Browns Hire Horton For D C
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At at the end of the game, when everything's on the line...
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At at the end of the game, when everything's on the line...
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Joe Haden gets beat?
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That and unless I'm mistaken it seems like we were getting run on by big chunks at a time.
WSS
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I wasn't a fan of Horton's defense the first go around, but to be fair, the guy had one damn year and insufficient talent. My problem with him is that he appeared to blitz all the damn time, and we got our asses obliterated by every screen pass a team could throw. If it was 3rd down, we were blitzing. On one hand, it's fun to have an aggressive defense, but on the other, you can't be that predictable. You can blitz all you want if you have the correct personnel, but take a look at the red zone numbers when Horton was here. I don't have them off the top of my head, but I want to say we were basically at the bottom of the league, and we gave up a touchdown about every damn time a team was in the red zone.
The GOOD news is, Horton has enjoyed some success while serving as a DC, and he did quite well while in Arizona. So if we can give our coaches the required time to execute their vision, I like what we've put together so far. Not my favorite, but we have guys with experience.
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Albert Breer reporting. . .
So again, these Browns staff hires are done: Ray Horton, Pep Hamilton, Al Saunders, Kirby Wilson and Hal Hunter. Impressive haul for Hue.
I haven't seen Hal Hunter, is that as OL coach?
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He looks like a serial killer.
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This is BULLSHIT. I felt ok about the hue hire to start with, but him bringing back a RETREAD is BULLSHIT. I see some of you guys are trying to cherry pick various aspects of Horton's defense from his first go round with us. That's misleading at best, downright dishonesty at worst. You can cherry pick other stats from that defense that look like shit. But regardless of what stats one looks at, I watched that team. So did you guys. And at NO TIME did I feel the scheme was excellent or we had a defense to respect when it mattered. This idiot has been with like 4 different teams over the past 4-5 years.....RETREAD.
So this isn't a good sign. Anyone spinning it as a positive is FOS imo. Also, and this is a more minor point, but is Hue trying to run a football team or the rainbow coalition? I don't mean the color of the hires(I could care less about color)....what I mean is with seemingly every hire and potential hire there are stories about how him and the browns are working with this organization(likely a shakedown organization) to promote coaches of color and probably global warming and land mine safety and god knows what else. This is not the reason I hate the hire of Horton(the fact that he is an uninspiring retread hire is the reason), but it certainly doesnt help....
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Horton had us 9th best in yards allowed - while we were in the 20s in 2012, 2014, and 2015.
However as others are quick to point out our 3rd down and points allowed didn't look so good.
He was only here for a year though. Titans fans seemed to like him (though they're probably fine with Lebeau now I imagine). National media seems to consider it a good choice. It's only Browns fans that seem to think it's a bad choice.
Whatevs though - it was either him or Mike Singletary or some other bumfuck position coach. We were talking Lovie Smith and Leslie Frazier, but who the fuck wants to run a Tampa 2 defense. Jim Schwartz was the best name but the Eagles provide the best path for him to become a HC again.
The fear of hiring only "minority" coaches is irrational - and also untrue. In many circles Horton and Wilson are considered top guys for those jobs. Hamilton - maybe. Then we have Saunders, Hunter, and Tabor...
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This is BULLSHIT. I felt ok about the hue hire to start with, but him bringing back a RETREAD is BULLSHIT. I see some of you guys are trying to cherry pick various aspects of Horton's defense from his first go round with us. That's misleading at best, downright dishonesty at worst. You can cherry pick other stats from that defense that look like shit. But regardless of what stats one looks at, I watched that team. So did you guys. And at NO TIME did I feel the scheme was excellent or we had a defense to respect when it mattered. This idiot has been with like 4 different teams over the past 4-5 years.....RETREAD.
So this isn't a good sign. Anyone spinning it as a positive is FOS imo. Also, and this is a more minor point, but is Hue trying to run a football team or the rainbow coalition? I don't mean the color of the hires(I could care less about color)....what I mean is with seemingly every hire and potential hire there are stories about how him and the browns are working with this organization(likely a shakedown organization) to promote coaches of color and probably global warming and land mine safety and god knows what else. This is not the reason I hate the hire of Horton(the fact that he is an uninspiring retread hire is the reason), but it certainly doesnt help....
