Browns Unlikely To Trade Up
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I agree....I would totally hate for the Browns to go to the playoffs. Would utterly "LOATHE" having a good defense with an interior lineman that can get over 20 sacks a year. Would despise watching that guy kill Ben Roethlisberger twice a year. Just hate it all around.......totally agree.
I guarantee no one on the Browns wants that to be the teams ceiling, and that's what you'll get until you get the QB sorted out.
I guarantee no one on the Browns wants that to be the teams ceiling, and that's what you'll get until you get the QB sorted out.
Houston has had high drafts since they took watt and not ended up with shit. They just didn't pick right. Did they pass on a Luck though the year they drafted Watt? If they had I would see your point. Newton went first that year but after the 10th pick (Watt), the only QB that's made something out of the league was Kapernick...he went in the 2nd.
Please believe when I say that if there was a top tier QB coming out of this draft, as much as I like Bosa there's no way I could justify skipping that pick. But in this year? I know for a fact that Bosa or antoher one of those front 7 guys coming out will produce on day one for the team. Our defense "WILL" be better with Joey Bosa on one of the edges. We draft Goff and we have to wait till at least the 2018 season to see if he pans out. He might have to sit two years....so 2019 before we know? C'mon man aren't you sick of this shit? Aren't you sick of watching teams beast our defense around? Running for 150 yds a game? It's shit. I can't stand it anymore.
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we're concentrating too much on Bosa as the only alternative to taking a 1st round shit with a QB. This is supposed to be one of the deepest defensive drafts in years. Does Bosa look like the best D player right now? Yes, but we should talk about more than just him.
we're concentrating too much on Bosa as the only alternative to taking a 1st round shit with a QB. This is supposed to be one of the deepest defensive drafts in years. Does Bosa look like the best D player right now? Yes, but we should talk about more than just him.
Works for me... but how many elite candidates are there on the D-side?
Bosa... Buckner... Ramsey... and Jack???
Smith took himself out of the running with his knee. For the life of me I can't figure out how Jack gets used.
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I guarantee no one on the Browns wants that to be the teams ceiling, and that's what you'll get until you get the QB sorted out.
Houston has had high drafts since they took watt and not ended up with shit. They just didn't pick right. Did they pass on a Luck though the year they drafted Watt? If they had I would see your point. Newton went first that year but after the 10th pick (Watt), the only QB that's made something out of the league was Kapernick...he went in the 2nd.
Please believe when I say that if there was a top tier QB coming out of this draft, as much as I like Bosa there's no way I could justify skipping that pick. But in this year? I know for a fact that Bosa or antoher one of those front 7 guys coming out will produce on day one for the team. Our defense "WILL" be better with Joey Bosa on one of the edges. We draft Goff and we have to wait till at least the 2018 season to see if he pans out. He might have to sit two years....so 2019 before we know? C'mon man aren't you sick of this shit? Aren't you sick of watching teams beast our defense around? Running for 150 yds a game? It's shit. I can't stand it anymore.
Wasn't Dalton the same year as Kasp? Pretty sure Houston would have been satisfied with the red bb gun at qb this year.Houston has had high drafts since they took watt and not ended up with shit. They just didn't pick right. Did they pass on a Luck though the year they drafted Watt? If they had I would see your point. Newton went first that year but after the 10th pick (Watt), the only QB that's made something out of the league was Kapernick...he went in the 2nd.
Please believe when I say that if there was a top tier QB coming out of this draft, as much as I like Bosa there's no way I could justify skipping that pick. But in this year? I know for a fact that Bosa or antoher one of those front 7 guys coming out will produce on day one for the team. Our defense "WILL" be better with Joey Bosa on one of the edges. We draft Goff and we have to wait till at least the 2018 season to see if he pans out. He might have to sit two years....so 2019 before we know? C'mon man aren't you sick of this shit? Aren't you sick of watching teams beast our defense around? Running for 150 yds a game? It's shit. I can't stand it anymore.
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You found the needle in the haystack....congratulations. Lets see what the consensus is
lol... well when you say, "Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa," all it takes to pop your balloon of a statement is one needle...
... and most would consider NFL.com's Draft Tracker rating a very big, fucking needle.
Gip,
I accept your opinion... disagree with it, but accept it. What I reject are demonstrably false claims of objective evidence that your opinion is the correct one. Objective evidence is still years away.
See you then...
lol... well when you say, "Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa," all it takes to pop your balloon of a statement is one needle...
