Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I think Manziel could be a good NFL quarterback if he dedicated himself to it. I am just speaking as a fan and not someone who has knowledge of NFL football like some who post here and who watch for things in a quarterback such as footwork, mechanics, going through progressions, reading defenses, anticipating throws etc....
I just saw some things this year in him that made me hopeful. He is a play maker and can drive defenses crazy with his ability to scramble out of the pocket. He seems to have a decent arm. I think if he ever gets his head on straight he could do it but time is running out for him and so far he has not shown the maturity he needs. He also obviously has a substance abuse problem.
He has let the Browns down too many times to keep him IMO but I wish him the best and hope he can get his life together.
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Be honest my friend, you saw all you needed to see well before the draft.
WSS
I would be honest and say I saw all I needed before he was drafted.....and a LOT of other people did too.....and, now, their concerns have proven to be true in oh so many ways.....
its a fact I didn't want Johnny Football. ........."you draft Manziel, you bring the circus to town along with him?"... Damned if I wasn't right about that one.
Oh, I was a wishin' and a hopein' Johnny could get his act together.
I'm no less upset about Manziel busting as I am about Weeden- or Gilbert.
Exactly.....
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JM's failure is totally understandable to me given my experiences through a 30+ year counseling career and the effects of addiction on life choices for those in its clutches.
It's Gilbert who still perplexes me the most. There is so little information out there on what's going on in his head, that without first hand knowledge it is impossible to form an educated opinion. There seems to be a disconnect in his assessment of his skills and what we actually saw. But then again, under Pettine, we rarely got to see any consistent use by the team. So who knows.
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Gilbert puts me in mind of a story I read where a rookie NFL player who had great talent was constantly late for practice and one of the players on the team who was a leader came to him to speak to him about it. The old veteran said in 10 years he had never missed a practice or showed up late for any meetings. He thought that might influence the rookie to work harder.
The rookie instead told him to pull up a chair and have a seat because "if anyone needed to take a break it was him".
Some just march to the beat of a different drummer.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/dwatkinsNBC5/status/693461738595831808
I know you guys are just like "oh he drinks why do you have to post everything who cares"
But apparently fort worth police called for another GF dispute with him and his GF. I think that's more newsworthy than being seen drinking anyway
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Be honest my friend, you saw all you needed to see well before the draft.
WSS
Bro Steve- its a fact I didn't want Johnny Football. Remember I said, "you draft Manziel, you bring the circus to town along with him?" Damned if I wasn't right about that one. But we did draft him Steve. Seems the circus has headed to Texas, and probably never to return.
Oh, I was a wishin' and a hopein' Johnny could get his act together. Nothing like yet another first round flop. The latest vids of him partying in assorted Dallas bars with local sports celebs tells me- it's over, Grover.
I'm no less upset about Manziel busting as I am about Weeden- or Gilbert.
In a matter of months we will have a second opinion on Gilbert...
Remember I said, "you draft Manziel, you bring the circus to town along with him?" Damned if I wasn't right about that one.
Yes, you did... but we needed a Ringmaster, not a soothsayer...
Let's blame h...
I think Manziel could be a good NFL quarterback if he dedicated himself to it.
I agree... part of the problem may be that JM knows this as well.
Once the top of the mountain has come easily with minimal work, it can be very hard to convince yourself to bust ass to merely be "good".
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Fort Worth Police investigating potential domestic dispute between Johnny Manziel & his girlfriend, police confirm. No arrests.
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In a matter of months we will have a second opinion on Gilbert...
Remember I said, "you draft Manziel, you bring the circus to town along with him?" Damned if I wasn't right about that one.
Yes, you did... but we needed a Ringmaster, not a soothsayer...
Let's blame h...
I think Manziel could be a good NFL quarterback if he dedicated himself to it.
I agree... part of the problem may be that JM knows this as well.
Once the top of the mountain has come easily with minimal work, it can be very hard to convince yourself to bust ass to merely be "good".
In a matter of months we will have a second opinion on Gilbert...
Yes, you did... but we needed a Ringmaster, not a soothsayer...
Let's blame h...
I agree... part of the problem may be that JM knows this as well.
Once the top of the mountain has come easily with minimal work, it can be very hard to convince yourself to bust ass to merely be "good".
I agree with that wholeheartedly.
I know guitar players who almost never practice and are just naturally great, but lazy and never seem to get ahead. Others who practice like a bitch everyday and just don't have the talent to get past mediocre.
WSS
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Well lets go for page 33.
I read this from Terry Talkin' today: "According to NFL rules, Manziel can't be waived until Feb. 8. He can't be traded until March 9."
I didn't realize they could do those two things that far before the draft. I'll have to find that post on NFL dates someone posted.
Regardless, those two dates should prove very interesting.
PS-as to the Police report, I read they will release a full report later today some time.
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Well lets go for page 33.
I read this from Terry Talkin' today: "According to NFL rules, Manziel can't be waived until Feb. 8. He can't be traded until March 9."
I didn't realize they could do those two things that far before the draft. I'll have to find that post on NFL dates someone posted.
Regardless, those two dates should prove very interesting.
PS-as to the Police report, I read they will release a full report later today some time.
Well lets go for page 33.
I read this from Terry Talkin' today: "According to NFL rules, Manziel can't be waived until Feb. 8. He can't be traded until March 9."
I didn't realize they could do those two things that far before the draft. I'll have to find that post on NFL dates someone posted.
Regardless, those two dates should prove very interesting.
PS-as to the Police report, I read they will release a full report later today some time.
They can negotiate trades, but can't actually make them until the draft if I'm not mistaken.
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Ahaaha,,,,,Johnny never lets us down......
Tour, we should hit that 50 mark by tomorrow....
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
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Well lets go for page 33.
I read this from Terry Talkin' today: "According to NFL rules, Manziel can't be waived until Feb. 8. He can't be traded until March 9."
I didn't realize they could do those two things that far before the draft. I'll have to find that post on NFL dates someone posted.
Regardless, those two dates should prove very interesting.
PS-as to the Police report, I read they will release a full report later today some time.
They can negotiate trades, but can't actually make them until the draft if I'm not mistaken.
They can negotiate trades, but can't actually make them until the draft if I'm not mistaken.
I found this:
March 12-15 - "Legal tampering" period
March 15 - 4pm ET - New league year begins; Free agency and trades begin
And not far from this either:
April 4: Offseason workout period starts for teams with new head coaches.
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See you in the Mega thread...
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Well lets go for page 33.
I read this from Terry Talkin' today: "According to NFL rules, Manziel can't be waived until Feb. 8. He can't be traded until March 9."
I didn't realize they could do those two things that far before the draft. I'll have to find that post on NFL dates someone posted.
Regardless, those two dates should prove very interesting.
PS-as to the Police report, I read they will release a full report later today some time.
PS-as to the Police report, I read they will release a full report later today some time.
The little fucker does give the offseason a spark for those of us not into the pre draft stuff, I'll give hime that.
I think I will read this upcoming report with a nice cabernet.
Zombo
--The shitshow knows no offseason
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And still how many days since there's been any TMZ worthy photographs?
So far the haters have had a couple pretty weak shots to shit their pants over.
Reportedly purchasing a bottle of expensive tequila and sitting in a sports bar watching a football game.
And he was late for treatment for a concussion that some of you guys suggest he never had.
I'm not betting any money that he'll be back next year but at least keep a cool stool fellows.
WSS
And still how many days since there's been any TMZ worthy photographs?
Jinx much?
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And still how many days since there's been any TMZ worthy photographs?
Jinx much?
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Do the browns get any compensation for this asshole?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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