Camp Wentz- Starts here.
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I don't believe any of the qbs are worth a first round pick. I'd love to know when the notion came to be that the top qbs declared for the draft should automatically get plugged in, in the first round. If the Browns are smart they go with lukie another season and build up the team in other areas even if it means another dreadful season.
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If the Browns are to emulate Carolina's offense, then Hue better get some nasty built into that Oline and be ready to replace Erving with a road grader. The Panthers running game is no joke and one of the best in the league.
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If the Browns are to emulate Carolina's offense, then Hue better get some nasty built into that Oline and be ready to replace Erving with a road grader. The Panthers running game is no joke and one of the best in the league.
If the Browns are to emulate Carolina's offense, then Hue better get some nasty built into that Oline and be ready to replace Erving with a road grader. The Panthers running game is no joke and one of the best in the league.
You mean that offensive line with two undrafteds, a third round pick, a second round pick and a first round pick they signed in FA (who's pretty garbage).
It just goes to show you, it doesn't always matter where you draft them as long as you coach them up right.
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Doesn't hurt that Stewart is running behind that "coached up" line.
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I don't believe any of the qbs are worth a first round pick. I'd love to know when the notion came to be that the top qbs declared for the draft should automatically get plugged in, in the first round. If the Browns are smart they go with lukie another season and build up the team in other areas even if it means another dreadful season.
I don't believe any of the qbs are worth a first round pick. I'd love to know when the notion came to be that the top qbs declared for the draft should automatically get plugged in, in the first round. If the Browns are smart they go with lukie another season and build up the team in other areas even if it means another dreadful season.
Problem there Vag is twofold. First, the Natives are very restless. Yet another shit 3-4 wins isn't going to play in Parma very well. The positive option is should we pass on one of the quarterbacks- and manage to draft in the 10-12 range next year, we've shot ourselves in the foot as far as moving up to take a top signal caller. The word is build through the draft, and a RG III deal isn't in the Browns future.
I'm hesitant on Wentz, but Ben didn't exactly play against teams the level of Alabama every week in college either.
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I don't believe any of the qbs are worth a first round pick. I'd love to know when the notion came to be that the top qbs declared for the draft should automatically get plugged in, in the first round. If the Browns are smart they go with lukie another season and build up the team in other areas even if it means another dreadful season.
Problem there Vag is twofold. First, the Natives are very restless. Yet another shit 3-4 wins isn't going to play in Parma very well. The positive option is should we pass on one of the quarterbacks- and manage to draft in the 10-12 range next year, we've shot ourselves in the foot as far as moving up to take a top signal caller. The word is build through the draft, and a RG III deal isn't in the Browns future.
I'm hesitant on Wentz, but Ben didn't exactly play against teams the level of Alabama every week in college either.
Problem there Vag is twofold. First, the Natives are very restless. Yet another shit 3-4 wins isn't going to play in Parma very well. The positive option is should we pass on one of the quarterbacks- and manage to draft in the 10-12 range next year, we've shot ourselves in the foot as far as moving up to take a top signal caller. The word is build through the draft, and a RG III deal isn't in the Browns future.
I'm hesitant on Wentz, but Ben didn't exactly play against teams the level of Alabama every week in college either.
Are we comparing Wentz to Ben? I haven't seen one serious analyst say anything overwhelmingly positive about any of the qbs in this draft. If I were a dyed in the wool Browns fan id want them to pass on a qb this season and build up some support for the eventual qb. You otherwise find yourself throwing a young kid to the wolves because he has shit around him. I like barnyard and really think Duke Johnson can be good. I think Benjamin is a solid number three or a decent two but he's sure as shit isn't a one. Hartline is steady, also not a one but a fringe two/three. The Browns would do very well for themselves drafting a guy like bosa and braxton Miller in the second who absolutey wrecked senior bowl corner backs. Miller that high may be a reach but if he blows up the combine he's going to shoot up the boards. He has already after the practices. No way do I reach on a qb unless they can trade down and really backload picks. I wouldn't touch one in the first.
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Problem there Vag is twofold. First, the Natives are very restless. Yet another shit 3-4 wins isn't going to play in Parma very well. The positive option is should we pass on one of the quarterbacks- and manage to draft in the 10-12 range next year, we've shot ourselves in the foot as far as moving up to take a top signal caller. The word is build through the draft, and a RG III deal isn't in the Browns future.
I'm hesitant on Wentz, but Ben didn't exactly play against teams the level of Alabama every week in college either.
Are we comparing Wentz to Ben? I haven't seen one serious analyst say anything overwhelmingly positive about any of the qbs in this draft. If I were a dyed in the wool Browns fan id want them to pass on a qb this season and build up some support for the eventual qb. You otherwise find yourself throwing a young kid to the wolves because he has shit around him. I like barnyard and really think Duke Johnson can be good. I think Benjamin is a solid number three or a decent two but he's sure as shit isn't a one. Hartline is steady, also not a one but a fringe two/three. The Browns would do very well for themselves drafting a guy like bosa and braxton Miller in the second who absolutey wrecked senior bowl corner backs. Miller that high may be a reach but if he blows up the combine he's going to shoot up the boards. He has already after the practices. No way do I reach on a qb unless they can trade down and really backload picks. I wouldn't touch one in the first.