... and most would consider NFL.com's Draft Tracker rating a very big, fucking needle.
Gip,
I accept your opinion... disagree with it, but accept it. What I reject are demonstrably false claims of objective evidence that your opinion is the correct one. Objective evidence is still years away.
See you then...
My opinion: Bosa. You have accepted it......now you must own it.
Again....not talking about which player would fit an area of need.....I am talking the best player regardless.
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we're concentrating too much on Bosa as the only alternative to taking a 1st round shit with a QB. This is supposed to be one of the deepest defensive drafts in years. Does Bosa look like the best D player right now? Yes, but we should talk about more than just him.
we're concentrating too much on Bosa as the only alternative to taking a 1st round shit with a QB. This is supposed to be one of the deepest defensive drafts in years. Does Bosa look like the best D player right now? Yes, but we should talk about more than just him.
Why? Because you don't think he will be there at #2? I understand that as being highly possible.
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I guarantee no one on the Browns wants that to be the teams ceiling, and that's what you'll get until you get the QB sorted out.
Houston has had high drafts since they took watt and not ended up with shit. They just didn't pick right. Did they pass on a Luck though the year they drafted Watt? If they had I would see your point. Newton went first that year but after the 10th pick (Watt), the only QB that's made something out of the league was Kapernick...he went in the 2nd.
Please believe when I say that if there was a top tier QB coming out of this draft, as much as I like Bosa there's no way I could justify skipping that pick. But in this year? I know for a fact that Bosa or antoher one of those front 7 guys coming out will produce on day one for the team. Our defense "WILL" be better with Joey Bosa on one of the edges. We draft Goff and we have to wait till at least the 2018 season to see if he pans out. He might have to sit two years....so 2019 before we know? C'mon man aren't you sick of this shit? Aren't you sick of watching teams beast our defense around? Running for 150 yds a game? It's shit. I can't stand it anymore.
Houston has had high drafts since they took watt and not ended up with shit. They just didn't pick right. Did they pass on a Luck though the year they drafted Watt?
Uh, no....Luck was #1 overall.....but the Browns did pass on Watt and took Richardson instead. Talk about not picking right.
If they had I would see your point. Newton went first that year but after the 10th pick (Watt), the only QB that's made something out of the league was Kapernick...he went in the 2nd.
Please believe when I say that if there was a top tier QB coming out of this draft, as much as I like Bosa there's no way I could justify skipping that pick. But in this year? I know for a fact that Bosa or antoher one of those front 7 guys coming out will produce on day one for the team. Our defense "WILL" be better with Joey Bosa on one of the edges. We draft Goff and we have to wait till at least the 2018 season to see if he pans out. He might have to sit two years....so 2019 before we know? C'mon man aren't you sick of this shit? Aren't you sick of watching teams beast our defense around? Running for 150 yds a game? It's shit. I can't stand it anymore.
Hear hear.
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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt. The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt. The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
Houston will probably draft Hackenburg somewhere and he will be the most successful rookie in this class BECAUSE they built the team first.
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Uh, no....Luck was #1 overall.....but the Browns did pass on Watt and took Richardson instead. Talk about not picking right.
This is incorrect. Watt was 2011 and Richardson was 2012.
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the browns ineptitude has been built on 'sure things'.
show me a sure thing and i'll show you courtney brown.
bosa looks the part but IMO he's as dumb as a rock. looks like a hack xtra in an episode of the sopranos who ends up dumped in the weeds underneath some bridge in jersey. talk about the dumbest penalties at the worse times in a football game = joey bosa.
i get the OSU love but take the QB, it's what this team has been missing since kosar. sorry you don't know what a football team in cleveland can look like with a QB because half you dumb-assed 'niggas' weren't even a fidget in your mum's womb then.
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Yeah it would be a real shitty thing if we aren't picking in the top ten next year.
/sarcasm
You know what I mean. Forever doomed to be outside the playoffs because we don't have the D to help out an O, so we end up winning 6-8 games every year and stay in limbo. That is definitely worst possible outcome.
I've made no secret that I don't think we reach for a QB when SB teams are built on D first.
I've made no secret that I don't think we reach for a QB when SB teams are built on D first.
Hmmm....and I thought you spent the whole season screaming for weapons to compliment the QB....wr wr wr wr wr wr....and that Bama RB whats his name.....
I'm talkin about guys in their prime who already have some kind of NFL experience.
