Browns Unlikely To Trade Up
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Sashi Brown says it would be 'shocking' if the browns traded up with the Titans. If anything we're likely to move down.
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I've said it before, the good news is there's no "one every 10 year player" in this draft (Clowney, Luck etc). Don't take that as there isn't great players to take at number, but the "hype" isn't going to be there for a team to trade above us. With that being said, we're only likely to miss out on Bosa/Tunsil/a few other prospects but not a QB. It definitely doesn't make any sense to move up in that regard.
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I think most of us felt that our new "analytical" approach would virtually derail any trade up to the #1 pick. Giving up resources when you're trying to build from next to nothing is difficult to stomach. Trouble is, we need a QB, so there's that. Hopefully we have another QB candidate rated high enough to take with the second pick. I'm not even sure trading down is a good idea. Several of the teams behind us might not need a QB, but you never know who they could trade with, and we don't want to get burned. If we grade a QB out high enough, and we think he can be the guy, then we take him at #2...no matter what.
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How far could we trade down and still get Goff......I think next team that needs a QB after us are maybe the 49rs ......that is without anyone trading up
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Sashi Brown says it would be 'shocking' if the browns traded up with the Titans. If anything we're likely to move down.
Sashi Brown says it would be 'shocking' if the browns traded up with the Titans. If anything we're likely to move down.
Just been looking at the 3 mock drafts in side column, interesting note that all 3 have wentz off the board before lynch.
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All these statements are pretty much irrelevant at this point in the off season.
Though I don't think it's really any secret the chances of us trading to #1 are slim to none.
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How far could we trade down and still get Goff......I think next team that needs a QB after us are maybe the 49rs ......that is without anyone trading up
How far could we trade down and still get Goff......I think next team that needs a QB after us are maybe the 49rs ......that is without anyone trading up
For me the question would be how far we could trade down and still have either Goff or Wentz available. Either would be satisfactory if QB is what we want. But I'm still a defensive minded guy (just look at who is in the SB) first. I still take Bosa if he is there @ #2 overall. But Jackson is an O guy, so I have no doubt QB is where we go (sigh). I'm resigned.
But on the upside if we go QB first this year a rookie QB playing and our crappy D gives us a good shot next year for Miles Garrett. Just ask Denver how Von Miller has worked out as a pass rusher. I know one was OLB and the other DE, but they are both premier pass rushers, which is what the Browns need more than anything other than QB.
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I've said it before, the good news is there's no "one every 10 year player" in this draft (Clowney, Luck etc). Don't take that as there isn't great players to take at number, but the "hype" isn't going to be there for a team to trade above us. With that being said, we're only likely to miss out on Bosa/Tunsil/a few other prospects but not a QB. It definitely doesn't make any sense to move up in that regard.
I've said it before, the good news is there's no "one every 10 year player" in this draft (Clowney, Luck etc). Don't take that as there isn't great players to take at number, but the "hype" isn't going to be there for a team to trade above us. With that being said, we're only likely to miss out on Bosa/Tunsil/a few other prospects but not a QB. It definitely doesn't make any sense to move up in that regard.
Luck, sure, but...Clowney? He's been in the league two years now and done diddly.
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In terms of trading down, there are a few prospects that would be good value around 6-12, but might not make a lot of people happy. Ramsay, Hargreaves at CB, Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith at LB. Neither are QBs or big WRs that get people wet in the underwear area. Though, Elliott would make a lot of people here happy.
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I've said it before, the good news is there's no "one every 10 year player" in this draft (Clowney, Luck etc). Don't take that as there isn't great players to take at number, but the "hype" isn't going to be there for a team to trade above us. With that being said, we're only likely to miss out on Bosa/Tunsil/a few other prospects but not a QB. It definitely doesn't make any sense to move up in that regard.
Luck, sure, but...Clowney? He's been in the league two years now and done diddly.
Luck, sure, but...Clowney? He's been in the league two years now and done diddly.
I think he meant in the lead up to the draft, nobody can foresee injury, especially one as serious as clowneys.
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Just take the damn best player and stop dicking around with wanting to trade down for third rate talent like Hargreaves.
