We have our VP of Player Personnel (Sources say)
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Hmmmmm, Harvard Browns. Oh well, I guess if they suck at football, we should have a pretty competitive chess team
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And another:
It's the President's personal property. I will never give up my tapes to a bunch of Kennedy-loving Harvard Democrat cocksuckers.
And again:
Harvard Class of Never
The President, however, suspected the worst. “He’s one of these Harvards, isn’t he?” Nixon asked. “I checked his record. He’s a Harvard, class of ’63.” 39 Actually, Cooke is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy.40 An imaginary Ivy League background was enough for Nixon. “The guys from the best family are most likely to develop that arrogance that puts them above the law,” Nixon said. “They all are that way. All these Harvard people.” Later, he added, “Remember that any intellectual is tempted to put himself above the law. That’s the rule that I’ve known all my life. Any intellectual, particularly—watch what schools they’re from. If they’re from any Eastern schools or Berkeley, those are particularly the potential bad ones.”41 Ellsberg, Halperin and Gelb were all think tank intellectuals with Ivy League degrees, and Nixon privately referred to them as “the three Jews. . . . Basically, who the hell are these people that stole the papers? It’s too bad. I’m sorry. I was hoping one of them would be a gentile.”42
So....if the Browns have all these Harvard guys in the front office....and they draft Goff....from Berkeley.....Tricky Dick would want to bomb the Browns out of existance.
Edited to pink so that certain people can tell that this is sarcasm.
And another:
It's the President's personal property. I will never give up my tapes to a bunch of Kennedy-loving Harvard Democrat cocksuckers.
And again:
Harvard Class of NeverThe President, however, suspected the worst. “He’s one of these Harvards, isn’t he?” Nixon asked. “I checked his record. He’s a Harvard, class of ’63.” 39 Actually, Cooke is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy.40 An imaginary Ivy League background was enough for Nixon. “The guys from the best family are most likely to develop that arrogance that puts them above the law,” Nixon said. “They all are that way. All these Harvard people.” Later, he added, “Remember that any intellectual is tempted to put himself above the law. That’s the rule that I’ve known all my life. Any intellectual, particularly—watch what schools they’re from. If they’re from any Eastern schools or Berkeley, those are particularly the potential bad ones.”41 Ellsberg, Halperin and Gelb were all think tank intellectuals with Ivy League degrees, and Nixon privately referred to them as “the three Jews. . . . Basically, who the hell are these people that stole the papers? It’s too bad. I’m sorry. I was hoping one of them would be a gentile.”42
So....if the Browns have all these Harvard guys in the front office....and they draft Goff....from Berkeley.....Tricky Dick would want to bomb the Browns out of existance.
Right, a failed president and con artists should be behind one of the biggest political scandals in history should be the model for the type of person the Browns should hire into their front office. I work in Cambridge at an institute affiliated with both MIT and Harvard and interact with people like Brown and Berry all the time. From what I've seen, we should be getting excited, not quoting Nixon's anti-intellectual bullshit.This is a great hire - exactly the opposite of what Browns typically have done.
Smart, unassuming, hard-working, and driven - of course Nixon wouldn't want to work with him, Gipper.. not because Berry is actually deserving of suspicion, but because Berry could spot Nixon's BS a mile away and show other people that the emperor's words have no clothes.. so Nixon had to attempt to poison the water first. Nixon's skill was conning people, and so he was instantly worried that anyone he couldn't con would ruin his ability to continue conning everyone else who was already under his spell.
Amen.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
An excellent front office. The hires are being lauded around the NFL.
That is impressive. These are very smart, personable guys who are highly
respected by NFL folks who know them, and it is obvious that they are smart
enough to let Coach Hue to BE head coach, and he'll be a great one.
Hue Gotta Believe !
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Hmmmmm, Harvard Browns. Oh well, I guess if they suck at football, we should have a pretty competitive chess team
Hmmmmm, Harvard Browns. Oh well, I guess if they suck at football, we should have a pretty competitive chess team
Revenge of the Nerds!
Z
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Hmmmmm, Harvard Browns. Oh well, I guess if they suck at football, we should have a pretty competitive chess team
we should have a pretty competitive chess team
Or, we might actually have a team that calls plays that aren't predictable? One that calls both a run and the play-action pass which faked that same run at the start?
You know.. chess.
I realize you wanted that comment to be an insult.... but the fact that you don't realize that the strategy is the same is.. sad, really.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
we should have a pretty competitive chess team
Or, we might actually have a team that calls plays that aren't predictable? One that calls both a run and the play-action pass which faked that same run at the start?