This is BULLSHIT. I felt ok about the hue hire to start with, but him bringing back a RETREAD is BULLSHIT. I see some of you guys are trying to cherry pick various aspects of Horton's defense from his first go round with us. That's misleading at best, downright dishonesty at worst. You can cherry pick other stats from that defense that look like shit. But regardless of what stats one looks at, I watched that team. So did you guys. And at NO TIME did I feel the scheme was excellent or we had a defense to respect when it mattered. This idiot has been with like 4 different teams over the past 4-5 years.....RETREAD.
So this isn't a good sign. Anyone spinning it as a positive is FOS imo. Also, and this is a more minor point, but is Hue trying to run a football team or the rainbow coalition? I don't mean the color of the hires(I could care less about color)....what I mean is with seemingly every hire and potential hire there are stories about how him and the browns are working with this organization(likely a shakedown organization) to promote coaches of color and probably global warming and land mine safety and god knows what else. This is not the reason I hate the hire of Horton(the fact that he is an uninspiring retread hire is the reason), but it certainly doesnt help....
Dude hasn't even coached a game yet and you're already pissed. Just proving my point that there are a lot of people around here who will never be happy no matter what this team does. All you want to do is bitch and moan about everything.
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horton hasnt ever coached a team witjh talent. And next year, when this talentless defense sucks again, im certain bad coaching will be the battle cry. again.
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horton hasnt ever coached a team witjh talent. And next year, when this talentless defense sucks again, im certain bad coaching will be the battle cry. again.
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horton hasnt ever coached a team witjh talent. And next year, when this talentless defense sucks again, im certain bad coaching will be the battle cry. again.
horton hasnt ever coached a team witjh talent. And next year, when this talentless defense sucks again, im certain bad coaching will be the battle cry. again.
maybe im wrong but I thought he was responsible for making Ariz a very good defense a few years ago, to which they've stayed a very good defense since.
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horton hasnt ever coached a team witjh talent. And next year, when this talentless defense sucks again, im certain bad coaching will be the battle cry. again.
maybe im wrong but I thought he was responsible for making Ariz a very good defense a few years ago, to which they've stayed a very good defense since.
maybe im wrong but I thought he was responsible for making Ariz a very good defense a few years ago, to which they've stayed a very good defense since.
That's what we thought the first go 'round.
AZ improved during his tenure from very bad in 2010 to middle of the pack in 2011-2012. Then in 2013 under Todd Bowles they made the jump to elite where they have pretty much remained for three years.
By the stats TN got worse, but the year preceding Ray's arrival could have been an anomaly.
Add it all up and it seems like a good "wait and see" situation...
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he's not just a retread because of what he did with the browns in 2013. It's his whole damn career the last half decade +.........tennessee's defense is fucking terrible. Yeah we can say "he doesnt have the players", but they are still terrible. And give up tons of big chunk plays, third down and long conversions, etc....watch the last qtr of the colts-titans game. That is one piss poor scheme.
And pep hamilton? Jesus christ.....he's the only guy alive who can make andrew luck look like he sucks.
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This is BULLSHIT. I felt ok about the hue hire to start with, but him bringing back a RETREAD is BULLSHIT. I see some of you guys are trying to cherry pick various aspects of Horton's defense from his first go round with us. That's misleading at best, downright dishonesty at worst. You can cherry pick other stats from that defense that look like shit. But regardless of what stats one looks at, I watched that team. So did you guys. And at NO TIME did I feel the scheme was excellent or we had a defense to respect when it mattered. This idiot has been with like 4 different teams over the past 4-5 years.....RETREAD.
So this isn't a good sign. Anyone spinning it as a positive is FOS imo. Also, and this is a more minor point, but is Hue trying to run a football team or the rainbow coalition? I don't mean the color of the hires(I could care less about color)....what I mean is with seemingly every hire and potential hire there are stories about how him and the browns are working with this organization(likely a shakedown organization) to promote coaches of color and probably global warming and land mine safety and god knows what else. This is not the reason I hate the hire of Horton(the fact that he is an uninspiring retread hire is the reason), but it certainly doesnt help....
This is BULLSHIT. I felt ok about the hue hire to start with, but him bringing back a RETREAD is BULLSHIT. I see some of you guys are trying to cherry pick various aspects of Horton's defense from his first go round with us. That's misleading at best, downright dishonesty at worst. You can cherry pick other stats from that defense that look like shit. But regardless of what stats one looks at, I watched that team. So did you guys. And at NO TIME did I feel the scheme was excellent or we had a defense to respect when it mattered. This idiot has been with like 4 different teams over the past 4-5 years.....RETREAD.