Are we comparing Wentz to Ben? I haven't seen one serious analyst say anything overwhelmingly positive about any of the qbs in this draft. If I were a dyed in the wool Browns fan id want them to pass on a qb this season and build up some support for the eventual qb. You otherwise find yourself throwing a young kid to the wolves because he has shit around him. I like barnyard and really think Duke Johnson can be good. I think Benjamin is a solid number three or a decent two but he's sure as shit isn't a one. Hartline is steady, also not a one but a fringe two/three. The Browns would do very well for themselves drafting a guy like bosa and braxton Miller in the second who absolutey wrecked senior bowl corner backs. Miller that high may be a reach but if he blows up the combine he's going to shoot up the boards. He has already after the practices. No way do I reach on a qb unless they can trade down and really backload picks. I wouldn't touch one in the first.
Hell, we don't need Andrew Luck good, we just need better than the crap we've seen over the last 15 years.
The question would be- have you watched any tape of the current qb prospects? I'm not high on Lynch- who mastered the art of a short passing game.
I'll tell you one thing about Wentz Vag. He has a Ben arm, and damn near Ben bulk. He'll get questioned the same way Flacco did about level of competition, and if he can adjust. If he had played for an SEC school, he'd be the consensus #1 pick.
Goff is getting comparisons to Matt Ryan, and if that's accurate, I'd send Manziel and a pick to Atlanta right now for Matty Ice.
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I'm in the same boat as TCPO right now, I'm not saying we need to take Goff over Wentz or vice versa, but one of these guys on the roster would make me feel much better about the future.
It reminds me of a few years ago when I wanted Bridgewater. Bortles was a guy that I would've welcomed with open arms, but I viewed him as a bigger project. Being the impatient fan that I am, I endorsed the prospect I viewed as the most pro ready.
At this moment I feel like Goff is the most pro ready and also the safest bet. As I've said before, Goff may not become a top tier guy, but He definitely has a place in the league. There's a lot to like about Wentz and he may end up being the better prospect when the dust settles. All that matters is the Cleveland Browns obtaining a franchise QB.
I know gip read a blog post from late 2013 authored by Bill Polian's mailman stating that there are no 1st round QBs in this class, but to my eye that isn't the case...
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If the Browns are to emulate Carolina's offense, then Hue better get some nasty built into that Oline and be ready to replace Erving with a road grader. The Panthers running game is no joke and one of the best in the league.
You mean that offensive line with two undrafteds, a third round pick, a second round pick and a first round pick they signed in FA (who's pretty garbage).
It just goes to show you, it doesn't always matter where you draft them as long as you coach them up right.
You mean that offensive line with two undrafteds, a third round pick, a second round pick and a first round pick they signed in FA (who's pretty garbage).
It just goes to show you, it doesn't always matter where you draft them as long as you coach them up right.
Don't you go talking about Blind Side like that!
But yeah, living in NC too and with my brother being a huge fan I've really seen this team become the team that's in the Super Bowl. While they do have a pretty damn good OL, it wasn't because they were top 10 dudes. It's been more a steady, consistent commitment to running the football that forged them into a team that now has an insane amount of straight games with 100 yards rushing. It's not a coincidence that a lot of SB winning teams run the ball more than they pass.
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You mean that offensive line with two undrafteds, a third round pick, a second round pick and a first round pick they signed in FA (who's pretty garbage).
It just goes to show you, it doesn't always matter where you draft them as long as you coach them up right.
Don't you go talking about Blind Side like that!
But yeah, living in NC too and with my brother being a huge fan I've really seen this team become the team that's in the Super Bowl. While they do have a pretty damn good OL, it wasn't because they were top 10 dudes. It's been more a steady, consistent commitment to running the football that forged them into a team that now has an insane amount of straight games with 100 yards rushing. It's not a coincidence that a lot of SB winning teams run the ball more than they pass.
Don't you go talking about Blind Side like that!
But yeah, living in NC too and with my brother being a huge fan I've really seen this team become the team that's in the Super Bowl. While they do have a pretty damn good OL, it wasn't because they were top 10 dudes. It's been more a steady, consistent commitment to running the football that forged them into a team that now has an insane amount of straight games with 100 yards rushing. It's not a coincidence that a lot of SB winning teams run the ball more than they pass.
There are some funny stories about Oher going around right now. For instance, Mike Remmers picked his number because of the movie The Blind Side, then when the Panthers acquired Oher he refused to give it up.
Also, some players stopped practice and reportedly gave Oher the speech that Sandra Bullock gives him in the movie about protecting his QB.
I'm a big fan of this Panthers team right now, they're having fun and it's good to see. Hopefully the Browns can get to that point soon.
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Oher kinda sucks now. Norwell is the man though.
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If the Browns are to emulate Carolina's offense, then Hue better get some nasty built into that Oline and be ready to replace Erving with a road grader. The Panthers running game is no joke and one of the best in the league.
You mean that offensive line with two undrafteds, a third round pick, a second round pick and a first round pick they signed in FA (who's pretty garbage).
