Jonathan Paul Manziel
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1) Patience. This was not the skittish Manziel from earlier games, the guy who was so eager to get out of pocket or eager to run. Manziel sat in the pocket and read the field. Manziel dropped back to throw 53 times. He was sacked six times. He left the pocket just 10 times. That's a new level of patience for a guy whose previous first instinct was to move at the first opportunity.
2) Pocket presence and awareness. One number from ESPN Stats & Information illustrates this: Manziel completed 83 percent from the pocket. After a week in which he was criticized for not being a guy who would drop back, plant and throw, Manziel did just that. And he completed 29-of-35 for 282 yards, a passer rating of 92.7. Manziel held the ball longer than three seconds on only 13 throws and more than four seconds on three throws. This may not border on the level of the loaves and fishes, but those numbers prompted double-takes.
3) He ran more judiciously. Manziel will never have a game when he doesn't scramble and/or run some. It's simply his nature. But in this game he was able to scramble and twice make big plays. The first came on the Browns second possession. He had already fumbled on that ugly first play, and had third-and-9 on the second drive after a near-interception on second down. Manziel got out of the pocket and found Travis Benjamin for a 61-yard pass that jumpstarted his day. In the third quarter, he avoided a rush and scampered up the middle. The play looked like a touchdown, but was ruled down at the one-foot line.
4) Third down. Heading into the game, Manziel for the season was 13-for-27 on third down, for 226 yards. That's less than a 50 percent completion rate. Against Pittsburgh, he went 10-for-12 for 140 yards. Josh McCown highlighted Manziel's third-down throw to Brian Hartline for 17 yards that converted a third-and-14. It went between two defenders, and was right on the money. "For me, that is what you are looking for in an NFL quarterback, a guy who can stand in there on third-and-long and make those throws," McCown said.
5) Mental toughness. Manziel heard a lot of negatives after the game against Cincinnati, from the media and from his coaches, who pointed out in laborious detail what he missed in that game and what he could do better. Then he started in Pittsburgh and on his first play had one of those "That's so Browns" plays as the ball fell out of his hand when he went to throw. Manziel then nearly threw an interception on the next possession. But instead of letting it get to him, on the road, in Pittsburgh, Manziel regrouped and had a 372-yard day. That showed something.
After Pittsburgh game ^
I guess that didn't happen.
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He didn't bolt too early, though, as the year progressed, and he and looked way better at seeing the whole field. That's what bullet #2 shows us.
I mean -- look how bad your boy Hoyer "Regressed" against Kansas City. They had a good unit, and Manziel is still very inexperienced.
And look how terribly Austin Davis fared against Pittsburgh a couple weeks later.
You are clearly not seeing, or wanting to see, what happened on the field. It's OK to be biased, everyone is to a degree.
I am too. I underestimated how big of an asshole he really was.
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“Here’s a guy that shows up to work every day excited. He puts in his preparation, so he grinds in the meeting room. He asks great questions. He brings up good points. Guys respect that. They can tell when he talks that he’s getting into that information when he’s out of the building and it carries over onto the practice field.
“They see a guy that’s competitive, that wants to win, goes out and works hard on the practice field and it carried over into the game. They see him in game, in the huddle, his presence and what he’s been able to do. That gets our guys going. When they see him frustrated after throwing a boneheaded interception and get after himself a little bit, there’s some respect there because they see how competitive he is.”
Who is Pettine talking about in this quote?
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“Here’s a guy that shows up to work every day excited. He puts in his preparation, so he grinds in the meeting room. He asks great questions. He brings up good points. Guys respect that. They can tell when he talks that he’s getting into that information when he’s out of the building and it carries over onto the practice field.
“They see a guy that’s competitive, that wants to win, goes out and works hard on the practice field and it carried over into the game. They see him in game, in the huddle, his presence and what he’s been able to do. That gets our guys going. When they see him frustrated after throwing a boneheaded interception and get after himself a little bit, there’s some respect there because they see how competitive he is.”
Who is Pettine talking about in this quote?
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I have to retire from discussing Johnny until after the draft or he gets cut. It's just not something worth contributing to
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1) Patience. This was not the skittish Manziel from earlier games, the guy who was so eager to get out of pocket or eager to run. Manziel sat in the pocket and read the field. Manziel dropped back to throw 53 times. He was sacked six times. He left the pocket just 10 times. That's a new level of patience for a guy whose previous first instinct was to move at the first opportunity.
2) Pocket presence and awareness. One number from ESPN Stats & Information illustrates this: Manziel completed 83 percent from the pocket. After a week in which he was criticized for not being a guy who would drop back, plant and throw, Manziel did just that. And he completed 29-of-35 for 282 yards, a passer rating of 92.7. Manziel held the ball longer than three seconds on only 13 throws and more than four seconds on three throws. This may not border on the level of the loaves and fishes, but those numbers prompted double-takes.
3) He ran more judiciously. Manziel will never have a game when he doesn't scramble and/or run some. It's simply his nature. But in this game he was able to scramble and twice make big plays. The first came on the Browns second possession. He had already fumbled on that ugly first play, and had third-and-9 on the second drive after a near-interception on second down. Manziel got out of the pocket and found Travis Benjamin for a 61-yard pass that jumpstarted his day. In the third quarter, he avoided a rush and scampered up the middle. The play looked like a touchdown, but was ruled down at the one-foot line.