This creature does not exist.....
Gip,
I accept your opinion... disagree with it, but accept it. What I reject are demonstrably false claims of objective evidence that your opinion is the correct one.
Well.....considering he spent a couple weeks defending his claim that Pullard was basically a 2nd 3rd rounder, because he "thought" one person said so.....
If Clowney and Bosa were in the same draft I would take Bosa over him every time.
Me too....every time....
. Would utterly "LOATHE" having a good defense with an interior lineman that can get over 20 sacks a year.
Yet another creature that doesnt exist....sci fi much?
Or analytics might make a "can't miss" case for a single player...
You mean we're gonna move up for Hargreaves?....yes!!!!
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I agree that there is not any choices that would warrant trading up. There are a few worth the number one pick it seems right now, but none that stand out from the other picks on that level. My point is, we can still get a quality pick at number 2 and it is not worth what we would give up for number 1.
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I've made no secret that I don't think we reach for a QB when SB teams are built on D first.
Hmmm....and I thought you spent the whole season screaming for weapons to compliment the QB....wr wr wr wr wr wr....and that Bama RB whats his name.....
I'm talkin about guys in their prime who already have some kind of NFL experience.
This creature does not exist.....
Gip,
I accept your opinion... disagree with it, but accept it. What I reject are demonstrably false claims of objective evidence that your opinion is the correct one.
Well.....considering he spent a couple weeks defending his claim that Pullard was basically a 2nd 3rd rounder, because he "thought" one person said so.....
If Clowney and Bosa were in the same draft I would take Bosa over him every time.
Me too....every time....
. Would utterly "LOATHE" having a good defense with an interior lineman that can get over 20 sacks a year.
Yet another creature that doesnt exist....sci fi much?
Or analytics might make a "can't miss" case for a single player...
You mean we're gonna move up for Hargreaves?....yes!!!!
Hmmm....and I thought you spent the whole season screaming for weapons to compliment the QB....wr wr wr wr wr wr....and that Bama RB whats his name.....
I still want the Bama RB as our 2nd pick. And I wanted a wr when I thought JM was turning the corner as he seemed to be doing most of the season until he went haywire when finally given the starting job. Also most of the season I kept waiting to see the D show back up that I thought we already had. It just never happened like I thought it would for whatever reasons. Some was not retaining good players and some was injuries, but whatever it was, they just never clicked together. Similar to the OL there always seemed to be an inexplicable defensive breakdown 1-2 plays almost every possession
I reassessed after the season and think our best option is D and a power runner who can set up a better ball control offense. I think Bosa is the kind of player who can both stop the run and pressure a QB. Find another decent LB to help out with #3, unless Henry is already gone by pick #2. As to a wr I think I actually have come to believe Josh Gordon has finally turned the corner and gives us back that great wr we lacked for two complete seasons.
I think it is going to be very interesting to see what happens with this new "dream team" of superbrains working with Jackson on our needs in FA and the draft.
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Well....considering it was all the coaches fault that the D sucked and we are supposed to be loaded on that side of the ball, with a bunch of wicked misused talent.....Im expecting a complete turnaround this year...
Draft Offense offense offense
Edit....Im on board with your JG thoughts....
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we're concentrating too much on Bosa as the only alternative to taking a 1st round shit with a QB. This is supposed to be one of the deepest defensive drafts in years. Does Bosa look like the best D player right now? Yes, but we should talk about more than just him.
Why? Because you don't think he will be there at #2? I understand that as being highly possible.
Why? Because you don't think he will be there at #2? I understand that as being highly possible.
it's possible. And as much as I like Bosa i'm not sure i'd be willing to trade with TN just to make sure we could get him. I could see TN playing some other team in the top 5-6 to trade with so they can take Bosa and TN takes Tunsil who they probably want alll along. So if somebody does bite and jumps to 1 to take Bosa, fine, I still want a LB/DE. Be fine with Buckner.
Still remains to be seen what Horton is going to do with our defense. I'll bet they keep that quiet till after the draft.
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Uh, no....Luck was #1 overall.....but the Browns did pass on Watt and took Richardson instead. Talk about not picking right.
This is incorrect. Watt was 2011 and Richardson was 2012.
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Well.....considering he spent a couple weeks defending his claim that Pullard was basically a 2nd 3rd rounder, because he "thought" one person said so.....