It just goes to show you, it doesn't always matter where you draft them as long as you coach them up right.
You mean that offensive line with two undrafteds, a third round pick, a second round pick and a first round pick they signed in FA (who's pretty garbage).
It just goes to show you, it doesn't always matter where you draft them as long as you coach them up right.
Also take into consideration the type of running game and the backs they block for.
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Browns get the first qb available so don't f&@k it up. I see no sure thing this year trade down a couple of spots and land Wentz of Goff.
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I'm with bbedward in Camp Goff. After watching a lot of Wentz, he rarely looks off his primary target. RARELY. That's a scary sight. If you watch Goff, he is so much more advanced with going through his progressions and looking off safeties.
I do like Wentz's size though, he will hold up well in the NFL. But I'd rather have Goff, he's so cerebral in the pocket.
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Doesn't hurt that Stewart is running behind that "coached up" line.
I like Stewart but if he was running behind Cleveland line we'd all be yelling for him to gtfo after the season ended. Carolina's O line pushed the Seahawks D around. I didn't see a whole lot of fancy traps or tickling a guys balls out of the gap....they just rolled their sleeves up. And they didn't get intimidated either. Lotta things happened in that game that I've never seen happen to that Hawks team. The Panthers are special. If they keep that team together they could be SB contenders for years.
What is scary is if one of those Bama lineman falls deep into the 1st round, which they probably won't....but if the Panthers can get one of those guys as depth for Allen, cause he's probably got one more year left in him tops....
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Here is the question to ask and answer properly. Do you see a real franchise QB in this draft or not? If you are not absolutely sure (but hope yes) or your answer is "no", then you have to go with BPA regardless of position. If your answer is a resounding "yes-without a doubt" then take the QB. At the moment mine is not a "yes", more like a "maybe and sure hope so". So for now I go with BPA. We'll see after free agency/pro days/combines are done.
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Here is the question to ask and answer properly. Do you see a real franchise QB in this draft or not? If you are not absolutely sure (but hope yes) or your answer is "no", then you have to go with BPA regardless of position. If your answer is a resounding "yes-without a doubt" then take the QB. At the moment mine is not a "yes", more like a "maybe and sure hope so". So for now I go with BPA. We'll see after free agency/pro days/combines are done.
Here is the question to ask and answer properly. Do you see a real franchise QB in this draft or not? If you are not absolutely sure (but hope yes) or your answer is "no", then you have to go with BPA regardless of position. If your answer is a resounding "yes-without a doubt" then take the QB. At the moment mine is not a "yes", more like a "maybe and sure hope so". So for now I go with BPA. We'll see after free agency/pro days/combines are done.
It's the most "yes" we're gonna get, and the most "yes" we've seen since 2012.
The "yes-without a doubt" is a once in a decade thing.
It's the best draft in the history of the world for DL/DE talent, our analytics guys can find one at 32.
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Here is the question to ask and answer properly. Do you see a real franchise QB in this draft or not? If you are not absolutely sure (but hope yes) or your answer is "no", then you have to go with BPA regardless of position. If your answer is a resounding "yes-without a doubt" then take the QB. At the moment mine is not a "yes", more like a "maybe and sure hope so". So for now I go with BPA. We'll see after free agency/pro days/combines are done.
It's the most "yes" we're gonna get, and the most "yes" we've seen since 2012.
The "yes-without a doubt" is a once in a decade thing.
It's the best draft in the history of the world for DL/DE talent, our analytics guys can find one at 32.
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Don't you go talking about Blind Side like that!
But yeah, living in NC too and with my brother being a huge fan I've really seen this team become the team that's in the Super Bowl. While they do have a pretty damn good OL, it wasn't because they were top 10 dudes. It's been more a steady, consistent commitment to running the football that forged them into a team that now has an insane amount of straight games with 100 yards rushing. It's not a coincidence that a lot of SB winning teams run the ball more than they pass.
There are some funny stories about Oher going around right now. For instance, Mike Remmers picked his number because of the movie The Blind Side, then when the Panthers acquired Oher he refused to give it up.
Also, some players stopped practice and reportedly gave Oher the speech that Sandra Bullock gives him in the movie about protecting his QB.
I'm a big fan of this Panthers team right now, they're having fun and it's good to see. Hopefully the Browns can get to that point soon.
There are some funny stories about Oher going around right now. For instance, Mike Remmers picked his number because of the movie The Blind Side, then when the Panthers acquired Oher he refused to give it up.
Also, some players stopped practice and reportedly gave Oher the speech that Sandra Bullock gives him in the movie about protecting his QB.
I'm a big fan of this Panthers team right now, they're having fun and it's good to see. Hopefully the Browns can get to that point soon.
Yeah, TBH I kind of feel bad for the dude. I mean I'm sure he agreed for that movie to be made, but you know he gets ribbed hard for it. I hear you though, Charlotte and really the whole state of NC is a fun football state of being right now. Watching the NFC championship here in GSO was a riot, people dabbing everywhere and spending a trillion dollars on booze and food. It really shows how much a good team can mean to a city and a whole state, and I hope the Browns can turn that corner.
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