So this isn't a good sign. Anyone spinning it as a positive is FOS imo. Also, and this is a more minor point, but is Hue trying to run a football team or the rainbow coalition? I don't mean the color of the hires(I could care less about color)....what I mean is with seemingly every hire and potential hire there are stories about how him and the browns are working with this organization(likely a shakedown organization) to promote coaches of color and probably global warming and land mine safety and god knows what else. This is not the reason I hate the hire of Horton(the fact that he is an uninspiring retread hire is the reason), but it certainly doesnt help....
Hey bright eyes....EVERY "experienced" Coach EVERWHERE is a retread! Lighten up Francis!
If you're a Browns' Fan, just try supporting the Browns as a whole instead of bellyaching about everything.
Mike
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This is BULLSHIT. I felt ok about the hue hire to start with, but him bringing back a RETREAD is BULLSHIT. I see some of you guys are trying to cherry pick various aspects of Horton's defense from his first go round with us. That's misleading at best, downright dishonesty at worst. You can cherry pick other stats from that defense that look like shit. But regardless of what stats one looks at, I watched that team. So did you guys. And at NO TIME did I feel the scheme was excellent or we had a defense to respect when it mattered. This idiot has been with like 4 different teams over the past 4-5 years.....RETREAD.
So this isn't a good sign. Anyone spinning it as a positive is FOS imo. Also, and this is a more minor point, but is Hue trying to run a football team or the rainbow coalition? I don't mean the color of the hires(I could care less about color)....what I mean is with seemingly every hire and potential hire there are stories about how him and the browns are working with this organization(likely a shakedown organization) to promote coaches of color and probably global warming and land mine safety and god knows what else. This is not the reason I hate the hire of Horton(the fact that he is an uninspiring retread hire is the reason), but it certainly doesnt help....
Hey bright eyes....EVERY "experienced" Coach EVERWHERE is a retread! Lighten up Francis!
If you're a Browns' Fan, just try supporting the Browns as a whole instead of bellyaching about everything.
Mike
Hey bright eyes....EVERY "experienced" Coach EVERWHERE is a retread! Lighten up Francis!
If you're a Browns' Fan, just try supporting the Browns as a whole instead of bellyaching about everything.
Mike
He's not a Browns fan....he's a Johnny Manziel fan who only started posting when his boyfriend became the starter. He'll be gone from here soon enough with most of the other faggy fanboys who are only here because Johnny dipshit got drafted by the Browns.
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Source tells @NFLonFOX that @Browns have hired ex- @Titans DBs coach Louie Cioffi for the same position. Cioffi was with CLE in 2013
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yeah, it's time for Jackson to go. It really is. I mean how much more do we have to watch of this? Its' just evident this isn't going anywhere.
This post made me laugh out loud.
To flush the flush would be novel, even for the Browns...
They can claim they wanted Patricia the whole time, anyway...
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Hey bright eyes....EVERY "experienced" Coach EVERWHERE is a retread! Lighten up Francis!
If you're a Browns' Fan, just try supporting the Browns as a whole instead of bellyaching about everything.
Mike
He's not a Browns fan....he's a Johnny Manziel fan who only started posting when his boyfriend became the starter. He'll be gone from here soon enough with most of the other faggy fanboys who are only here because Johnny dipshit got drafted by the Browns.
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Hey bright eyes....EVERY "experienced" Coach EVERWHERE is a retread! Lighten up Francis!
If you're a Browns' Fan, just try supporting the Browns as a whole instead of bellyaching about everything.
Mike
He's not a Browns fan....he's a Johnny Manziel fan who only started posting when his boyfriend became the starter. He'll be gone from here soon enough with most of the other faggy fanboys who are only here because Johnny dipshit got drafted by the Browns.
He's not a Browns fan....he's a Johnny Manziel fan who only started posting when his boyfriend became the starter. He'll be gone from here soon enough with most of the other faggy fanboys who are only here because Johnny dipshit got drafted by the Browns.
You have issues.
Well, most of the Johnny Fan Club has already left the building. Mark's just stating the obvious.
I'm sure assuming when we draft Goff a bunch of Cal fans will get on board.
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