You know.. chess.
I realize you wanted that comment to be an insult.... but the fact that you don't realize that the strategy is the same is.. sad, really.
Or, we might actually have a team that calls plays that aren't predictable? One that calls both a run and the play-action pass which faked that same run at the start?
You know.. chess.
I realize you wanted that comment to be an insult.... but the fact that you don't realize that the strategy is the same is.. sad, really.
I don't get the anti-intellectual attitude a lot of people have on this board, and in this country, for that matter.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Or, we might actually have a team that calls plays that aren't predictable? One that calls both a run and the play-action pass which faked that same run at the start?
You know.. chess.
I realize you wanted that comment to be an insult.... but the fact that you don't realize that the strategy is the same is.. sad, really.
I don't get the anti-intellectual attitude a lot of people have on this board, and in this country, for that matter.
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Nobody getting a raise this year because of the new hires.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Nobody getting a raise this year because of the new hires.
Sashi probably getting a *big* raise. And Jimmy, because, why not?
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This is a great hire - exactly the opposite of what Browns typically have done.
Smart, unassuming, hard-working, and driven - of course Nixon wouldn't want to work with him, Gipper.. not because Berry is actually deserving of suspicion, but because Berry could spot Nixon's BS a mile away and show other people that the emperor's words have no clothes.. so Nixon had to attempt to poison the water first. Nixon's skill was conning people, and so he was instantly worried that anyone he couldn't con would ruin his ability to continue conning everyone else who was already under his spell.
This is a great hire - exactly the opposite of what Browns typically have done.
Smart, unassuming, hard-working, and driven - of course Nixon wouldn't want to work with him, Gipper.. not because Berry is actually deserving of suspicion, but because Berry could spot Nixon's BS a mile away and show other people that the emperor's words have no clothes.. so Nixon had to attempt to poison the water first. Nixon's skill was conning people, and so he was instantly worried that anyone he couldn't con would ruin his ability to continue conning everyone else who was already under his spell.
Sure....I posted that stuff about him just for fun......and right, we need balance: Get a Cornell guy!!
But, doesn't this photo look like Nixon is about to catch a football? The only thing is that he is doing his best Quincy Morgan imitation and looking away.
Can we say that Nixon dropped the ball in more ways than one?
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And another:
It's the President's personal property. I will never give up my tapes to a bunch of Kennedy-loving Harvard Democrat cocksuckers.
And again:
Harvard Class of NeverThe President, however, suspected the worst. “He’s one of these Harvards, isn’t he?” Nixon asked. “I checked his record. He’s a Harvard, class of ’63.” 39 Actually, Cooke is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy.40 An imaginary Ivy League background was enough for Nixon. “The guys from the best family are most likely to develop that arrogance that puts them above the law,” Nixon said. “They all are that way. All these Harvard people.” Later, he added, “Remember that any intellectual is tempted to put himself above the law. That’s the rule that I’ve known all my life. Any intellectual, particularly—watch what schools they’re from. If they’re from any Eastern schools or Berkeley, those are particularly the potential bad ones.”41 Ellsberg, Halperin and Gelb were all think tank intellectuals with Ivy League degrees, and Nixon privately referred to them as “the three Jews. . . . Basically, who the hell are these people that stole the papers? It’s too bad. I’m sorry. I was hoping one of them would be a gentile.”42
So....if the Browns have all these Harvard guys in the front office....and they draft Goff....from Berkeley.....Tricky Dick would want to bomb the Browns out of existance.
Right, a failed president and con artists should be behind one of the biggest political scandals in history should be the model for the type of person the Browns should hire into their front office. I work in Cambridge at an institute affiliated with both MIT and Harvard and interact with people like Brown and Berry all the time. From what I've seen, we should be getting excited, not quoting Nixon's anti-intellectual bullshit.This is a great hire - exactly the opposite of what Browns typically have done.
Smart, unassuming, hard-working, and driven - of course Nixon wouldn't want to work with him, Gipper.. not because Berry is actually deserving of suspicion, but because Berry could spot Nixon's BS a mile away and show other people that the emperor's words have no clothes.. so Nixon had to attempt to poison the water first. Nixon's skill was conning people, and so he was instantly worried that anyone he couldn't con would ruin his ability to continue conning everyone else who was already under his spell.
Amen.
Right, a failed president and con artists should be behind one of the biggest political scandals in history should be the model for the type of person the Browns should hire into their front office. I work in Cambridge at an institute affiliated with both MIT and Harvard and interact with people like Brown and Berry all the time. From what I've seen, we should be getting excited, not quoting Nixon's anti-intellectual bullshit.Amen.
