden and Richardson by now though.
Zombo
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Yes and we will be on the hook for his salary for the next couple years.
Sounds like the Browns are winning, Charlie Sheen style.
WSS
Yep.
$4.6 Mil in dead cap
Maybe we will get it right one of these times.
7.6 Dead cap on Justin Gilbert by the way.
Hopefully we are done paying for Weeden and Richardson by now though.
Zombo
Houston has to pay Weeden now right?Zombo said:
Yep.
$4.6 Mil in dead cap
Maybe we will get it right one of these times.
7.6 Dead cap on Justin Gilbert by the way.
Hopefully we are done paying for Weeden and Richardson by now though.
Zombo
Chud? Pettine? Bowe?
WSS
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Houston has to pay Weeden now right?Zombo said:
Yep.
$4.6 Mil in dead cap
Maybe we will get it right one of these times.
7.6 Dead cap on Justin Gilbert by the way.
Hopefully we are done paying for Weeden and Richardson by now though.
Zombo
Chud? Pettine? Bowe?
WSS
Houston has to pay Weeden now right?
Chud? Pettine? Bowe?
WSS
I think Cowboys paid for Weed this year, now he can move to the retirement home after two nice contracts.
Zombo
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