4) Third down. Heading into the game, Manziel for the season was 13-for-27 on third down, for 226 yards. That's less than a 50 percent completion rate. Against Pittsburgh, he went 10-for-12 for 140 yards. Josh McCown highlighted Manziel's third-down throw to Brian Hartline for 17 yards that converted a third-and-14. It went between two defenders, and was right on the money. "For me, that is what you are looking for in an NFL quarterback, a guy who can stand in there on third-and-long and make those throws," McCown said.
5) Mental toughness. Manziel heard a lot of negatives after the game against Cincinnati, from the media and from his coaches, who pointed out in laborious detail what he missed in that game and what he could do better. Then he started in Pittsburgh and on his first play had one of those "That's so Browns" plays as the ball fell out of his hand when he went to throw. Manziel then nearly threw an interception on the next possession. But instead of letting it get to him, on the road, in Pittsburgh, Manziel regrouped and had a 372-yard day. That showed something.
After Pittsburgh game ^
I guess that didn't happen.
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372 yards and we scored 9 fucking points. So as long as we have a defense that's better than the 85 Bears, Johnny will be able to win a lot of games.
Or maybe a defense that can get the offense (regardless of the QB) on the field a lot more often than they do. I bet that could help in the scoring department.
You guys are so full of hate that you can't even see we were not scoring with anyone because a. the defense could not get them the ball and b. the offense could not keep them standing.
The Browns problem is far, far worse than one JFF. That will become evident if those two major problems are not resolved before the start of next season.
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Manziel to Gordon for ANOTHER Touchdown!!!! The Browns roll to an 8 game winning streak.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Manziel to Gordon for ANOTHER Touchdown!!!! The Browns roll to an 8 game winning streak.
You must have gotten hold of some real good stuff.
Thank god Trent Richardson picked up the blitz and Josh Cribbs drew quadruple coverage so Johnny fucktard had extra time to actually complete the pass.
To Dwayne Bowe.
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372 yards and we scored 9 fucking points. So as long as we have a defense that's better than the 85 Bears, Johnny will be able to win a lot of games.
Or maybe a defense that can get the offense (regardless of the QB) on the field a lot more often than they do. I bet that could help in the scoring department.
You guys are so full of hate that you can't even see we were not scoring with anyone because a. the defense could not get them the ball and b. the offense could not keep them standing.
The Browns problem is far, far worse than one JFF. That will become evident if those two major problems are not resolved before the start of next season.
Or maybe a defense that can get the offense (regardless of the QB) on the field a lot more often than they do. I bet that could help in the scoring department.
You guys are so full of hate that you can't even see we were not scoring with anyone because a. the defense could not get them the ball and b. the offense could not keep them standing.
The Browns problem is far, far worse than one JFF. That will become evident if those two major problems are not resolved before the start of next season.
It was actually more on the penalties in Pittsburgh territory and specifically their red zone. They were terrible that day. @Pittsburgh was easily Johnny's best performance.
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Manziel to Gordon for ANOTHER Touchdown!!!! The Browns roll to an 8 game winning streak.
You must have gotten hold of some real good stuff.
Thank god Trent Richardson picked up the blitz and Josh Cribbs drew quadruple coverage so Johnny fucktard had extra time to actually complete the pass.
To Dwayne Bowe.
You must have gotten hold of some real good stuff.
To Dwayne Bowe.
Hell...if you're gonna dream....dream really really really big.. Manziel with the play fake first to Richardson and then fakes to Cribbs on the end around....both of them then block 200 guys in order to give Manzidiot enough time to run around behind the line like an idiot and complete a 90 yard bomb to Dwayne Bowe to clinch a Super Bowl win for the Browns....
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Ha! Excellent, BB-8.
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bb +2 LOL!
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Or maybe a defense that can get the offense (regardless of the QB) on the field a lot more often than they do. I bet that could help in the scoring department.
You guys are so full of hate that you can't even see we were not scoring with anyone because a. the defense could not get them the ball and b. the offense could not keep them standing.
The Browns problem is far, far worse than one JFF. That will become evident if those two major problems are not resolved before the start of next season.
It was actually more on the penalties in Pittsburgh territory and specifically their red zone. They were terrible that day. @Pittsburgh was easily Johnny's best performance.
It was actually more on the penalties in Pittsburgh territory and specifically their red zone. They were terrible that day. @Pittsburgh was easily Johnny's best performance.
Yep, sadly, it was.
He didn't play too bad, and I won't ride him too hard for the nine points, because I think he was in on that touchdown run (even though he followed the penalties up with an INT) so he could have/ should have had another TD there.
But then Pettine handed him the job after that game and he fucked it up before the bye week was over.
So what are you going to do?
If you are Hue Jackson, and you have your one big opportunity, are you are hitching your wagon to this kid?
No, you are not.
"Good luck kid, I hope things work out well for you."
Zombo
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A very reasonable post Z. I would not hitch my career on him either at this point.
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What if manziel ends up in Houston with hoyer? We can all have a good laugh.
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