Yea, OK, sorry that I didn't post the entire thread in PINK to demonstrate that I was being facetious. I will try to correct that for you.
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Hmmmmm, Harvard Browns. Oh well, I guess if they suck at football, we should have a pretty competitive chess team
Revenge of the Nerds!
Z
Zombo said:
Revenge of the Nerds!
Z
New unofficial Browns fight song?
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Or, we might actually have a team that calls plays that aren't predictable? One that calls both a run and the play-action pass which faked that same run at the start?
You know.. chess.
I realize you wanted that comment to be an insult.... but the fact that you don't realize that the strategy is the same is.. sad, really.
I don't get the anti-intellectual attitude a lot of people have on this board, and in this country, for that matter.
I don't get the anti-intellectual attitude a lot of people have on this board, and in this country, for that matter.
Again, half of it is facetious.
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Again, half of it is facetious.
See now the pink would've really helped.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Seems we are assembling the brightest of the bright ... but just had a scary thought:
Wouldn't this guy have been in the room with a big thumbs up when Banner and Lombardi dumped Trent Richardson on them for a first round draft pick?
Oh well, I'm OK with that ... make your mistakes with your first team and excel with your second team.
It worked for Belichick, don't see him drafting Tommy Vardell's in New England.
Zombo
--Actually, mistakes can happen with good people any time ... Bobby Beathard put together 4 Super Bows teams ... then drafted Ryan Leaf.
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Hue's prob got nothing to do with these hires.
i wonder if he feels as if the walls are starting to close in around him?
maybe they can hire hue 2 suits? one would be his 'yes' man the other would be his 'get the fuck out my face!' man.
I've no idea how good our new ScoutMaster is or could be, but of all the NFL organizations to raid for a personnel guy, how can Indy's be high on a list?
Hue's prob got nothing to do with these hires.
If that's the case, then it's his own fault since participating in this hire was one of the ballyhooed points during our HC search.
I don't get the anti-intellectual attitude a lot of people have on this board, and in this country, for that matter.
On the board... think Retard.
As for the country... because it suits the purpose of some very smart people.
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Pluto on the 28 year old Berry:
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Andrew Berry as the Browns new vice president of player personnel?This is yet another move that very few people saw coming from the most unique front office in the NFL.Berry is 28 years old. He has been the pro scouting coordinator for the Indianapolis Colts since 2012. It was his job to put together scouting reports and data on veteran players, then deliver the information to the coach and general manager. His bosses made the final decisions.Unless someone has inside knowledge of how Berry rated players, it's impossible to know much of his track record.It's possible the Browns do have someone who knows Berry well. That's Pep Hamilton, the Browns new assistant head coach for offense. Hamilton was the offensive coordinator with the Colts from 2013 through the middle of the 2015 season.The Browns made another smart move, hiring Harvard grad Andrew Berry as their Vice President of Player Personnel.The decision to hire the former Harvard football star fits in with the bold and fascinating approach the Browns have adopted with their front office.Berry graduated cum laude from Harvard with an economics degree. He has a Masters in computer science.He certainly can talk analytics with vice president Sashi Brown and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta.But I was told the Colts used very little analytics. They are more of a tradition football front office. Berry did normal scouting. But the Harvard background clearly makes him open to the new way the Browns will be doing business.WHAT ABOUT HUE?New coach Hue Jackson was supposed to have a major influence on the decision of who would be hired as the talent evaluator. Everyone from owner Jimmy Haslam to Sashi Brown to Jackson himself said as much.I don't think everyone was lying about that. One of the attractions of the job to Jackson was to be a part of the process of adding the key player personnel man.That means Jackson also wanted Berry. That brings the count of Harvard graduates to three in the front office. Brown and DePodesta also attended the elite Ivy League university.Those who know Jackson describe him as a traditional football coach.Look at his key assistants. There's defensive coordinator Ray Horton and special teams coach Chris Tabor, both veterans. The top offensive assistants are Al Saunders, Kirby Wilson, Hal Hunter and Pep Hamilton. These guys have been around the league for a long time.Jackson is surrounding himself with experience on the coaching staff.Yet, he signed off on Berry.Jackson knows that Berry is crucial to his success. That's because Berry should have a significant voice in picking players -- based on how the Browns described the job.So Jackson must sense something special about Berry. Jackson told some people close to him last night that he was impressed with Berry's grasp of football and scouting.WHO REALLY KNOWS?I'm not criticizing the hiring of Berry. The Browns are betting on intelligence, character, work ethic and potential. Berry arrives with those intangibles that often are prerequisites