Many draft services had Pullard in their Top 100 best players available. And that may yet prove to be the case. The fucking Browns should have kept Pullard and put him on the 53 man roster instead of fucking around with the likes of Jayson Dimanche. I still think Pullard will be a good player in this league....but now he is going to do that elsewhere.....and to me that is another Ray Farmer fuckup.
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Well.....considering he spent a couple weeks defending his claim that Pullard was basically a 2nd 3rd rounder, because he "thought" one person said so.....
Many draft services had Pullard in their Top 100 best players available. And that may yet prove to be the case. The fucking Browns should have kept Pullard and put him on the 53 man roster instead of fucking around with the likes of Jayson Dimanche. I still think Pullard will be a good player in this league....but now he is going to do that elsewhere.....and to me that is another Ray Farmer fuckup.
Many draft services had Pullard in their Top 100 best players available....... I still think Pullard will be a good player in this league and to me that is another Ray Farmer fuckup.
Im not going down that road again.....point made....
Though I do think Farmer blew it by leaving him exposed.....folIowing the preseason and compared to some of the players we kept, I felt he had probably earned a roster spot...
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Agree with you both. He ended up a starter after an injury to 1st teamer. I thought at the time it was a huge mistake to leave him exposed because I thought he was one of Farmer's better picks. Farmer should have believed in his own pick.
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Agree with you both. He ended up a starter after an injury to 1st teamer. I thought at the time it was a huge mistake to leave him exposed because I thought he was one of Farmer's better picks. Farmer should have believed in his own pick.
Farmer should have believed in his own pick.
Farmer spent all his faith on Bowe...
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I've made no secret that I don't think we reach for a QB when SB teams are built on D first.
Hmmm....and I thought you spent the whole season screaming for weapons to compliment the QB....wr wr wr wr wr wr....and that Bama RB whats his name.....
I'm talkin about guys in their prime who already have some kind of NFL experience.
This creature does not exist.....
Gip,
I accept your opinion... disagree with it, but accept it. What I reject are demonstrably false claims of objective evidence that your opinion is the correct one.
Well.....considering he spent a couple weeks defending his claim that Pullard was basically a 2nd 3rd rounder, because he "thought" one person said so.....
If Clowney and Bosa were in the same draft I would take Bosa over him every time.
Me too....every time....
. Would utterly "LOATHE" having a good defense with an interior lineman that can get over 20 sacks a year.
Yet another creature that doesnt exist....sci fi much?
Or analytics might make a "can't miss" case for a single player...
You mean we're gonna move up for Hargreaves?....yes!!!!
Hmmm....and I thought you spent the whole season screaming for weapons to compliment the QB....wr wr wr wr wr wr....and that Bama RB whats his name.....
This creature does not exist.....
Well.....considering he spent a couple weeks defending his claim that Pullard was basically a 2nd 3rd rounder, because he "thought" one person said so.....
Me too....every time....
Yet another creature that doesnt exist....sci fi much?
You mean we're gonna move up for Hargreaves?....yes!!!!
Having the benefit of hindsight, I'd agree and say Bosa every time. However, as I remember back to what Clowney could do, it would be so hard as an NFL exec NOT to take him. His measurables were just off the chart. His speed and power were otherworldly, and the guy was so fluid of an athlete. Clowney was devastated by injuries, and that's not his fault. But the warning signs were there. His last year in college wasn't good by any stretch of the imagination. He was rumored to have played safely, taken plays off, and his conditioning was suspect. He was entitled, and his work ethic was questioned. When it comes to Bosa, there is actually a little bit of similarity. His last year in college was not as good as people hoped, and his production dropped off. But I don't think I've ever heard anyone question Bosa's work ethic, and that's huge for me. If a QB doesn't grade out to warrant the second pick, I'd be thrilled to have Bosa in a Browns' uniform.
I don't want Hargraves though, not at all. If we decide that we need to upgrade the secondary with the first round pick, I want Ramsey, and it's not close. Ramsey could slide to safety if need be, and his speed and size make him a superior prospect. He's also stellar against the run, which is something I don't believe Hargraves can say (I could be wrong). Ramsey might not be the "ball-hawking" DB that teams covet, but trust me when I say he's the real deal. If he goes to the right defense, you could be seeing the next Troy Palumalu type player. I'm not saying Ramsey is going to the hall of fame, what I mean is that Ramsey could play in a similar style to Troy. He can blitz, cover deep, stop the run, and disrupt so many things.
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