"That Is One Big Mofo"
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I remember back in the late 80's the seahags drafted a big 6ft6" QB by the name of Dan McGuire and he sucked really bad...
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This guy is like 5 1/2 inches taller than Manziel. I think JF hands are bigger though.
hasn't dropped a bottle yet!
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HA!!
that could go a couple of ways chris. money or drugs?
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βDan Kadar @MockingTheDraft
Carson Wentz of North Dakota State officially measures 6'5 1/4, 233 pounds.
Dan Kadar β@MockingTheDraft
Again, 10-inch hands, 32 3/8-inch arm length, 78-inch wingspan. An NFL person by me "That is one big motherfucker."
I'll take "Things No Woman Has Ever Said To Ghoolie In The Heat Of The Moment" for 1,000.
I'll take "Things No Woman Has Ever Said To Ghoolie In The Heat Of The Moment" for 1,000.
LOL LOL
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Was definitely never concerned about his size, and the crazy thing about Wentz is he was something like 5'7 and 150 pounds as a freshman, LOL. (I could be a little off, but it was something like that).
I've said for a while (as well as many people) that Wentz could skyrocket with a good combine and pro day. Not sure we could take him with the #2, but if he grades out high enough, we just might if Goff is higher. Or we might have Wentz rated higher...who knows. Kind of reminds me of the Bortles situation, ya know? The Jags ended up taking him pretty early, and they caught a bit of flack for that. I admire that they found their guy, took him no matter where they were, and developed him. Oh, and they gave him an excellent WR corp...what a concept.
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Was definitely never concerned about his size, and the crazy thing about Wentz is he was something like 5'7 and 150 pounds as a freshman, LOL. (I could be a little off, but it was something like that).
I've said for a while (as well as many people) that Wentz could skyrocket with a good combine and pro day. Not sure we could take him with the #2, but if he grades out high enough, we just might if Goff is higher. Or we might have Wentz rated higher...who knows. Kind of reminds me of the Bortles situation, ya know? The Jags ended up taking him pretty early, and they caught a bit of flack for that. I admire that they found their guy, took him no matter where they were, and developed him. Oh, and they gave him an excellent WR corp...what a concept.
Was definitely never concerned about his size, and the crazy thing about Wentz is he was something like 5'7 and 150 pounds as a freshman, LOL. (I could be a little off, but it was something like that).
I've said for a while (as well as many people) that Wentz could skyrocket with a good combine and pro day. Not sure we could take him with the #2, but if he grades out high enough, we just might if Goff is higher. Or we might have Wentz rated higher...who knows. Kind of reminds me of the Bortles situation, ya know? The Jags ended up taking him pretty early, and they caught a bit of flack for that. I admire that they found their guy, took him no matter where they were, and developed him. Oh, and they gave him an excellent WR corp...what a concept.
Yeah, what a concept. If only we'd drafted and developed a couple of receivers with thousand yards seasons and added a pro-bowl tight end for our QB to throw to next year. If only.
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Was definitely never concerned about his size, and the crazy thing about Wentz is he was something like 5'7 and 150 pounds as a freshman, LOL. (I could be a little off, but it was something like that).
I've said for a while (as well as many people) that Wentz could skyrocket with a good combine and pro day. Not sure we could take him with the #2, but if he grades out high enough, we just might if Goff is higher. Or we might have Wentz rated higher...who knows. Kind of reminds me of the Bortles situation, ya know? The Jags ended up taking him pretty early, and they caught a bit of flack for that. I admire that they found their guy, took him no matter where they were, and developed him. Oh, and they gave him an excellent WR corp...what a concept.
and they gave him an excellent WR corp...what a concept.
Heresy, heresy!! Everyone knows you make it to the SB with midgets, UDS failers and rainBowes.
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Here's what I think about Wentz vs Goff:
- Goff is better at making reads, better accuracy, better footwork, better awareness (he never looks at pressure but he always knows where it is), and is much quicker going through progressions (he is also always light on his feet and turning his body as he scans the field - similar to Rodgers). Wentz tends to lock on to his first read and predetermines a lot of throws. He leads guys too far sometimes, is more raw in all these categories.
- Wentz has ideal size, more arm strength, and is more athletic.
- Wentz played in a "pro-style" system except he did it against non-NFL talent, and only did it for 1 1/2 years worth of games.
- Wentz broke his throwing wrist in october 2015 - missed 2+ months of action after surgery. Also broke is forearm or something in high school IIRC
- Wentz is almost 2 years older than Goff (23 versus 21). You can put Goff in a pro system for 1 1/2 years and he'd be younger than Wentz is today - with more experience than Wentz has today.
The only reason anybody is rating Wentz so high is because of potential. Ok he could become Joe Flacco or he could become Blaine Gabbert.