to success.One NFL executive didn't quite know what to make of Berry. But the executive told me that many of the other candidates interviewed were "underwhelming." He was talking about Brian Xanders, Martin Mayhew and Dennis Hickey. All are former general manager with spotty histories.Unlike Brown and DePodesta, Berry's experience (with the Colts since 2009) has been exclusively on the football side of the operation. That should help, but he has done very little college scouting.Right now, no one in the front office has set up a college draft board before. They do have veteran scouts such as Chisom Opara, Bobby Vega, Lake Dawson and Ron Hill.But this is a gamble. I was told Berry "blew away" the Browns during multiple interviews. He will have to prove that the faith shown in him by Haslam and the rest is deserved come draft weekend.Right now, no one in the front office has set up a college draft board before.Former Colts president Bill Polian issued this statement through the Browns:"Andrew Berry is one of the brightest young men we ever had the pleasure of working with. He came to us very early in his career and very soon we realized he was on a fast track. I am not surprised the Browns hired him for this very important position. I assure you he has both the capacity and the will to do an outstanding job. The Browns have made, in my humble opinion, a great hire."So in the draft where the Browns have the No. 2 and 32 picks, they have three rookies in charge -- Brown, DePodesta and Berry.Experience isn't everything. The Browns front office (2010-12) of president Mike Holmgren, general manager Tom Heckert and others were NFL lifers. Most of those drafts were a nightmare.Former GM Ray Farmer (2014-15) was an assistant general manager and pro player personnel director for eight years with Kansas City/Cleveland. He was a scout for five years. He had only two drafts, but early returns are disheartening.Can the front office collection of Brown/DePodesta/Berry, with its new approach to the draft, scouting and free agency, blend with the more traditional group of Jackson and his coaches?Should make for some lively meetings.This much is clear: The Browns are committed to analytics. It's a front office the likes of which has never been in charge of the Browns -- and perhaps any other NFL team.That makes the upcoming draft even more intriguing for Browns fans. -
Again, half of it is facetious.
See now the pink would've really helped.
See now the pink would've really helped.
Except I wasn't being sarcastic here one bit.
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Can the front office collection of Brown/DePodesta/Berry, with its new approach to the draft, scouting and free agency, blend with the more traditional group of Jackson and his coaches?Should make for some lively meetings.This much is clear: The Browns are committed to analytics. It's a front office the likes of which has never been in charge of the Browns -- and perhaps any other NFL team.That makes the upcoming draft even more intriguing for Browns fans.Not repeating the entire article....but it asks the question: Can this front office perform the job of drafting rookies and signing free agents well?My question it: Can they do any worse than the guys we have had running the show. I say not. I say that you and I and a computer with access to draft services like Kiper and CBS/Fox/NFL.com could have done just as well as these guys have done.So, I definitely count this as an upgrade.
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Can the front office collection of Brown/DePodesta/Berry, with its new approach to the draft, scouting and free agency, blend with the more traditional group of Jackson and his coaches?Should make for some lively meetings.This much is clear: The Browns are committed to analytics. It's a front office the likes of which has never been in charge of the Browns -- and perhaps any other NFL team.That makes the upcoming draft even more intriguing for Browns fans.Not repeating the entire article....but it asks the question: Can this front office perform the job of drafting rookies and signing free agents well?My question it: Can they do any worse than the guys we have had running the show. I say not. I say that you and I and a computer with access to draft services like Kiper and CBS/Fox/NFL.com could have done just as well as these guys have done.So, I definitely count this as an upgrade.Can the front office collection of Brown/DePodesta/Berry, with its new approach to the draft, scouting and free agency, blend with the more traditional group of Jackson and his coaches?Should make for some lively meetings.This much is clear: The Browns are committed to analytics. It's a front office the likes of which has never been in charge of the Browns -- and perhaps any other NFL team.That makes the upcoming draft even more intriguing for Browns fans.Not repeating the entire article....but it asks the question: Can this front office perform the job of drafting rookies and signing free agents well?My question it: Can they do any worse than the guys we have had running the show. I say not. I say that you and I and a computer with access to draft services like Kiper and CBS/Fox/NFL.com could have done just as well as these guys have done.So, I definitely count this as an upgrade.
I'll have to assume if it's going to be a quarterback @ #2, after crunching the analytics, Hue is going to have a huge- if not final- say on who we draft. I'm sure they'll interview, work out, and watch every snap Goff, Wentz, and Lynch have played. As well as interview college coaches and do some pretty thorough background checks- guaranteed we aren't drafting any barflies & head cases this time around
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