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Just take the damn best player and stop dicking around with wanting to trade down for third rate talent like Hargreaves.
Just take the damn best player and stop dicking around with wanting to trade down for third rate talent like Hargreaves.
So pass of Goff and take Bosa? Quite a turnaround for you bb.
Welcome aboard.
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So pass of Goff and take Bosa? Quite a turnaround for you bb.
Welcome aboard.
Bosa probably won't even end up the best DE/OLB in this draft when it's all said and done. There's a ton of good talent there in this draft.
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I think most of us felt that our new "analytical" approach would virtually derail any trade up to the #1 pick. Giving up resources when you're trying to build from next to nothing is difficult to stomach. Trouble is, we need a QB, so there's that. Hopefully we have another QB candidate rated high enough to take with the second pick. I'm not even sure trading down is a good idea. Several of the teams behind us might not need a QB, but you never know who they could trade with, and we don't want to get burned. If we grade a QB out high enough, and we think he can be the guy, then we take him at #2...no matter what.
I think most of us felt that our new "analytical" approach would virtually derail any trade up to the #1 pick.
Or analytics might make a "can't miss" case for a single player...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So pass of Goff and take Bosa? Quite a turnaround for you bb.
Welcome aboard.
Bosa probably won't even end up the best DE/OLB in this draft when it's all said and done. There's a ton of good talent there in this draft.
Bosa probably won't even end up the best DE/OLB in this draft when it's all said and done. There's a ton of good talent there in this draft.
barring injury, and not going to some dumbass 3-4 team who's DC thinks he'd make an outstanding cover OLB"er.......he's going to be one of the best DE's in the entire league in 3-4 years, if not "the" best.
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I think he meant in the lead up to the draft, nobody can foresee injury, especially one as serious as clowneys.
Right, Clowney was remarked as the best DE prospect of the last 10 years when he came out. People like Wentz and Goff it seems, but neither one will get that "Andrew Luck" label which is just fine. 95% of franchise dudes don't get that grade either.
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I think he meant in the lead up to the draft, nobody can foresee injury, especially one as serious as clowneys.
Right, Clowney was remarked as the best DE prospect of the last 10 years when he came out. People like Wentz and Goff it seems, but neither one will get that "Andrew Luck" label which is just fine. 95% of franchise dudes don't get that grade either.
Right, Clowney was remarked as the best DE prospect of the last 10 years when he came out. People like Wentz and Goff it seems, but neither one will get that "Andrew Luck" label which is just fine. 95% of franchise dudes don't get that grade either.
I think Bosa's getting similar levels of praise, though maybe not quite so much of it. A lot of Clowney's hype came from *that* hit.
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Right, Clowney was remarked as the best DE prospect of the last 10 years when he came out. People like Wentz and Goff it seems, but neither one will get that "Andrew Luck" label which is just fine. 95% of franchise dudes don't get that grade either.
I think Bosa's getting similar levels of praise, though maybe not quite so much of it. A lot of Clowney's hype came from *that* hit.
I think Bosa's getting similar levels of praise, though maybe not quite so much of it. A lot of Clowney's hype came from *that* hit.
Clowney was regarded more of a once in a generation type of player predraft iirc.
My point was more questioning your comment that he's done "diddly" and wondering how you can come to that assumption when he missed nearly his entire rookie year with serious injury, and his second season (or the half that he played).
To me next season will be enormous for him, but its far too soon to suggest he won't realise his potential, obviously he needs to stay healthy and then perform, but I saw enough in his final couple of games this season to suggest he still could be a beast yet.
Just my opinion.
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He missed his rookie season and in his second season got 40 tackles and 4.5 sacks. Playing opposite JJ Watt. For two years, for a 'generational' talent that was supposed to come in and dominate, I call that diddly. Mingo had more sacks in his rookie year, for example.
I'm not saying he won't go on and become a good player, or even a pro-bowl player, but he's not exactly done much to date.
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Agree... I do not think injury takes "diddly" off of the table.
And "the hit" did fuel the hype, but Clowney had a freakish explosion off of the ball to support the hype. The question was his "desire" and no characteristic is tested more by injury than desire.
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