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The Titans are open to trading their number 1 pick. No wonder they pick first every year. If Goff goes number 1 in a trade then Cleveland should go Bosa and quarterback at 32. Goff just isn't Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck! He might be more Blane Gabbert or Christian Ponder.
I don't think any team is dumb enough to trade up for any of these QBs. We shall see after the Combine.
The Titans are open to trading their number 1 pick. No wonder they pick first every year. If Goff goes number 1 in a trade then Cleveland should go Bosa and quarterback at 32. Goff just isn't Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck! He might be more Blane Gabbert or Christian Ponder.
I don't think any team is dumb enough to trade up for any of these QBs. We shall see after the Combine.
Be ready for the shitstorm you are going to get for having an opinion like that
err.....well....like mine.
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Greg Cosell says Goff is a better prospect than Winston (remember that I said it first though right)
I like Cosell a lot more than some of the other losers - although the other losers also say that Goff is the best, so it's virtually unanimous.
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Greg Cosell says Goff is a better prospect than Winston (remember that I said it first though right)
I like Cosell a lot more than some of the other losers - although the other losers also say that Goff is the best, so it's virtually unanimous.
Greg Cosell says Goff is a better prospect than Winston (remember that I said it first though right)
I like Cosell a lot more than some of the other losers - although the other losers also say that Goff is the best, so it's virtually unanimous.
Greg Cosell has as much credibility as Howard Cosell reporting on the assasination of the President of San Marcos.
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Greg Cosell says Goff is a better prospect than Winston (remember that I said it first though right)
I like Cosell a lot more than some of the other losers - although the other losers also say that Goff is the best, so it's virtually unanimous.
Greg Cosell has as much credibility as Howard Cosell reporting on the assasination of the President of San Marcos.
Greg Cosell has as much credibility as Howard Cosell reporting on the assasination of the President of San Marcos.
Hey...he's pretty good. He does a nice job breaking down film compared to the other NFL analyst schleps.
But then again it's not just him saying it
We don't really know the real professional opinions, but maybe the Browns will commission another $100,000 study
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Greg Cosell has as much credibility as Howard Cosell reporting on the assasination of the President of San Marcos.
Hey...he's pretty good. He does a nice job breaking down film compared to the other NFL analyst schleps.
But then again it's not just him saying it
We don't really know the real professional opinions, but maybe the Browns will commission another $100,000 study
Hey...he's pretty good. He does a nice job breaking down film compared to the other NFL analyst schleps.
But then again it's not just him saying it
We don't really know the real professional opinions, but maybe the Browns will commission another $100,000 study
Well, BB8, we know you have a man crush on Goff. So any and every thing out there in the world that has some positivity toward him, you are going to reference here.
So, don't think unkind of us if we take it all with a grain of salt.
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Couple of points tour - on Goff's leadership, the team went from 1-11 before he joined, to 8-5 this year. Can't be certain, but I'm guessing there's at least decent leadership there.
On Prescott, I've seen nothing to endear me to him.
Maybe I'm missing something? I'm watching the LSU game right now...
Agree on Goff's leadership. Not a big question, but I've nothing but inferences that it's "OK". But even that leaves a great deal of range as to how much of an asset it is. From lightweight like Hoyer/Dalton to infectious like Winston to black-hole gravitas of Brady/Brees/Manning.
Prescott... he's a kid I've watched grow over three years, but you don't have to go back that far, just keep moving forward.
LSU was early 2015. IIRC you also should be noticing how mechanical he looks... very stiff in the pocket. This was new in 2016 and it actually regressed him some early in the season. As the year progresses you'll see this soften a little... stiff becomes "calm"... and his performance improve. Some of this is due to MSU Offense's growth, but a lot of it was Dak IMO... and a lot of Dak's growth looked to be between the ears.
I just have a feeling he will continue to grow at the next level making him a good value pick.
Agree on Goff's leadership. Not a big question, but I've nothing but inferences that it's "OK". But even that leaves a great deal of range as to how much of an asset it is. From lightweight like Hoyer/Dalton to infectious like Winston to black-hole gravitas of Brady/Brees/Manning.
Prescott... he's a kid I've watched grow over three years, but you don't have to go back that far, just keep moving forward.
LSU was early 2015. IIRC you also should be noticing how mechanical he looks... very stiff in the pocket. This was new in 2016 and it actually regressed him some early in the season. As the year progresses you'll see this soften a little... stiff becomes "calm"... and his performance improve. Some of this is due to MSU Offense's growth, but a lot of it was Dak IMO... and a lot of Dak's growth looked to be between the ears.