Enough of the ideal size arm strength bull shit. Take the damn guy who's younger and does everything else well enough to be much closer to a "sure thing"
Wentz is the guy we should trade up to #22 for, Goff is the guy we should take at #2. Just sayin'
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pick a QB at 2. 22 has become a curse for QBs in the brown's org.
now if i were confident that the browns could trade down out of 2 and grab their #1 rated QB somewhere still in the top ten and garner another pick ........great!
but we are talking the browns here.
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Here's what I think about Wentz vs Goff:
- Goff is better at making reads, better accuracy, better footwork, better awareness (he never looks at pressure but he always knows where it is), and is much quicker going through progressions (he is also always light on his feet and turning his body as he scans the field - similar to Rodgers). Wentz tends to lock on to his first read and predetermines a lot of throws. He leads guys too far sometimes, is more raw in all these categories.
- Wentz has ideal size, more arm strength, and is more athletic.
- Wentz played in a "pro-style" system except he did it against non-NFL talent, and only did it for 1 1/2 years worth of games.
- Wentz broke his throwing wrist in october 2015 - missed 2+ months of action after surgery. Also broke is forearm or something in high school IIRC
- Wentz is almost 2 years older than Goff (23 versus 21). You can put Goff in a pro system for 1 1/2 years and he'd be younger than Wentz is today - with more experience than Wentz has today.
The only reason anybody is rating Wentz so high is because of potential. Ok he could become Joe Flacco or he could become Blaine Gabbert.
Enough of the ideal size arm strength bull shit. Take the damn guy who's younger and does everything else well enough to be much closer to a "sure thing"
Wentz is the guy we should trade up to #22 for, Goff is the guy we should take at #2. Just sayin'
Here's what I think about Wentz vs Goff:
- Goff is better at making reads, better accuracy, better footwork, better awareness (he never looks at pressure but he always knows where it is), and is much quicker going through progressions (he is also always light on his feet and turning his body as he scans the field - similar to Rodgers). Wentz tends to lock on to his first read and predetermines a lot of throws. He leads guys too far sometimes, is more raw in all these categories.
- Wentz has ideal size, more arm strength, and is more athletic.
- Wentz played in a "pro-style" system except he did it against non-NFL talent, and only did it for 1 1/2 years worth of games.
- Wentz broke his throwing wrist in october 2015 - missed 2+ months of action after surgery. Also broke is forearm or something in high school IIRC
- Wentz is almost 2 years older than Goff (23 versus 21). You can put Goff in a pro system for 1 1/2 years and he'd be younger than Wentz is today - with more experience than Wentz has today.
The only reason anybody is rating Wentz so high is because of potential. Ok he could become Joe Flacco or he could become Blaine Gabbert.
Enough of the ideal size arm strength bull shit. Take the damn guy who's younger and does everything else well enough to be much closer to a "sure thing"
Wentz is the guy we should trade up to #22 for, Goff is the guy we should take at #2. Just sayin'
Wentz could be Flacco or Blaine Gabbert.....Goff IS Blaine Gabbert.
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Here's what I think about Wentz vs Goff:
- Goff is better at making reads, better accuracy, better footwork, better awareness (he never looks at pressure but he always knows where it is), and is much quicker going through progressions (he is also always light on his feet and turning his body as he scans the field - similar to Rodgers). Wentz tends to lock on to his first read and predetermines a lot of throws. He leads guys too far sometimes, is more raw in all these categories.
- Wentz has ideal size, more arm strength, and is more athletic.
- Wentz played in a "pro-style" system except he did it against non-NFL talent, and only did it for 1 1/2 years worth of games.
- Wentz broke his throwing wrist in october 2015 - missed 2+ months of action after surgery. Also broke is forearm or something in high school IIRC
- Wentz is almost 2 years older than Goff (23 versus 21). You can put Goff in a pro system for 1 1/2 years and he'd be younger than Wentz is today - with more experience than Wentz has today.
The only reason anybody is rating Wentz so high is because of potential. Ok he could become Joe Flacco or he could become Blaine Gabbert.
Enough of the ideal size arm strength bull shit. Take the damn guy who's younger and does everything else well enough to be much closer to a "sure thing"
Wentz is the guy we should trade up to #22 for, Goff is the guy we should take at #2. Just sayin'
Wentz could be Flacco or Blaine Gabbert.....Goff IS Blaine Gabbert.
Wentz could be Flacco or Blaine Gabbert.....Goff IS Blaine Gabbert.
I don't see how you come to that conclusion when nobody else does - I don't think you've even seen Goff play tbh
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Wentz could be Flacco or Blaine Gabbert.....Goff IS Blaine Gabbert.
I don't see how you come to that conclusion when nobody else does - I don't think you've even seen Goff play tbh
I don't see how you come to that conclusion when nobody else does - I don't think you've even seen Goff play tbh
Similar size, similar arm strength....similar inconsistency. And I have seen him play....against Utah where he was bad.....and another game.....can't recall which......very mediocre there as well.
Have I watched every single game he has played? No. But the samplings I have seen have not impressed me at all.
