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  • Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.

    Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.

    Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.

    We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?

    Tour2maT hoortaH 2 Replies
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  • It should be Interesting to point out that lynch and andy dalton had the same college coach. Just more food for thought

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  • just can't shake the fact that lynch looked terrible in his last big outing on a national stage.

    i mean fucking terrible.

  • To his credit his receivers had a TON of drops

    And the game before that he threw 7 TD in one half

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  • C CaineDeSoulis

    Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.

    Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.

    Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.

    We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?

    @cainedesoulis said:

    Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.

    Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.

    Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.

    We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?

    Not sure about "3 guys", but if don't see any as an upgrade then I don't know why we are posting... 😉

    Honestly I don't see where I assumed anything. Just stated that you have to assess where a QB prospect is regardless of how he got there. That sets his floor.

    Coaching vs. talent/ability split is an interesting way to look at that floor and I think it helps set estimate a ceiling. The more the floor is due to coaching, then the closer the ceiling will be to the floor.

    Agree with your point that the more deeply ingrained bad habits are, the more difficult it is to unlearn them. That would be true whether the bad habits stem from bad coaching or a lack of good coaching.

    The above said, I don't see deep INT's as necessarily being a bad habit. Could be a product of game circumstance and play calls.

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  • top 3 being Goff/Lynch/Wentz.

    Your assumption was based on the prospects having different floors as a static measurement.

    for example if Tony Romo. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Cam Newton are all draft eligible and you have the number 1 pick. assuming they are ranked Brady #1, Peyton #2, Romo #3 and Newton #4 as top QBs available. as a coach who wants a vertical passing game with designed rollouts and occasional read options. you may take Newton over the other three because he fits YOUR offense better aswell as the personal already on the team.

    If you judge your QB on his ability to perform a 7 step drop and then rollout you end up with a case of "diminishing skills".

    Point is we really don't know what our team is looking for right now but we can infer from our coaches at past points in there careers. Jackson had Jason Campbell/Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton.
    Dalton, the most recent came from the EXACT same system Lynch is from. He already has an idea on how to coach him obviously the difference here is 5" and 30 lbs with more athleticism.

    Truth be told if Lynch closed his college career with a good game we would have alot more hype for him

  • i'm in.

  • C CaineDeSoulis

    Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.

    Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.

    Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.

    We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?

    VesnaKociper said:

    I have had the pleasure of seeing the kid play. I would love to see him as a Brown, because it would turn this shit hole of a really fucking weird football team into a Browns town. Plus, I think the kid can play.

    Lynch will be looked at as closely as the other two Tom.

    @cainedesoulis said:

    Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.

    We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?

    Lynch hasn't thrown a deep int- because go look at his passing tree. He doesn't throw deep much. The vast majority of his passes are dinks and dunks.

    As far as being better than Manziel- So is Connor Shaw.

  • i do like connor >.<

  • http://insidethepylon.com/pylon-u/teams-ncaa/division-ia-fbs/american-athletic/memphis-tigers/2015/12/28/paxton-lynch-on-three-ball-placement/

    This is a nice write up

  • most highlight plays are deep to intermediate. And also lets not forget the nfl is dominated by quick short passing

  • C CaineDeSoulis

    I see it as Carson=Lynch as far as prospect type and style. Goff doesn't look to be a fit for our team unfortunately. So either one though i prefer lynch (he did throw 7 td in one half afterall). Let me be clear that i see each of these prospects as having a good career

    @cainedesoulis said:

    I see it as Carson=Lynch as far as prospect type and style. Goff doesn't look to be a fit for our team unfortunately. So either one though i prefer lynch (he did throw 7 td in one half afterall). Let me be clear that i see each of these prospects as having a good career

    Why is that? He's a closer comparison to Dalton than either Lynch or Wentz.

  • I dont see it. I've watched alot of the games from the 3 top doods and goff really compares to a less mobile/less accurate rodgers. Best comparison i think would be Kelly Holcomb

  • Point taken on taking "your system" into account. Certainly if the evals are close that'd be a tie-breaker, but the best candidates can adapt to systems as well.

    I don't buy the athleticism argument for Wentz, let alone Lynch. I just think they run more and more is not necessarily better... or in this case more athletic. Goff is simply less prone to bailing on a pocket in no small part due to his mesmerizing ability to slide within one.

    If they run 40's at the Combine I'd look for Wentz in the 4.7's, Goff 4.8's and Lynch >4.9. If they run 3-cone and/or shuttles I think it'll be close between Wentz and Goff with Lynch well off their pace.

    Holcomb? Ummm... no. We simply have to agree to disagree, but it's been interesting.

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  • That's true alot actually relies on the combine and pro days and as those get finished we will have a more accurate picture of our draft prospects

  • Too much weight is put on the combine and pro days. Esp if your a QB. A tenth of a second faster or how good you throw to uncovered receivers should not decide anything. Lets pick a guy based upon how he's played in games. Usually those are the guys who end playing well in the NFL too.

  • Certainly too much can be placed upon Combine (and Pro days), but I find the Combine especially useful for two things...

    1. Confirming what I think I see in tape... or not. If not, then I can look again.

    2. Sifting through the lesser known players for prospects whose tape I might otherwise never get around to seeing.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Toward the end of the regular college season Lynch was considered the cream of the crop.....so certainly he should be in the conversation with the other QBs.....if QB were to be the way the Browns go.

    @the-gipper said:

    Toward the end of the regular college season Lynch was considered the cream of the crop.....so certainly he should be in the conversation with the other QBs.....if QB were to be the way the Browns go.

    That was more in the middle of the season.

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  • Well the early part of the season hr was a relatively unknown prospect outside of nfl scouting circles. So good start good middle and discouting a record tying 7 TD in one half game he had a poorer end. Bare in mind stats wise he did 3700 yds 66% comp and a TD:INT ratio of 28/4 in 2015. His biggest problem is the offens he played in is not as applicable to the NFL. He definitely deserves to be in the same conversation as goff and wentz at 2.

  • I've been off Lynch for a long time, but he does in a purely draft stock way remind me of Teddy B. The dude was fairly widely considered the top QB prospect until one admittedly terrible game against Auburn. I think he slides for sure, how far is another question. I could see a lot of the above average teams with aging QB's taking a shot on him.

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