I just have a feeling he will continue to grow at the next level making him a good value pick.
OK, I'm watching the (bowl?) game against NC State. Some improvements, but I'm still seeing the same weird ass jumping mechanics when throwing on the run, still seeing poor decision making (tucking and running in to the back of an OL when he should throw the ball away), not checking out of bad matchups. He made some nice throws, including one intermediate out to the near sideline that was perfectly in stride, but most seemed to me to be a function of play design.
He also seems to lack any 'zip' on intermediate routes and in both games I'm yet to see him attempt a pass of more than maybe 30 yards, unless I missed it. Accuracy is *ok* but not great. He's also small-ish, like a Bridgewater frame, but is still a run-centric QB and so there's inevitable question marks about his long term durability. Like a RB who's had a lot of carries in college, a QB who's taken a lot of hits will have question marks.
Overall, I would not expect us to draft him, based on his style of play not fitting with Hue Jackson's pocket passer mantra, but you could see him maybe going to SF or somewhere as a solid project/backup. A good spot for him might even be Carolina.
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If Goff goes #1 overall to somebody else than I think it would be stupid to not take Joey Bosa. But stupid is as stupid does and stupid might as well be the byline under the Browns header. We'll probably panic and take Paxton Lynch #2.
If Goff goes #1 overall to somebody else than I think it would be stupid to not take Joey Bosa. But stupid is as stupid does and stupid might as well be the byline under the Browns header. We'll probably panic and take Paxton Lynch #2.
If Goff DOES go number one, then I tend to agree with you. Like I've mentioned in other posts, the only problem I can see with Bosa is how he's better suited to a 4-3 DE, and his transition to OLB is unknown. That being said, I'm not as familiar with Bosa as other posters because I don't watch a great deal of OSU football. If it's determined that the kid CAN make the transition, I don't see how we couldn't take the guy. The only thing I could see would be a trade down, and those are much easier said than done. I could see a 4-3 team falling in love with him and PERHAPS offering us a nice package. I would only do the trade if we could stay in the top third of the first round. I'm not going into the 20's...hell no. If we somehow trade back...say...with Jacksonville (I seriously doubt it), I think we could take Jalen Ramsey. By the time the combine comes around, Ramsey's stock will be sky high. He's going to go bananas on the testing drills.
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Agree on Goff's leadership. Not a big question, but I've nothing but inferences that it's "OK". But even that leaves a great deal of range as to how much of an asset it is. From lightweight like Hoyer/Dalton to infectious like Winston to black-hole gravitas of Brady/Brees/Manning.
Prescott... he's a kid I've watched grow over three years, but you don't have to go back that far, just keep moving forward.
LSU was early 2015. IIRC you also should be noticing how mechanical he looks... very stiff in the pocket. This was new in 2016 and it actually regressed him some early in the season. As the year progresses you'll see this soften a little... stiff becomes "calm"... and his performance improve. Some of this is due to MSU Offense's growth, but a lot of it was Dak IMO... and a lot of Dak's growth looked to be between the ears.
I just have a feeling he will continue to grow at the next level making him a good value pick.
OK, I'm watching the (bowl?) game against NC State. Some improvements, but I'm still seeing the same weird ass jumping mechanics when throwing on the run, still seeing poor decision making (tucking and running in to the back of an OL when he should throw the ball away), not checking out of bad matchups. He made some nice throws, including one intermediate out to the near sideline that was perfectly in stride, but most seemed to me to be a function of play design.
He also seems to lack any 'zip' on intermediate routes and in both games I'm yet to see him attempt a pass of more than maybe 30 yards, unless I missed it. Accuracy is *ok* but not great. He's also small-ish, like a Bridgewater frame, but is still a run-centric QB and so there's inevitable question marks about his long term durability. Like a RB who's had a lot of carries in college, a QB who's taken a lot of hits will have question marks.
Overall, I would not expect us to draft him, based on his style of play not fitting with Hue Jackson's pocket passer mantra, but you could see him maybe going to SF or somewhere as a solid project/backup. A good spot for him might even be Carolina.
OK, I'm watching the (bowl?) game against NC State. Some improvements, but I'm still seeing the same weird ass jumping mechanics when throwing on the run, still seeing poor decision making (tucking and running in to the back of an OL when he should throw the ball away), not checking out of bad matchups. He made some nice throws, including one intermediate out to the near sideline that was perfectly in stride, but most seemed to me to be a function of play design.