Are you telling me that the only times I have seen him have been his only bad games?
Well, to quote Bill Belichick: I can only go by what I see.
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I don't see how you come to that conclusion when nobody else does - I don't think you've even seen Goff play tbh
Similar size, similar arm strength....similar inconsistency. And I have seen him play....against Utah where he was bad.....and another game.....can't recall which......very mediocre there as well.
Have I watched every single game he has played? No. But the samplings I have seen have not impressed me at all.
Are you telling me that the only times I have seen him have been his only bad games?
Well, to quote Bill Belichick: I can only go by what I see.
Similar size, similar arm strength....similar inconsistency.
Actually Blaine Gabbert was more like Wentz
6'5, 235, 10" hands. Was regarded as more athletic and was known for having exceptional arm strength.
I think you're the only one saying Goff is like Gabbert
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Was definitely never concerned about his size, and the crazy thing about Wentz is he was something like 5'7 and 150 pounds as a freshman, LOL. (I could be a little off, but it was something like that).
I've said for a while (as well as many people) that Wentz could skyrocket with a good combine and pro day. Not sure we could take him with the #2, but if he grades out high enough, we just might if Goff is higher. Or we might have Wentz rated higher...who knows. Kind of reminds me of the Bortles situation, ya know? The Jags ended up taking him pretty early, and they caught a bit of flack for that. I admire that they found their guy, took him no matter where they were, and developed him. Oh, and they gave him an excellent WR corp...what a concept.
.. and heels dug in...
Was definitely never concerned about his size, and the crazy thing about Wentz is he was something like 5'7 and 150 pounds as a freshman, LOL. (I could be a little off, but it was something like that).
Slightly off as that is a HS story..
- Goff is better at making reads, better accuracy, better footwork, better awareness (he never looks at pressure but he always knows where it is), and is much quicker going through progressions (he is also always light on his feet and turning his body as he scans the field - similar to Rodgers). Wentz tends to lock on to his first read and predetermines a lot of throws. He leads guys too far sometimes, is more raw in all these categories.
This^... while I agree with the rest of the statement, the key factor needed a slight tweak IMO.
When one QB is already clearing the highest career hurdle a FBS QB can face while another has not showed the ability to clear a lower, Division I hurdle, there is no competition.
Someone above mentioned Bortles... given Wentz's very limited experience at QB, I think the better comp is Tannehill.
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Similar size, similar arm strength....similar inconsistency.
Actually Blaine Gabbert was more like Wentz
6'5, 235, 10" hands. Was regarded as more athletic and was known for having exceptional arm strength.
I think you're the only one saying Goff is like Gabbert
Actually Blaine Gabbert was more like Wentz
6'5, 235, 10" hands. Was regarded as more athletic and was known for having exceptional arm strength.
I think you're the only one saying Goff is like Gabbert
Slight Variations. An inch, a couple of pounds. For all I know they are both about like Gabbert.....from that standpoint that they should be viewed as potential NFL backup QBs.
Though, sure....maybe put on like 10 pounds and Wentz could become like Roethlisberger. Tall strong QB from smaller school. He would only need about 10 pounds.
Maybe Wentz is the guy. He has AFCN size.
But then, what about Lynch's size?
6'6" 225......he is an even bigger MOFO than Wentz.
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I like how all season long we talk about this QB or that QB not having it between the ears, or his mechanics aren't great, crumbles under pressure, can't read defenses, then draft time comes around and people are obsessed with size and arm strength.
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.. and heels dug in...
Was definitely never concerned about his size, and the crazy thing about Wentz is he was something like 5'7 and 150 pounds as a freshman, LOL. (I could be a little off, but it was something like that).
Slightly off as that is a HS story..
- Goff is better at making reads, better accuracy, better footwork, better awareness (he never looks at pressure but he always knows where it is), and is much quicker going through progressions (he is also always light on his feet and turning his body as he scans the field - similar to Rodgers). Wentz tends to lock on to his first read and predetermines a lot of throws. He leads guys too far sometimes, is more raw in all these categories.
This^... while I agree with the rest of the statement, the key factor needed a slight tweak IMO.
When one QB is already clearing the highest career hurdle a FBS QB can face while another has not showed the ability to clear a lower, Division I hurdle, there is no competition.
Someone above mentioned Bortles... given Wentz's very limited experience at QB, I think the better comp is Tannehill.
.. and heels dug in...
Slightly off as that is a HS story..
This^... while I agree with the rest of the statement, the key factor needed a slight tweak IMO.
When one QB is already clearing the highest career hurdle a FBS QB can face while another has not showed the ability to clear a lower, Division I hurdle, there is no competition.
Someone above mentioned Bortles... given Wentz's very limited experience at QB, I think the better comp is Tannehill.
Well.....see above. You don't have to play in a P5 conference to become a good NFL QB.....See BR, Flacco, Fitzgerald, Bortles, Romo, Kaepernick (still some potential), Carr
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