He also seems to lack any 'zip' on intermediate routes and in both games I'm yet to see him attempt a pass of more than maybe 30 yards, unless I missed it. Accuracy is *ok* but not great. He's also small-ish, like a Bridgewater frame, but is still a run-centric QB and so there's inevitable question marks about his long term durability. Like a RB who's had a lot of carries in college, a QB who's taken a lot of hits will have question marks.
Overall, I would not expect us to draft him, based on his style of play not fitting with Hue Jackson's pocket passer mantra, but you could see him maybe going to SF or somewhere as a solid project/backup. A good spot for him might even be Carolina.
Agree... not a Browns's candidate. But if I had a starter that ran and wanted a similar back-up to develop...
Other thoughts:
- Much thicker than Teddy B.
- Trying hard to think of a QB that does not hop as they throw on the run...
- Yes... definitely a running QB that is still trying to transition... there's a reason he's my darkhorse...
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The Rodgers example first isn't a roll out, but the Brees one is moreso. In the slow-mo, see he throws in stride. Compare with Dak:
I guess my question to you is, what positive attributes do you see in him that make him a dark horse, not just another not-very-good, run-first QB?
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Not seeing much of any example in the Pro vid... the one roll-out by Brees he's still drifting slightly backwards and throws when that case do tend to be back-foot throws.
With Prescott it's just a feeling of an improvement path he's on continuing. It may be years before he has success. He may never have success. Right now he's simply my highest value sleeper candidate, but I will be checking out more. Dak seems to be getting more Day 2 ratings than even I thought he's get at this point. I initially thought he might be an early Day 3 guy.
Every year I try to find at least one QB prospect down the board whose potential seems to outweigh their ranking...
Last year it was Bryce Petty R4...
2014 was AJ McCarron R5...
2013 was no one...
2012 was Tannehill until he took off, then it was Foles R3.
There are a couple prior, but I did not put in much time or effort pre-2011.
Not a great display of prognostication, but not completely suck-ass either (with a lot of TBD)... at least until you see Foles was taken between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins...
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Not seeing much of any example in the Pro vid... the one roll-out by Brees he's still drifting slightly backwards and throws when that case do tend to be back-foot throws.
With Prescott it's just a feeling of an improvement path he's on continuing. It may be years before he has success. He may never have success. Right now he's simply my highest value sleeper candidate, but I will be checking out more. Dak seems to be getting more Day 2 ratings than even I thought he's get at this point. I initially thought he might be an early Day 3 guy.
Every year I try to find at least one QB prospect down the board whose potential seems to outweigh their ranking...
Last year it was Bryce Petty R4...
2014 was AJ McCarron R5...
2013 was no one...
2012 was Tannehill until he took off, then it was Foles R3.
There are a couple prior, but I did not put in much time or effort pre-2011.
Not a great display of prognostication, but not completely suck-ass either (with a lot of TBD)... at least until you see Foles was taken between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins...
Not seeing much of any example in the Pro vid... the one roll-out by Brees he's still drifting slightly backwards and throws when that case do tend to be back-foot throws.
With Prescott it's just a feeling of an improvement path he's on continuing. It may be years before he has success. He may never have success. Right now he's simply my highest value sleeper candidate, but I will be checking out more. Dak seems to be getting more Day 2 ratings than even I thought he's get at this point. I initially thought he might be an early Day 3 guy.
Every year I try to find at least one QB prospect down the board whose potential seems to outweigh their ranking...
Last year it was Bryce Petty R4...
2014 was AJ McCarron R5...
2013 was no one...
2012 was Tannehill until he took off, then it was Foles R3.
There are a couple prior, but I did not put in much time or effort pre-2011.
Not a great display of prognostication, but not completely suck-ass either (with a lot of TBD)... at least until you see Foles was taken between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins...
Not drafting Petty really hurt me.
I'm tentatively looking in on Frohnapfel and Doughty, but haven't watched anything on them yet. Just like what I saw on paper.
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Not seeing much of any example in the Pro vid... the one roll-out by Brees he's still drifting slightly backwards and throws when that case do tend to be back-foot throws.
With Prescott it's just a feeling of an improvement path he's on continuing. It may be years before he has success. He may never have success. Right now he's simply my highest value sleeper candidate, but I will be checking out more. Dak seems to be getting more Day 2 ratings than even I thought he's get at this point. I initially thought he might be an early Day 3 guy.
Every year I try to find at least one QB prospect down the board whose potential seems to outweigh their ranking...
Last year it was Bryce Petty R4...
2014 was AJ McCarron R5...
2013 was no one...
2012 was Tannehill until he took off, then it was Foles R3.
There are a couple prior, but I did not put in much time or effort pre-2011.
Not a great display of prognostication, but not completely suck-ass either (with a lot of TBD)... at least until you see Foles was taken between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins...
Not drafting Petty really hurt me.
I'm tentatively looking in on Frohnapfel and Doughty, but haven't watched anything on them yet. Just like what I saw on paper.
Not drafting Petty really hurt me.
I'm tentatively looking in on Frohnapfel and Doughty, but haven't watched anything on them yet. Just like what I saw on paper.
Frohnapfel plays sat. Shrine Bowl NFL Network
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cover32Browns said:
What do you think about the Browns going after Cousins or RG3? My guess, they will draft Goff with the 2nd pick.
http://cover32.com/2016/01/21/nfl-draft-2016-cleveland-browns-select/
http://cover32.com/2016/01/15/you-like-that-kirk-cousins-playing-for-cleveland-makes-sense/
Cousins isn't going ANYWHERE. Look at his stats for the last ten games of the season. Washington isn't letting that guy go, promise.
As far as RGIII...I think we're looking at a Colin Kaepernick type situation. NFL defenses caught up to the "read option" nonsense, and RG III will have to prove both that he can stay healthy, and that he can operate a typical NFL offense. I'm not a pro scout, and I don't have the faintest idea whether he has the tools to work in Hue Jackson's system. My guess is that he doesn't, but it's just a guess.
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I guess in a way I would agree with Gipper but then Tour is a guy who knows his shit and if he thinks Goff is the third best in 5 or 10 years I at least consider it. Who is a guy who knows his shit and if he thinks Goff is the third best in 5 or 10 years I at least consider it.
Aw shucks... and thanks, but give due credit to bb who was on Goff first here.
Still working my way through the QB candidates (with Wentz next in the queue), but so far Goff is the guy. I see nothing below average in him. Arm has a 55-yard-ish range. Everything else is above average with his head leading the way. I see football smarts easily a match for Winston with no signs of the baggage. Leadership? Last big unknown...
So far Lynch is a distant 2nd. Just the opposite results from Goff. Big advantages in all the throwing measures, but his head is well short of where a Pro QB needs to be.
Prescott is still my 2015 value, dark-horse, leader in the clubhouse. If I wanted this draft's best chance to emerge as a Russell Wilson clone...
Aw shucks... and thanks, but give due credit to bb who was on Goff first here.
Still working my way through the QB candidates (with Wentz next in the queue), but so far Goff is the guy. I see nothing below average in him. Arm has a 55-yard-ish range. Everything else is above average with his head leading the way. I see football smarts easily a match for Winston with no signs of the baggage. Leadership? Last big unknown...
So far Lynch is a distant 2nd. Just the opposite results from Goff. Big advantages in all the throwing measures, but his head is well short of where a Pro QB needs to be.
Prescott is still my 2015 value, dark-horse, leader in the clubhouse. If I wanted this draft's best chance to emerge as a Russell Wilson clone...
Well we certainly have our Hasselbeck in place.
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How about Sam Bradford? There's an article on PFF about his potential landing spots and they mention us. (I'd link it but this crappy laptop never wants to paste.)
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How about Sam Bradford? There's an article on PFF about his potential landing spots and they mention us. (I'd link it but this crappy laptop never wants to paste.)
How about Sam Bradford? There's an article on PFF about his potential landing spots and they mention us. (I'd link it but this crappy laptop never wants to paste.)
I wouldn't be devastated, I think he's probably got decent value coming off a 'meh' season in an offense not suited to his skills. Signing him of course frees us up to get Bosa in the draft.
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For all the crap you guys give the Johnny fans you sure do spend a lot of time getting boners over the bumss of the league.
WSS
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For all the crap you guys give the Johnny fans you sure do spend a lot of time getting boners over the bumss of the league.
WSS
For all the crap you guys give the Johnny fans you sure do spend a lot of time getting boners over the bumss of the league.
WSS
The crap Johnny gets is not related to talent, for the most part.
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For all the crap you guys give the Johnny fans you sure do spend a lot of time getting boners over the bumss of the league.
WSS
The crap Johnny gets is not related to talent, for the most part.
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